The reason being that a high entry reduces the value of participation for those who are less committed/interested in the process. And, that a higher level of interest/commitment = higher quality.  

But when did TER go from being a review site to a forum in which providers could participate? I don't know the history, so I don't know what, if anything, changed.

Provided they have access to that information.

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You guys should have spelled it out clearer before. I thought you all were just really mean people or a bunch of 14 year old boys. I didn't know you were chasing the ladies participation away on purpose. I see the trend of ladies refusing to participate on this board. I thought the joke was on you (not the OP in particular, just the bullies in general) but I guess the joke was on us. Well it is working. Little by little the ladies are jumping ship. You all could have sped it up by letting us know that you really do want to turn this into some Lord of the Fly's boys club.  
I feel so stupid now. Maybe TER can open up a "boys only" board that you guys can play on. Then this board can be a coed discussion board for those who want to be nice to each other. That might work. Then the ladies would not have to be subjected to the vile hatred and you guys could have a place to type freely without us hookers screwing everything up.

Do you have before and after numbers for us to compare? Or did you just make that up?

I'd pull up links to your same post (essentially) from some other gals from years ago.

the whole point of the damn site was by men for men.  Don't know if anyone knows the history but it was brilliant!!!!!!  

I check out their ads and think about what it's going to be like when I call them up and go do them. Then it's fun to talk to them and them not knowing yet that pretty soon they'll be sucking my cock and I'll be pulling down their panties and getting them all wet so I can poke it into their pussy. Talking to them is better than talking about them.

So high mileage Mobile 1 oil cost more than the oil at the dollar store what does the same thing.

but don't you want to know if $1000 an hour Suzy Homewrecker, is the same gal down at the corner of 69th and Y giving $10 blow n goes?

Have to send a email to ter to be able To use it.

along with everyone else. It's a diversion, nothing more, and tainted reviews don't bother me, it's easy enough to back channel around that nonsense. Douchebags, dickheads, BSC hookers, providers that are frankly smarter than I am, egomaniacal ass clowns, barely coherent idiots, and of course good folks that are just having fun, it all goes in the mix and makes for a delicious cocktail of human fuckery on these here boards. But I think I can guess what would happen to the boards if the providers were booted off:

There lot of fackes out there.

She would have to give 100 blow jobs to equal a home reck i have a 8 lb hammer i use to reck the home

But there 4 possible female names for the 30 top posters and 4 female names for sure for the 3 month.

I want the real thing.

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Love the simple honesty, just laying it out there.
Confession: I like having girls around too.  Girls are fun.

then we can have a boyz club sausage fest.  What fucking fun! Not!
I love how you are wrong pretty much 100% of the time.
Go away.

But I knew that.

seek to ban any hooker. There isn't a single gal here I would want kicked off the island. Or guy for that matter.

In fact, the first moderator of the General Discussion board, way back in 2000, was "GirlNextDoor."

(I believe), and providers were always welcome on the forums (except for the "reviewers only" forum) and providers even served as moderators (see my post lower in the thread) and even staff.

The first dick size thread! : D

Was it for this little gem, trashing all the guys?:

Although I was never very active here (because at one point I was very active and moderated a competing board elsewhere), I have been a member here since at least 2002 and on other hobby boards since 1998/99.  I recently returned to the hobby, and since doing so I have been amazed at the attitude change here.  There was a time when the guys here tried to be nice to these ladies, who, frankly, in a non-P4P world should likely not give most of us the time of day. It seems to me that the fact that these ladies want to enjoy being here means that the guys here should TRY to make them feel welcome.  While we all recognize that board trolls exist, it seems to me that we all should try hard not to be one of them.  Maybe the difference is that when this all began it was quiet and hidden, but has evolved along with the internet into the mainstream? Whatever the reason, would we really want to belong to a club that would have ONLY us punters as members?

While I don't disagree with you, I get tired of people using "free speech" as their excuse to be mean to people.  Free speech is something we have against our government.  Free speech is also far from absolute.  Our rights to free speech ends where another persons nose begins.  In general, why is it hard to be nice the escorts who participate here?  A sausage fest without female participation would be damn boring.  Plus, most escorts provide valuable advice and insight into most topics if we take the time to listen.  Hell, I had a lady I met with this week go over my wish list with me and tell me to move one escort higher because she had met her in person and that she was incredible.  (This lady is now at the top of my list!)

At first I thought you were talking about the higher session prices as compared to years past. That the ladies have raised their rates to attract a better client, and keep the riff raff, for the most part, at bay. But then when I start reading the body of your text, you seem to be talking about reviews, forum participation, and monthly fees. I'm not sure where to go, so I'll take a wild guess.

Which is, a "review site" will necessarily be corrupted if the those sought to be regulated (the escorts) are allowed to participate. The regulated will capture the regulator.  

1) Congrats at being a longtime member?!!?!?

She said nothing of value and just lashed out at some imaginary post she read in place of mine.  

nothing but all men's clubs around. That would suck. But you know that is not the case and not a fair response. TER is not the only forum on the internet... And it is not the last bastion or last best hope against the vile and hateful exclusion of escorts from message boards!!!!  

What you think is the issue is not the issue.  

Why do we have to use backchannel?  

You understand my general point. Some escorts use the concept to weed out undesirable clients. TER tries to use it to weed out BS and unserious reviewers but it does not work. Why?  

I think that can only be obtained if escorts are not allowed to participate IN THAT ONE FORUM/WEBSITE!  

I will grant you that a higher price generally follows a younger, prettier, and more shapely lass, but not necessarily one who will please more than a gal without all those attributes.

In fact, I've had the experience of seeing a gal who thinks her looks alone were enough and was not willing to do the hard work of performing.  

On to the other question, I like the fact that the providers participate in TER.  It is a great way to find good providers, and if it weren't for them being here, I'm not too sure that this place would even be around.

You don't enjoy this? (

First, my amusement at what I took as sarcasm was not throwing you under the bus in any way, shape or form. I've not always been the best at recognizing sarcasm, or not.

To answer you:

Moral of the story?  
 
Read before you rock, Rusty.

Are endemic to ANY review site.  

But I tend to think the inclusion of women here is huge net plus, with any downside on the integrity of reviews being minimal.  The biggest downside to any review system is retaliation.  And in this biz which is so personal, that would be hard to avoid even if ladies were excluded here.  Only way to completely avoid that is to not allow ladies to even SEE reviews at all.  But honestly, while this would achieve the result of completely protecting guys - it wouldn't be fair to the ladies, as they'd then not be able to identify the bogus reviews that are put up to hurt their business.  And of course, in actuality it might be impossible to successfully ban ladies from seeing reviews anyway - as these are just too critical to their business, so they will, one way or another, figure out who reviewed them well and who did not.

"I guess my answer is that the ladies should be able to participate fully in this main forum without somehow improperly influencing the reviews we write.  They are two different things. "

My response to your first para may sound harsh but I think it is true: review sites are not for the escorts benefit.  

"Take my restaurant. My review was ‘bought’ and ‘inflated’ a bit."

I too participate in back channel, and I also throw out the extremes on numerical ratings.  

No problem - no offense taken.
Just seems like there isn't a great answer regarding the retaliation issue.
If a guy gives a lower score than others - even if not a bad review, the lady might choose not to see him again.  That is part of the the cost of this being such a personal business though, as opposed to something like a restaurant.  Of course, she could do much more than this and blacklist him.  Hard to see what the solution is to this, other than guys building-up a strong enough reputation that they can successfully withstand one lady on a mission to harm him (kinda like ladies being able to withstand a few outlier bad reviews out of many great ones).  Don't think there is anything TER can really do - as they can't really be adjudicators for all the fights between guys and gals.  Hopefully the crazy people are crazy to enough people that they end up destroying their own reputations.

Would you be so kind to explain POwned, just for my edification? You can do it via pm if you wish. I get the owned, but I can't place the P.

From what I've seen, newbie providers benefit a lot from input from other providers.

The escorts aren't overly concerned (to say the least) about allowing punters access to and the ability to modify blacklists.  

There is also a RO board===no providers allowed. You have the option of writing reviews under 1 alias, posting on boards under a 2nd alias and giving one, both, or neither alias to an escort when you schedule a session.  You can even delaying the timing of when you post a review.  
   

would have very little trouble finding white knight leakers and do the same thing they do now on a "no escorts allowed" site, so it doesn't much matter, does it?

same concerns in what I wrote - as currently, I probably wouldn't recommend different Newbie boards for providers and clients, because you would be throwing out the "good" along with the "bad."  It was just something that came to mind as an interesting concept to address a downside (at times) of ladies being on TER (and honestly, there really aren't many downsides to me - so this one stands out a bit).  That said, the idea would have some benefits, so I'd be interested in others thoughts.  Also, your idea about moderation could possibly help (but that could be percieved as censorship too - so many would object to that - as would I if one of my posts fell victim, lol!)

Reviews are generally NOT accurate, no matter what the venue, and who they allow to participate. Unfair negative reviews are a part of any review site, as are inflated good reviews.  

Neither of us thinks highly of review sites.  

We all read reviews that aren't real/slanted/fake. You have to factor that into the equation.  Guys like to go along to get along so if the lady they saw had all 9's he's much more likely to repeat that rating thinking well it must be them not the actual service. We all have glossed over some of the worst parts and highlighted the better parts. Its human nature.  The biggest problem with this, from the client end of this, is that it inflates the rates hurting the clients and top end providers.  If the rules for posts those rating where forced on the reviewer it may change their rating. Some how.