I began as a Provider 3 years ago this month (Happy Anniversary!).  And like so many of us new girls to the industry these days, I knew very little about it.  Nothing like the current economy to flood this market, though I have no regrets for making the "career change", b/c (call me crazy, if conditioned by society) I actually really like what I do.  Truthfully, that's NOT to be confused with assuming this an advertisement.  Nonetheless, when I heard about the tradition of published reviews, I knew right away that I DIDN'T want any, b/c the last thing I desired was attention drawn to me from the wrong institution, you understand.  Then for the next (first) 6 mo, I began to realize why the reviews were necessary, a reasoning for which most of you well know.  OK understood, but...

Surely I am not the first person to realize nor analyze that the broadcasting of explicit reviews is audacious, considering that our 'extra-curricular' activity is formally determined as, 'not legal' (when it includes the fee amount paid by the reviewer)?  Perhaps this is just a challenge we face in desperate need of revision, that's silently ignored so we won't have to acknowledge its awareness, then we can assume the position of its ignorance & proceed?  This seems dangerously risky to me... reviews are a taunting exhibition of easy target for "Ellie" (if you catch my drift), speculating an arrogance that patronizes their ("Ellie's") intelligence.  It's like kids in a pool playing Marco-Polo, & as if following their voice isn't simple enough to win the game, you can always cheat by opening your eyes to tag the victim.  So I guess each time we yell, "Polo" & get away without being tagged, it continually confirms our actions as of being acceptable, to the point we become jaded & forget it is one of the two key elements that may get us tagged (the other element would be just to clumsy your swim right into "Marco", at which point, your goose is cooked!).  

I'll be shocked to find this post remaining published without the mods finding & deleting it, on behalf of interest-conflict.  And I don't mean to portray hypocrisy, as I am grateful for each & every one of my reviews, b/c it promotes that which you & I seek.  I'm not knocking ANY review boards or pointing fingers as to who's to blame for mandating this tradition, so to speak, which I feel has become out of control with its required "explicity" of the qualified review.  And yes, I DO understand the review's initial purpose & the need for publishing the particular services each of us has to offer, especially when it's unwise to discuss the issue via any conversation form, with anyone whom we have not yet entrusted.  But a different approach on acquiring the same outcome, perhaps? Every single time I post any word on any Internet site within this community, I assume any agency that wants to, will read it.  That's just unnecessary attention drawn upon me as far as I'm concerned & anything can lead to a case later presented against me if they really want to bad enough.  Ask anyone who's ever been nailed (not a pun); this is not paranoia, it's realism, possible & maybe even probable, & I'm just sayin'...

The risk of writing/publishing or having explicit reviews is much like a serial killer filming the victim's demise at his location of IP address, though assuming the authorities won't figure out where the horror takes place... after all, to him, this is not an act of horror.

Are you going on tour any time soon?  WOW!!!!!!

For we need pricing information, we need to know the services that come with the price, we need to know what you all look like, and we need to know the actual experience. You can list everything and without the experience hobbyists can end up with a bad experience. TER offers transparency, or as much as we can get. Without those components we wouldn't be able to determine if a provider is what we are looking for or even if they are going to rip us off.

I don't mean to sound dismissive as I am interested to hear what you have to say around it though. We worry about LE too but right now this is the best option.et us know what you were thinking.

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Killer ass!!

i love the STYLEZ girls..kelsi and shayla..now thats a pair..

Kelsi, I think you are worrying needlessly.  While this business will never be totally risk free I don't believe a savvy indy who's a good screener runs much of a risk.  Why?  Because your Uncle Leo has different priorities.  He's more interested getting the most bang for his buck by busting agencies, massage parlors, SWs and places where truly trafficked women are being exploited.  There's no percentage in busting a single gal and they generally leave them alone, reviews or not.  It takes too much time, $$$ and effort for a single arrest.
Oh, and yes, you do have a really fine ass.  Some day I hope to worship it and write a stellar review.

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with that comes a lack of advertising policy on many boards. So, if you don't want reviews, have them pulled. If you are not showing your face on the internet in association with illegal services, your reviews won't hurt you unless of course you get busted. Even then, no way for a court to prove they are actual accounts as we all know how men like to make shit up lol.

The only way they are not hearsay is if the cops get the actual reviewer to testify that the review is true. If they got a reviewer testifying he could just testify to what is contained in the review so you are screwed anyway. The Exotic Review said, claiming it is fiction, on it's web site that an unknown person called scoed said you suck mean dick for dollars and the defendant can not cross examine, scoed or The Exotic Review, just isn't going to stand up in court in most cases. Now that does not mean that a review can't put a target on ones back, it can. Any form of advertising does that. That is why screening is so key. It is the only weapon we have against Uncle Leo that works and it is not fool proof.

didn't want to publish the op ed, so she published it on TER.  Its a great piece of write up, but What's the question here.  If this is just a musing, I am fine with it.

As London pointed out, you can have those reviews pulled, if you can't sleep at night fearing LE.  Lot of girls go UTR, once they establish a respectable client base. Any new clients are references from existing clients or other provider friends.  If that's what you want to do that's what you should do, but for rest of us the system works perfectly fine....Thank you.

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,this is a fuck board, not NY Times. So get to the point. I'm sure its authentic article...

Where is CPA when we need him....

Give me a week and I will have her calling you guys losers and using the "f" word ha ha. Better my dear? Yea, go find CPA. He is going to love this hottie!

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... between "you're" and "your" !!  Awesome, London.

And I agree with what you've said on the topic at hand. I had links to my reviews on my website for a long time. Then I took them off and just linked to TER and my local board. I am not sure if that provides any legal barrier or not, but it seemed like a good thing to do. At least I'm not claiming them as truth on my website.

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It seems based on the replies that guys and gals equally saw the thread in such a manner that it was difficult to take all that seriously.

If the OP doesn't want reviews...simple solution.  Don't have them attached to her profile.

If she's all worried about LE..or Ellie, find a line of work that won't attract that type of attention.

She had her say..some folks found it entertaining..others were compelled to throw some mockery in there.

But if the replies here chased her away...yikes.  This was nothing

He wanted me to see if I could figure out why Katie is leaving him.

I said to Tom...go and watch "Rock of Ages"...and all will become clear

PS...I haven't seen it myself, but have it on good authority is is indeed grounds for divorce!

I agree with you wholeheartedly Aragorn, that the system of reviews we have currently is greatly necessary in every aspect.  I'm certainly not willing to talk about my services, explicit details, & many other personal questions with someone I haven't yet met, plus, even if I were willing to, who's to say I'd be telling the truth?  That would be no different than any ad anywhere... no law states advertising must only contain truth, so then you guys would be back at square-one.  I like having a publication that reflects the true efforts of that which I offer, known by the public that I had no influence on any reports whatsoever (other than ensuring that I do the best I possibly can to enlighten the experience beforehand).  Additionally, reviews of others oftentimes benefit in my favor if it's reported that a Provider falls short of the routine norm; if I'm next in line on his list & reports confirm the criterion he anticipates, I win.   Furthermore, I am so sick of hearing from my clients the horror stories they have experienced through meeting illegitimate "Providers" (NOT!  This refers to the ones that don't provide anything, other than a jacking.  Then there's the ever-popular up-sell, where the said amount you placed in the envelope is just a down-pyt, & you don't even get to see her naked without first re-financing your home.  Though my all-time fave, "that hag at the door nowhere resembled the hottie in the pics!" ...etc).  This community is no different than any other industry & there is very little service or product that I would try if I had only the word of the advertiser to base my buying decision upon.  Though explicitly reporting on the monetary exchange for the activity at hand, is a legal conflict of interest, in this Land of the Free, but definitely Home of the Brave.  }  

I don't really have any suggestions, which is why I posted on the problem I think it poses.  The only possible thought I vaguely entertain would be to consider an iron-clad system of participating inter-Hobbyist communication, as a sort of live report reference check-point via correspondence... the Hobbyist that has seen the Provider answering questions of the inquiring Hobbyist.  Providers would have no say in backing any truths/lies about what their ads state, just as they don't with reviews now.  I've never fully thought it through though b/c I'm skeptical of system feasibility, while many either cannot participate at all, or would be limited to communication b/c of their S-O, or any lack of privacy which might prohibit conversation availability.  But also, w/out a tight rein somehow, this could prove to be even more dangerous for particularly the Hobbyist, b/c now you would have a direct link to a live person's real phone # or Email, after they've already gotten you to discuss an act they're looking to bust you for.  So see, there are holes all throughout the only one way I could think to possibly change this system.  

Besides, if we developed a different system, the review boards would be abandoned & go broke.  This would infuriate their owners.  Then I would turn up missing or something (... "don't turn up missing or something, get rid of cable").  Oh wait, never mind, it's not like there would be a contract put out on me... David Elms is still in prison!  :o  JK!  I'm definitely open to any worthy suggestions.

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Yes baby, & the amount of my humiliation, which is completely spilling over, on my imagined efforts of any possibility to keep this topic on the DL, seriously has me wondering about myself at this point.  Yes, I said it, & what's done is done... so now laugh & I move on (with a helmet in place, of course).

Curious who had the over/under of 5 years.

But I'll bet she won't be posting her ads anytime soon on the LA board.

And Tom and Charlie Sheen will be getting together more frequently I assume.

...If she does post an ad. I am taking out a loan on my house, or selling one of my kidneys

she is available...BUT any "suitor" has to be able to jump up on the couch and scream his love for Katie at the top of his lungs...

And this has to be on National TV.

But she's cheap right now with no reviews.  And frankly, doesn't really need the money.

Wow..she's like so many other gals that babble here that they don't need the money either

(beneficial) advantages out of them.  (That claim is better explained in one of my following other replies below.)  And not to be confused of being contradicting, what I'm attempting to point out is that the very key-necessary element (reviews), which has provided the petro that makes this rockin' world of our community go 'round, seems to entail a format of daring risk that could very well manufacture the opposite reaction, leaving us with nothing to fuel our once "rockin' world", nothing on which to "go 'round", only non-consenting commotion within a "straight line", eventually leading to us "falling off of our new & 'improved' (you know that's how they'd see it!), reformed world", which would now be flat once again, blowing completely out of the water, any plans I had of becoming an astronaut when I grow up.  }

Hi,

... will that suffice for Katie?? I'd put a second mortgage on the condo  for a rendezvous w/ Katie!!

OMG you have a valid point, which may seem stupid to admit my stupidity on this one, but of one I honestly never thought of!  While I'm out here aimlessly bangin' my helmet around on the walls, all the while no one seems to notice, you my dear have come along & taken me by the hand, as if to say, "Stop hurting yourself this instant child!  Everything will be alright...", which it will, now that you've pointed out that I've participated in one of the dumbest things I could have ever possibly done to myself, which was to publish each of my review links on my old website!  How effin stupid of me is that?!  You know, actually, enough of this BS, I'm just going to go turn myself in b/c they might not have even noticed me yet...  As long as they allow me to bring my sense of humor, that is.  

All twisted humor aside Jillian, I am serious when I say, thank you for pointing this out, no matter how stupid I feel & may appear.  

Does everyone see the importance of having a mentor to guide you when entering this field?  A qualified guide that is... I'm never listening to what those kids on the short bus have to say to me ever again 'cause they're stupider than their stupidness expectancy!

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real-life personal info I required for screening?  ... which is how I found out that he was a cop?  I still ponder that one to this day.

I'm actually shocked with amazement that I made it this far with the Mods!  It could just be that:  in addition to a select other few, they actually conceive of my success in making a short story long; while getting to view first-hand that I apparently pose no threat to anything, based upon my self-exploitation of IQ level, illustrated throughout my various reiterations replied to their corresponding participants (I'm being "snide", Curly... bear with me here); with a possible understanding that I too place extensive value upon the reviews' worthiness of necessity within our community; or simply an understanding that I only post when I have too much time on my hands, while fully aware that I don't have the required energy necessary to pursue the efforts of any topic which I've presented if I were qualified to pioneer change that will forever alter life as we've known of it; or it could be that they too long for a good train-wreck like so many others do, the latter of which I'll settle for if nothing else is made available.  Thanx Mods for allowing the transpiration of this topic, no matter how far it may or may not get, & I apologize for instigating any more of a work-load than you already endure.  

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Some people need to think things through a bit!

First of all, she will need the money based on the prenup she showed me.  Second, the only things that have been up her pussy in the past five years are a turkey-baster full of Tommy's jizz, and lots of dildos.  She is hot to trot, and only $1,000/hr.  "I want man-meat," she told me.  So I slipped her the high hard one.
Mini-review: 10/8 but only because her skills are a bit rusty.  She is destined for the Top 100, with a bullet.

for myself, it amazes me how soon I forget about that mandatory confirmation to society thing, tis-tis...  Unfortunately, I am forced to deal with these nagging little nuisances that require my frequent attention within what they refer to as my life.  A cat lives here & demands food... this land-lord person has the audacity to come around asking for money every month, like the whole world owes him something (but when next mo rolls around, I'm gonna' stop helping him out b/c I think I'm just enabling him)... then for no reason, I guess the neighbors complained, & I had to either take a shower or vacate the premises, according to the HOA president - NUISANCES!  Anyway, I apologize for the interruption & though I shouldn't be held responsible,  I do however feel that a good spanking is in order, b/c I'm such a good kid, I'm even self-punishing, which you'll find to be virtually maintenance-free.  So line up, in order!  Come one, come all...  This is just the antidote for off-season boredom!

Yes, I'm still standing, incidentally coherently, though I'm familiar with ignorance in its beautiful bliss.  But I'd be lying, CPA, if I said I haven't found this location to be most entertaining, no matter what the motive.  I've come to pick no fight; I've come in peace.  But if it's insisted that I absolutely must dance, then Tango it is... I find it to be most erotic, & the absence of words truly bares one's soul through the eyes, so as no longer to be misunderstood.

}  }  }  } !!

I'm not clear on what my expected response was supposed to be... ooh, starting to feel naked, umm & for some reason I can't find my homework.  Am I in trouble?

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ass b/c you're hard to understand otherwise, & don't hesitate to ask sunshine, for you are such a delight, drumming to the sound of your very own little band-wagon-original (no really, this characteristic achievement is too possible!) special beat.  And remember, never hate the playa, hate the game!

back-stage, effective immediately.  All neutral cast members, you are to report to the cafeteria.  All neutral cast members, report to the cafeteria immediately.  All non-compliant crew-members of regulated order, are free to not report.  All non-compliant crew-members of regulated order, you are free to not report anywhere, effective immediately, unless you want to.  The station in which you are report to is no longer our responsibility & you are responsible for your own destination, effective when you see fit.  We are not concerned with a possible revolution invoked by this group, b/c there isn't enough of them combined to pose any threat to over-rule the system.  Security snipers are standing by around the clock & will pick them off one by one, as necessary, with a positively unnoticed guarantee, or your money back b/c we don't need it either & just service our community for fun & the wellness of mankind, in addition to routine charitable cause for the select-qualified.  We ask our viewers to join us again, same time next week, for another series episode of "It appears as though the heat is decomposing the human tissue of exposed Southwest Region Zonies, notably raising the Testosterone levels to a danger of excessive value in the male species, while documented as also being responsible for the alleged, mysterious murders of what was once the healthy molecular female form of their species' life-sustaining brain cells, responsible for securing the males from rage & any typical threats posed upon him, inflicted by the everyday harm of physical threats the defenseless male gender faces, in their frequent attempt to walk & talk...".  Or, watch the live stream at www dot "all of that which I just said was the title to our broadcast" dot com.   Good night.  (My bad, I didn't realize we were still on the Err!)

Very bizarre thread...not a clue what you were hoping to accomplish.

Dangerous thing when you mix drugs with alcohol....isn't it?

Oh, I thought I was supposed to follow your lead in random embarrassment of revealing yourself in a sympathetic attempt to, I guess degrade, the other?  Well, that's what I get for not reading the newly revised board directions, & my insult of being the only one left standing after the Big Bad Wolf was called upon to blow the board down.   ..Yet another example of ignorance being bliss, for I did not realize I was supposed to have fleed in fear, long ago.  I guess I should apologize for stepping on your toes during that orchestrated ambush.  I really should apologize to you, shouldn't I?  Yeah, I probably really, sympathetically should apologize for this unacceptable behavior... I know I really should... & sincerely too.  I'm supposed to be nice to your kind, regarding your sad, harboring condition, & do all I possibly can to help you get better & supposed to forgive your ugly inflictions & show you what it's like to be loved, I realize.  OK, if you can hold your breath w/out cheating, all the while until I return to this very spot, I will formally make a public apology.  Carry on, I'm gone!  (No cheating!)

Yes, I've channeled MP67, a/k/a Friend of Kelsi! He's pissed!  Drunk, too, of course!  I mean when ain't he???  But he sez you pick on girls too much.  You know how to get to him if you want to reach out. He claims not to be drunk, at least by his standards.  LOL!  No idea WTF that means! I mean, I didn't really agee with her post but she does have a really fine ass. Treat it nice.
I hear she put the hoe in P-hoe-nix!

I think kelsi is actually the guy who does those infomercials and can babble without taking a breath for five minutes.

And if she's MP's pal, that explains the drunken incoherent rant!

Hell, I haven't even read the goddam thread and I'm not going to.  Don't think she's drunk, either.  MP, on the other hand, well....

No, not stupid at all. There is no one "right way" through all of this. My (fairly recent) system with not putting reviews on my site is only a stab in the dark - an attempt to put a little distance between me and possible trouble. It may be that it is just the right thing, or maybe it doesn't matter at all.  I just count on being generally a pretty small fish, coupled with being not the easiest fish to prosecute...I dunno, maybe it all adds up.

We are all out here in the "Wild West" of Hobbyland, making it up as we go along. I have a few lady friends in the field who think they have the answers all figured out. Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe there are a thousand right answers.

But if my system gives you comfort, I say good! There is no point in worrying overly much when a lot of what happens is not in our control. Do what you can to minimize risk, and then go have fun! You can always modify as you go...

I do not have them all out published in quotes...I also don't show my face so good luck trying to pick me out of a crowd at the hotel. I recently heard that LE was trying to use reviews against providers when busted and for each review, it was something like x amount for each count of tax evasion per review. Make sure you're paying taxes Paleeze!

for either prostitution raps or tax evasion issues.

Tax evasion is usually the business of the IRS, not the vice squad.

I'm not saying that LE has never tried to use a website as evidence, but it produced a lot of complicated issues when LE does attempt to introduce it as evidence.  LE has to show a link by link correlation between the site and the defendent, and that gets into a lot of subpeonas and time consuming shit.  If it were a murder case, of course they would do it, but for a run-of-the-mill prositution rap that is only likely to end up with a fine?  Forget it.

So, I think we should all relax about the websites and instead worry about screening and checking out each other to be sure that we are safe.

I could see the tax man getting involved with the case of big agencies, and that thing.  Is that where it came up?

(still not a lawyer)

It was when that whole thing went down with escorts.com with Nashville in particular.


And you are correct, LE was the wrong abbreviation to use, because they only present the facts to the DA..the IRS deals with the tax evasion bs. "Supposedly, they were trying to link each review to one count of tax evasion," but again, I did not do any research to know how true that was.

I could see it as being possible, but don't know just how probable.

But the lawyer I hired for a former fav had no problem having her reviews as inadmissible as hearsay. She still lost as she opened her damn mouth but her reviews where not admissible. Her Ads were though. Maybe it depends on the state or if your lawyer was worth a damn or not.