Here's what may be the problem. How many "review gods" does TER employ? How many of them is it reasonable for members to expect they employ? Just look at the totals at the top of the page. There are 750K reviews in the TER base with hundreds of new ones posted every day. I suspect it just isn't possible (or reasonable to expect) TER provide the kind of review management people would like. Given that, everybody should know the weaknesses of the review process and make their own allowances. Anyone who spends any time on this board should know a lot about what the weaknesses are. Despite that, I find the reviews valuable.
A thread below complains of how providers profiles are fraudulent in so many ways. All I can say to that is do your homework and do it well. Chances of you having to deal with that in your face decrease considerably.
A' wrote (in what was considered a hijacking), that there are some providers who's TER profile remains in the system even though she is deceased. In fact she submitted some were victims of homicides and they still have a profile.
If I am understanding that correctly that is really insensitive but also likely could be explained that TER cannot be all knowing all seeing regarding the existence and comings and goings of all providers. However, for God's sake it would seem that someone would put in a problem report on something that serious and ask for the profile to be taken down for prosperity sake if nothing else.
Perhaps the issue is both the original complaint below and that of others is that when submitting problem reports or corrections to profiles that it is routine to have admin ignore those, which means you lost your 2 days membership credits as well. lol Again, if that is the case A's post would not necessarily be a form of hijacking. In any event, I doubt it justified a public flogging. Jizz sayin.
Have others seen deceased providers profiles remain in the database?
Here's what may be the problem. How many "review gods" does TER employ? How many of them is it reasonable for members to expect they employ? Just look at the totals at the top of the page. There are 750K reviews in the TER base with hundreds of new ones posted every day. I suspect it just isn't possible (or reasonable to expect) TER provide the kind of review management people would like. Given that, everybody should know the weaknesses of the review process and make their own allowances. Anyone who spends any time on this board should know a lot about what the weaknesses are. Despite that, I find the reviews valuable.
and they are getting ad revenue, it is fair and reasonable for members to expect them to have the manpower to provide what they say they offer. While you can get a free membership for providing reviews and helping to correct errors, those are the products TER sells, the reason you are here, and gives them a greater benefit than 15 free days costs.
Should deceased providers be removed? Absolutely! But how you provide proof? A pissed off trick or a conniving bitch could submit a report to get even or just screw with an honest provider, so I do see the problem with just delisting based on a problem report. However, if someone is able to provide verifiable evidence that a lady has passed, then it behooves TER to take the appropriate steps.
If a lady decide to pause her reviews and go UTR, her wishes should be respected. She might need to keep herself out of the public eye for personal reasons.
If a lady has a stalker, an enraged SO or was on the brink of being outed to her family - changed her name & profile - her old name/reviews should not resurface. That can put her in danger!
If a lady is having court battles over her children and "retires" (but in reality just continue to work under another name), her previous "life" should be kept in limbo like she requested TER to do it for her. She can lose her kids!
I am not sure who on TER Admin had the brilliant idea of bringing their names/reviews back alive when it should be kept out of the boards.
And, I am pretty sure, after a lady is deceased, her friends did notify TER and asked the reviews/profile to be deleted in respect to the family or kids.
I know because I was one of the ladies who contacted TER after my friend died. I asked them to remove her reviews asap, delete her profile so her daughters could not find it while looking into their moms computer.
Her name is not listed on this new feature (I hope they do not bring her back) but I can relate with A' feelings, because we all deserve respect after we die.
I also asked TER and other boards to remove reviews from male members, once I found out they passed.
Doesn't matter if is a lady or a male member - we all have our own reasons why we need to remove or pause profiles, so TER should respect that and keep out of public viewing.
Lady "retires", claiming whatever, but really because of said shitty reviews.
Reviews are pulled once she is delisted.
Lady starts up new profile without shitty reviews, and TER customers don't know about the shitty review history.
Lather, rinse and repeat.
If you don't think this wouldn't happen, you're sadly naïve.
This is why TER has had a "you're either in or you're out" policy. Either you consent to being in the review database, and your review history follows you NO MATTER WHAT, even if you change a working name, or you're delisted: you don't exist to TER. You don't get mentioned here, you can't use the resource.
Obviously there's a problem with being dead, but if this wasn't a firm rule, every scammer in the universe would be trying to abuse being delisted and "retiring". (They already do, but that rule makes it much harder- if someone catches a lady trying to sneak on, boom, problem report.)
Girls scam the system any way they can, and indeed scamming and lying is a way of life for providers in general. I don't think "the dead" are rolling over in their graves because an old review surfaces when they were literally sucking the flesh.
A provider dies, there is a clear public record of her death. For all the reasons mentioned by others...children, parents, etc. etc. You mean to tell me this can some how be scammed. That other providers, and I am sure multiple providers request when any individual dies, are all working together to scam the system on behalf of a dead women? Not to mention there is a good chance the provider who died may have a long record of great reviews.
These women deserve respect in life and in death. No service is being provided to members of this board by having dead provider records left on the board. I think the wishes of the providers should be followed at a minimum in the situation of death. These are their co-workers, often personal friends over long periods of time.
I can't believe that at least this one situation can't be handled in a more reasonable way for all involved.
On the other cases where a provider wishes her reviews removed...again let us use some common sense. How long a member of TER? How many reviews? Quality of reviews? Clearly no scam involved. Just a human being trying to change direction, or dealing with a stalker, or other serious personal situation. Clearly, this can be dealt with in a sensible manner that respects the women in this profession and does not threaten the quality of service to TER client members.
As to scams...let me see. How many providers post with blurred faces. How hard is it after 3 bad reviews to create a new "person", a new add, join TER and do it again for a while. Seems like that is a much bigger risk then honoring the wishes of well reviewed providers.
I'll just say that I've seen providers fake their own death on TER.
Pretty much ANY potential scam you can think of on TER has been tried, I think. It's unfortunate that because of that, there's probably more suspiciousness/less helpfulness than there could be.
My approach would be to try and work with Admin as best as possible.
You ask your reviews/profile to be removed asap! TER complies, then, years later TER dig you up from the files and make a new category "funny and memorable TER reviewers".
Your old name, reviews etc is back up for all to google and find it again, after you went thru the ropes to get YOU deleted from every existent search engine and hobby boards.
You now are living a quiet and peaceful life and all your old stuff is baaaack!
One of the ladies listed is now a high profile public figure and I know - for a fact - that her husband was desperate to get all out of the internet (which he did) - because her real name/occupation was on the brink of being outed by a stalker.
That also has nothing to do with my point: reviews are forever (in the sense of being part of your profile), and being a participant in TER is binary (you are/you are not).
Good friend of mine decided to change her name due to custody case. She was one of VERY VERY WELL reviewed ladies who has incredible following in NYC area.
Delisting her old reviews and coming back under new persona was counter productive to her biz but it had to be done.
In case of RETIRED providers, how about not having these reviews up for the time that lady is retired?
And in case of DEAD providers, chances of them coming back under new name are minuscule. So far we only know of one person who managed to do that and he probably did not have a profile here
... they are risking being delisted for fraud if someone puts two and two together and tattletales. The one thing I've learned over the years is that when it comes to Admin, be honest and up front. Always. Anything that remotely looks like being shady, the hammer starts coming down.
I won't say it's never happened (where Admin has consented to a "delisting"/relisting under another name), because I don't know this for certain. All I know is that this is how it's been explained to me: reviews are supposed to be forever and part of your profile, even if there's a working name change. And it was explained to me in the context of... helping someone deal with a stalker.
In January, a provider in my area was reported to have died (of natural causes). Her sister had asked a trusted client to pass on word to the local hobby community. A few weeks later, a new review of her was posted on TER. I filed a problem report, asking that her profile be removed.
The feedback I got asked if I had any documentation to link the profile to an obituary or news story, or if I could get a family member to contact TER. None of which I could do. TER Support explained that they had adopted a policy of not acting without some kind of proof, because rivals or pranksters, etc. had been fraudulently getting the profiles of living providers removed.
It should be obvious why it's often difficult for any third party to produce proof tying a provider's TER identity to her real identity, alive or deceased. That it often can't be done isn't necessarily due to insensitivity.
I have no idea why this change occurred but it seems to be a move that proves that TER couldn't give a rats ass about providers. Some scam, and I could recite names of a couple. In the past, they'd get caught, get banned and plead their case to return. Some convinced the powers, others were left to hang for it. The dead ones went away without a constant reminder of their career choice to their relatives. I've personally notified admin of a couple that passed away and have to assume that a note was attached to prevent them from coming back to life, but that's speculation.
TER has always been for the guys, and women have benefitted by having an ad venue where people could ID the good ones and feel comfortable seeing them. When a provider retires, we should be done with her. She moves through life without a thought from us. If she decides to return, so be it and she returns to the land of the visible. This is just fucked up, pure and simple.
"CHOICE/OPT-OUT Our site provides users with the opportunity to opt-out of receiving communications from us at the point where we request information about them.
We also give visitors the following option for removing their information from our database, should they no longer wish to receive future communications, or our service in general:
Contact us requesting that you be removed from our database."
Sounds like "unretiring" profiles that have asked to be delisted violates their privacy policy as accessed by me on 9/4/2012.
And while TER isn't based in the US, they might have something to worry about. Because the European Union (where they are based) has quite strict policies about data privacy.
Are we all forgetting who started this board/co & why? Obviously those tactics were adopted into the new owners' standards & guidelines & TER never did & still doesn't give 2 shits about the underlying premise for them even being here, which is - the Provider. Now I am glad to see a site out there that does prioritize the Hobbyist first for a change, but there's no need to be down right brutal about it or ignore an escort's plea all together. And they could care less about you Mods, who I know must be forever up-to-your-necks in swamp at all times. Here's what they DO care about... their 750th 1000th, thhhh review, their users online (even when we're doggin' 'em!), how many members they have, their site stats, & their Alexa rating. They ignore the fact that none of us would be here without the other, which starts at the Provider. Shit, 1/2 the time I can't even read my own reviews b/c my username has ALWAYS had malfunctions of one sort or another & even for a while had me locked in as a Hobbyist Basic Member w/no privileges whatsoever! I refuse to pay them a membership to have access to my shit. Nonetheless, on the other hand, it has to be difficult to submit proof of a death cert to an alias name who left no paper trail behind. That would be equivalent & no diff than if A' was a friend who passed & I had to go scrounge up proof for the board, in order to respect his wishes. And I couldn't just expect the board to take my word for it b/c I could just be out for the ruins of A', who's alive & well, rather than his friend. As long as there has been & will be humankind, there will always be scandalous people in every sector we find, it's necessary for the order of things, if nothing but for contrast alone. It is what it is. We have to use our intelligence as the weapon of its choice & pass on any valuable info to keep one another safe.
and they may try to make you Think they care but ya just know they really dont care what the Ladies think or how any given thing, policy rule and so on effects the Ladies. Well this just enforces that fact 10fold. Pretty much suck it up or else. so they intend to list you anyway Even if you are dead...thats just really twisted!
A lady should be able to be delisted or opt out of TER. Dead providers should be delisted. This is not good at all. All changes at TER lately besides the new boards have been hostile towards the ladies. TER should be of more benefit to the guy then the ladies as this is a client based site but not to the point where this site becomes hostile territory for the ladies as this site quickly becoming.
What benefit is it for TER to list reviews of dead, and retired ladies? None I can think of. Listing reviews of ladies that don't wish for them can put them at risk. This isn't a good development. It could literally endanger people and is of little use for us guys. Why is TER doing this? It make no since. it isn't cool at all.
As per request from a friend here is a photo of a MILF. Again don't know her name but it is from karupsow.com.
But if I was I wouldn't mind. I think MrSelfDestruct is an OK guy. As for me being a mangina, you are right I am one. I am proud of it. This board's definition of mangina is anyone who think ladies that provide are human and should be treated as such. I am very happy to say that describes me well. So thank you for the complement even if it wasn't meant as such.
A few years back another site such as this one (Hint: It was pretty big in TX) went down for a few days and when it came back up there were several YEARS of postings/reviews gone and never recovered. The administrators offered “crashed server” for the reason. I suspect the real reason was someone’s attempt to remove a page from their past. And guess what? They succeeded.
If the reasonable option of removing your profile/reviews upon retirement is made unavailable you will require ladies (and their partners) to choose between their new lives and TER’s very existence. Guess which one I’d choose.
Now, the hacking could take the form of just deleting an individual’s info or to make it less obvious (and easier) it would require the deletion of the entire database or huge chunks of it. If TER recovered and re-posted the data, the party would simply up the ante next time and crack the membership rolls and post user names with associated emails and any CC payment data. They could also post PMs that had cell phone numbers and other personal info used to set up dates via PM. No hobbyist in his right mind would join the site after that. If you doubt this in the era of Wikileaks you are naïve. Besides, the mainstream media would eat it up and beg for more. TER would be left as a cautionary tale for any new site wishing to fill the void.
A lady should be able to have her reviews pulled for the varied and valid reasons previously mentioned. To re-list reviews and profiles adds nothing to the board. Who cares what a retired/deceased lady did? She's gone! Leave someone with no options and they may be inclined to return the favor.
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