This question comes in two parts:

To the gentlemen:

When you read about a lady who announces that she is coming out of retirement (and she is still proudly using the name by which she previously and successfully entertained), what are the scenarios that flow through your mind regarding her rationale and reasoning for returning to the hobbying community?  

And to the ladies:

What is typically your reason for staging your comeback under your former name? And have you found that you were able to rest on the laurels of your previously good reputation and name, or have you found that you need to aggressively market yourselves online with a web presence and other forms of advertising?

Just curious for everyone's input, and I sincerely thank you in advance for your response.  

Hope y'all had a great week and are looking forward to the weekend. And I will most certainly be looking forward to your response!

xoxo,

AR

P.S.  Although I am not new to this site, I am new under my username, and I cannot field any PM's via TER. If you want to reach me directly, I can be reached at arop at gmx dot com.

Happy Weekend!  

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...one way or another.  Usually I assume that they left the biz to "go straight" (=marriage or long-term commitment to a man).  When the marriage busts up, generally the lady falls back to her pre-existing skill set, and comes "out of retirement".

If something like this is the reason, then hey, why not resume business by trotting the old stage name again?  It's probably a pretty good assumption that at least some of her old clientele is still around.

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...I mean Yeah, I know some of the women I see regularly are lesbian/bi.

Most of 'em though are more straight/bi--capable of fooling around with another woman for the purpose of entertaining a client, or even just for fun when the mood strikes, but still looking for (or maybe already found) the "right guy".

Even if you're right though:  Doesn't change my supposition--a provider could be leaving to be "married" (or even just plain old married, with no quotes, in some states, I guess) and then return when the relationship falls apart.

life. The only reason they see guys in their professional life is that it is highly unlikely they would attain a large enough customer base of women hobbyists willing to pay for their services.

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eventually spread like wild fire via back channel on who you really are and to avoid. If you had old reviews on TER and unlisted yourself, it will only be a matter of time before TER merges your old profile including names and reviews together with your new profile, name and reviews.

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like baby, medical issues, contract sugar daddy, family issues, school/career related and of course relationships.

The post 911 New World Corporate Order abhors a job history vacuum. As little as 15 years ago one could much more easily change career paths and/or start anew. Today one is looked upon with suspicion or made a pariah if there is a break in one’s job history longer than 6 months. This contemporary prejudice is also daunting for those who were independent contractors or self-employed in otherwise legal and commonly accepted vocations.        
 

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Life changes.  I had a child, and thought I was done providing.  After time went by I got bored at home, so I decided to come back & play.  We all have our own reasons.  

No need to change my name.  I feel I am already a well established provider, so why start all over unless I was changing my menu options.

It is one thing if the girl says flat out, "I am trying to do something, and if it does not work out, I will be back." It is another thing to go into a long winded dissertation about how your time has come, you just can't do it anymore, want more for your life" and so on, just to come back in six months. That let the entire world know you never wanted to be here, but were too dumb to do anything else. Or, you fell in love with some moron thinking he would take care of you, then you woke up.  

I've retired once, and it's a done deal. Sorry, but come hell or high water, LR is dead. I am at the point in my life where I would rather work three jobs, than advertise my ass again. I might not have a problem entertaining 1 or 2 long time friends UTR, but that's a big 'might.' I don't believe in doing this when my child lives with me full time, and come June, it's over with. I made a lot of sacrifices not to expose my child to any of this, and that resulted in some hard decisions concerning where she would live and go to school. I have never, and will never, be the provider who sends my kid off to school so I can turn tricks while she is gone.. sorry, not happening. No offense to those who have to operate that way, but that's just not me. I refused to work in the same city my child is/was in.

Greed, easy money, and desperation are the primary reasons many can't stay out of this business. RARELY is it because a 30 yr. old just loves fkin guys twice her age, but those women also exist. Many who boast about not having to be here, can't even get a 2 hour minimum lol. The contradictions are just comical. If one does not have to be here, they should be able to charge just about any rate they want, or at the very least 500 bucks an hour lol. If you NEED to make x amount of money per week from this business to survive, even if you have another job, then you NEED to fkin be here lol.  

 

 

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Posts like yours here, full of total honest sentiments, which I really like and appreciate, generate SO many questions for me. I , personally, have a fascination with motivation and the 'real life' of women in your shoes.  

For me , my perception is, and I am sure I am wrong, is that the upper echelon of providers in bigger metro areas, are making so much bank they are like athletes. They don't know what to do with the windfall and they don't save while the gettin's good. I have this notion, again probably way wrong but who knows except those in the biz, that this small population is clearing like $400K annually tax free. Probably more. I know that's taboo and not looking for confirmation....but your last paragraph is the kind that makes me think I am so effing wrong it's a joke. Or I'm so right about not being able to save that I'm spot on. Wouldn't take many years making that sort of money to quit and not look back when you get sick of f'king 60+ yr olds though.  

I don't know., but that was an interesting peak into your world

As little as you provided in the end, if you chose to continue, couldn't you just tell your daughter that you're going on a date when you meet with a client? You're not married, I don't see why she would be suspicious.

You're seriously misinformed about the money providers make. If they were really making that kind of money, they would retire in 5 years. The fact is, after 2009 the bottom dropped out in just about every industry including this one. There was a time when 10-12k a month for a 300 an hour provider was the norm, but she was also a high volume one. Now, that same provider might only make half that a month, and she is still having to see 5 guys a week... no thanks.

If you come into this business with your sole source of income as your burden, you're pretty much fked when something happens. Anyone even making 80k a year, should be able to put aside roughly 30 of that in the south... up north, double that income and double the savings, but you get the point. People do not save like they should, they rent vs. owning, lease cars they can't afford to buy cash, and spend countless dollars on dumb shit.  I know a few providers living in rent control areas and Section 8, who go out and buy Loubis lol. They will never own shit, but they have nice shoes. Makes so much sense, and reaffirms why our debt is so high today overall. Other than student loans, medcal bills, and a mortgage, all of that other debt is just stupid.  

This business attracts so many women with no job skills, no education, and single mothers who are stuck raising children because their husband/boyfriend left, or lost his job, it is hard to believe that there are some normal ones out there who just want a few extra bucks.  Though there are several providers who had a degree and worked before coming here, they are not the norm of the women who find this life most appealing. If you did not have a set exit plan coming into this thing, it's very unlikely you will suddenly develop one once you see that fast cash. Some act like it will be that way forever, and that is simply not the case. I see far too many "I am slow" threads to believe all these women have another income. If they did, being slow would not matter.  

If you don't have at least a trade, tech degree, or 5 years work experience before coming here, I would never suggest anyone enter into the business, because the percentage of those who actually gain MORE experience for a resume whilst doing this, is very LOW. I had 4 things on my resume before becoming a provider... pharm rep, paralegal, admin. asst. and a Bachelor's of Science. After becoming a provider I have added S&OP consultant, a Master's Degree (not saying the field lol) and 4 more years of work experience, even though it was only part time. My plan was roughly 4-6 years of providing, and I stayed for about 5.5.  

Plans and goals are not reached by ease... they are reached by decision.

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Even as low volume as I was, my child was in another city every time I had a date. I would set aside 2 days a week, and she would stay with her father or grandparents for that time. Might seem a bit extreme, but that was the choice I made. I chose to keep my child away from my illegal business, and not just down the damn street.  

Oh and FYI, I have also never brought a real date in front of my child... I have not 'dated' since 2008 when I became a provider lol. Yet another sacrifice made for fast money.

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Why would it be an automatic DNS? The OP didn't imply that she left for anything less than honorable. If she left for personal reasons and decided to come back for equally personal reasons, you would hold that against her?

Remember that I qualified my assumption by saying the 'upper echelon'..not the average girl.

I am talking about the providers who are very attractive that draw tons of attention and who do minimum two hour appointments at $1,000 per. $400k is 400 dates. That's 10 in a week for 40 weeks. Not assuming anyone works 50 weeks a year. 10 a week for a hot ticket girl seems reasonable to me. 5-6 on the weekends and 4-5 the other days. I actually hope I'm wrong!! I am mentally taking that 'type' off my list for fear I'm number 3 or 4 of the day..and I'm not down with that.

If you say I'm wrong, I will take your word for it

Your list of reasons are all viable.  And there are plenty more.  

But why do you believe"most are lesbians"?  You are quite misguided about that.

And why in your post below do you think the reasons you mention here should somehow disqualify a lady if she returnable know quite a bit less than you think you do about the ladies here.

My rate was 1000 when I retired and I barely saw 3 guys a month at that rate... so yes, your numbers are way off. Even guys in NYC bitch about having to pay over 500 and they have thousands of providers to choose from. If you're in an area where you have to compete with super models all charging less than you, sorry, but you have no choice to be low volume.  It's not like it used to be

10 guys a week at 1k a piece? You're dreaming lol. I do not know ONE provider at that rate seeing that many guys... if that were true, she would be smart enough to double her rate and see half that amount, so not buying that at all. There is no set number of clients per week in this business for most... it is not that predicable. You can go 2 weeks without an appt. at that high of a rate, then you might get an overnight and you're done for the month. Women who charge that much do not want to work lol. Trust me on that.  

 
I know women charging 400 who struggle to even see one guy a day, 5 days a week. Most providers in the 8-1200 range, are only doing this on the side or they would starve to death in most areas at that rate. I've seen the proof.

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Thank goodness that the remainder of positive posts which awaited me on Friday evening after reading the overly-pessimistic responses that particular morning before going off to my civilian job, completely buoyed my weekend.  

I was beginning to think that everyone who read the TER boards topped their morning bowl of Wheaties with a cynical cup of piss and vinegar!

Thanks to Hooktard Gold, Josephine Belle, and Madame Patricia for having my back.  

Rest assured I'll always have yours. Thank you SO MUCH for sticking up for me, ladies!!

Now, allow me roll up my sleeves, and take a moment or two put a few people in their justifiable place! *grins*

AR

Dear GaviaImmer,

Although I am NOT a lesbian (as much as your feeble, narrow mind might be so inclined to think and believe -- and I sincerely hesitate to stoop to your level with this), I would fast become one due to your own disparaging and abusive disposition about women in general.

If it's any consolation, I would become the lesbian you perceive us ladies to be due to the sage and erudite comments elicited by HooktardGold, Josephine Bella, and Madame Patricia. They made an awful lot more intellectual sense from what they shared than any of the gibberish that you espoused.

So sorry that you may have previously experienced a lady in the hobby who is a lesbian and who may have possibly rejected you, but we ladies are not all to be gauged the same way as your past experience(s).  

Making my naughty and nice list.... and Hooktard, Josephine, and Madame Patricia are definitely on my nice list!! (Guess who isn't?!)

Happy Weekend to all....

AR

udos to you, Madame Patricia!

I'm sincerely hoping that, once I announce my identity, everyone will remember me for the exemplary reputation and high esteem that I formerly held.

Like you, I'm just bored, and I want to play again... especially since I'm just entering my sexual prime! *grins*

With all my best wishes to you and your child... and thank you so much for sticking up for me

did not retire due to DNS, nor for any other disparaging, negative, or acrimonious reasons to which you point an accusatory finger.  

Rather, I faded out of existence from the hobbying limelight because I was so very fortunate and blessed to become exclusive with a very special gentleman who afforded to keep me to himself for quite some time.  

Sadly, he passed away several years ago... and here I am now.... and with no explanation owed to you for my return to the hobby. I was simply asking for advice; I certainly did not expect a rude and completely off-base inquisition to be insurrected by you.

And that's all I have to say about that, as Forrest Gump would quip.  

So no, GaviaImmer, there's no wild fire to be spread. No bad reviews to be shared. No back channels to investigate.  

Sometimes you just have to take a step back and realize that there are, indeed, truly good, decent, and honest people who traverse your life at various points.

Just open your eyes, GaviaImmer, and stop being so cynical to the point that you can't see, observe, and allow the good into your life that you deserve.  

With my most sincere wishes to you for a great weekend..

Hmm. Then I guess a previous thread I saw was just alot of boasting etc. One woman was claiming 5-6 a day, and as high as 10 in a day!! (when "touring", but yikes). After I read that...I guess I fell for it. Duh.

Your description seems far more reasonable.  

"like it used to be.." What did it used to be like?

Glad my comments make you chuckle a bit, at least ha ha. That's what I am here for.

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