Here’s a news flash to newbies… lots of ladies fuck bareback even though they tell you don’t.
And if they tell you “I  only did it for you”… don’t believe it.  
I will not “out” anyone .. but in my experience, about 50% of the ladies I saw went “au naturel”  with a bit iof persuasion or financial inducement.

I really want to bust a nut in the girls bare in pussy or ass.  yes a lot of them do with money added.  I might need to go on PREP but then you have potential pregnancy issues.  maybe only cum in their asshole.  

But you have no problem placing the seed of doubt re: BBFS over every women you have reviewed. I am sure they appreciate you for that.

of the ladies I’ve seen didn’t go “au naturale” with me. In fact, it never came up. And I’ve seen some of them dozens of times. But then, I didn’t do even a “bit of persuasion” or suggest a financial inducement, nor did they.

are those that just do it without a cover one day and you were not even aware of it until they climb off and your load drips out of your pussy.  My initial reaction is WTF???   But what's done is done.  If my dick didn't turn black and fall off in a week, then I might go back for another go, other times, not.  It depended on my assessment of how common this might be with a particular girl.  Each case was different depending how long I had been seeing her.  

Question for you, CDL:  for that "every year to year and a half," when you were getting your STIs, what did you get?   How did you notice it?    How did you treat it?  (I heard if you got the herpes, you've got it for life!    It's untreatable, and will stick to you for  a lifetime.   I am personally not worried about the AIDS, I think it's maybe a hoax.)

My friend it is not a coincidence that you don't get STIs when you use condoms.

You think AIDS is a hoax?!
How about MLS?
Alzheimers?
Cancer?

bringing your own condom or telling providers you’ll use theirs helps you, since you say you can’t tell whether or not a condom was on your dick until you see the cum dripping out of their pussies (or not).

I’m not doing BBFS, and either are any of my provider friends. Maybe just the entertainment you choose do. Even if you say it’s 50% as adults we can agree to disagree. Hopefully you get tested because STD’s are real. I am sure some are offering, but to say we’re all naive for not understanding it’s half of us that do provided BBFS is outlandish. We’re all not the same & this is not a 1 size fits all industry.

Indeed!

on your incurable genital warts  

Never had an STD in my life and hope it stays that way.  
Anyone can be carrying an STD but it  might be more risky with providers who offer BB consistently  and are low priced. And yes , a client can pass STD 's to a provider as well.

You have no clue what your provider friends do.  You just know what they tell you they do.  Those are rarely the same thing.

chicken little?   Lol

chlamydia or gonorrhea, both treatable with 10 days of meds.  Symptom is most often drippy-dick, as we referred to it in the military.  I have taken a prophylactic drug which is effective against catching Herpes, but you are right, it IS incurable if you get it, but with medication, it often remains dormant and people who have it can lead a relatively normal life.  I dated a girl for a while who had it, but I never caught it because her meds were making it LESS transmittable.  Whenever she had an outbreak, which is when it is most transmittable, she told me and we abstained until her smptoms subsided. There was still SOME risk, but I accepted it.  AiDS is not a hoax, but is less often transmitted in heterosexual sex.  If you hobby with trannies, there is additional risk, but they now have PRep to minimize chances of getting it, but we won't know for years how long your kidneys will last using it.  Lol

because there were several instances where the sex was fully covered, but I got it from a provider who was doing camel slides on my bare dick before applying the condom.  Since that is a service many providers make as part of their routine, it is only coincidental that in last few years, I have not had an STI, even though many of the ladies I saw included camel slides in their normal menu even though the intercourse is covered.    

Hey JPJ,
  They say that in hope of making more then you just paid them.  A Provider uses condoms, because they do not want to get any sexually transmitted disease from a client and pass it on to other clients (So, yeah feel special. Stop acting like an ass and be Thankful).  

I always bring my own cover.  About 3/4 of providers let me use it.  Some prefer to use their own cover.   Either is fine.    

So yes we know our friends are safe because we see what they do it’s weird how you think 🤔 you know, but don’t know us.

LOL, I see why a lot of the old guard don't post on here anymore.   What is the point of this post?  One has to wonder.  I'll go back to just reading and keep my comments to myself.  

"The ones that irritate me are those that just do it without a cover one day and you were not even aware of it until they climb off and your load drips out of your pussy"

Though it sounds like you might be experiencing more luck than coincidence these days.

A person with 16 reviews is now the expert who knows 50% of the women are willing to do this? I'm not buying it. And, to be fair, let's not include the K-girls that advertise they do this in that number, because that's just tipping the scales for the women that do not advertise it. And, there are some who are not K-girls that advertise it too, so not really counting them, since no kidding no surprise. This is about women who do not advertise it. Do some of them do it? Well yes, of course they do. It's no surprise that some women will do it who do not advertise it. In my experience, most who do not advertise it, will not do it. The ones who will, usually are selective and will not do it with just anyone, and it's not just about throwing more money at them. First, you probably need to be a regular. Second, they probably need to really like you as a regular. Then, if  they will do it, it will probably cost you more money and require a recent test. I think that percentage is probably closer to 10% than it is 50%. And, that 10% doesn't apply to just any client, but a small select number of special clients. The percentage that will do it with anyone for the right amount of money and who do not advertise it is likely very low. And, let's not get wild and include some ridiculous amount of money in the right amount of money. I'm sure if I was insance and offered 10k for one bang that number would go up. Enough money will always entice more, but there's a point where it's not even worth sharing that a women will do it for such a ridiculous amount of money. I'm focusing on reasonable amount of more money here.

Will never go BBFS due to contracting STDs.  100% not worth it.  An orgasm is an orgasm.  Not going to get AIDs or another STD just so my orgasm feels 10% nicer.  STDs destroy your life - forever.  Use protection.

You must have heard that from some of the ladies I've seen.   LOL

They use protection around other providers but some will go without when they are with certain clients.

That you lack experience. Absolutely hilarious.

Let me start with this “outs” no one. My reviews here are five + years old and this speaks to none of them.  

with less than one review a month.  Do you see the irony in a guy with little experience white-knighting for another guy with little experience.  I guess you low-volume mongers should look out for each other.  Bwahahahahaha

It's a combination of caution and luck, just like a lot of other things in life.  Like I said, we all have our own comfort level when it comes to risk tolerance.  There is nothing in this business that 100% safe from everything, so each of us has to find the level we are comfortable at.  

Someone should be embarrassed by some posts in this thread. But that someone is you.

There is no point in my trying to reply to his non-logical statement since anything I say will be attacked as I don't know what I am speaking about., so I won't Rocket. But you obviously see the ridiculous conclusion he came to - the Pope of Punters Pontificates with twisted logic and expects everyone to take it as gospel.  Point of fact, I have not reviewed all the girls i have met, for various reasons. Since I started in this adventure over 11 years ago, I have slowed down significantly for a few reasons, but I also did see and review girls under a different handle before the TER shutdown.  I started seeing escorts before I knew about review sites - I guess I was lucky to have found some good ones lol.  
Circumstances being what they are, I mostly keep seeing a few girls I know well and always have a good time with since they are accomodating and awesome.
One final point:  I learned when I was very young to ALWAYS know wher both my wallet and my dick was at all times!

is in the car during a session and my dick is always attached to my body, but if tits are hanging in front of my eyes, I can't always see it.  Your explanation seems to indicate that you are now in agreement that what I claim is possible, just not with you because you watch your dick every minute of the session, or are you saying it would have been possible for you, too, but just never happened the way it did to me?  

limited experience monger (showing NO reviews) that has never had a big-titted provider slide up his body, dragging her tits along your skin until she is completely over you.  One thing about this biz is it has made me much more adventurous in trying new things and different positions.  I did say I have only been surprised by this move about a half dozen times out of thousands of sessions.  Sadly, plain-vanilla guys like you fuck providers the way you would your wife if she wasn't disgusted by you.  You're the poster-boy for not being married if you are going to be in this biz.  How can you let loose and have fun when you know all the time you're a cheater with someone who trusts you?  Go ahead, let's hear your lame excuse.  Lol

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lame attack by CDL, which he has to resort to when he’s called out on his B.S.

show you are a miserable, unhappy person who is in a marriage he doesn't want.   Either you are too much of a coward to file for divorce or your wife is the breadwinner for the family and you can't make it financially without her.  The fact that you are so fucking serious here shows the depth of your misery.  

that you don’t seem to realize that your attack posts, like those above, don’t accomplish anything except to remind people here that you’re a pathetic human being.

Truth is, bbfs has been going on for the entire time ive been in this hobby, 25 years, and due to the new meds, its very very common. Id say the 50% mark is a lowball. You can type in bbfs on search functions on different esvorts sites and all kinds of ads pop up. I think its risky behavior.

I wonder whether it's an empirically sound sample.  

I think that is a good observation. Each of us tends to self select into some niche type area of the large market. As the other poster was saying, he is networked with the BBFS CIP providers. Suggesting that experience is representative of the entire market is questionable.

Although I admit to being tempted to see K-girls now that there are some who are doing girl-girl dates. I wonder whether they'd let me just watch. : )

Agreed, this is a subset…higher-end girls, MILF-y age.. These ladies never advertise BBFS, it’s UTR…their choice to offer it up. I also book two hour sessions and present myself well, which I think helps.

probably need to ask lowpaw for some advice on that question.

And they’d probably encourage him to come back as it would be some of the easiest money they ever made.  

I only respond with an attack post to those that attack me first, like you did.   The rest of my comments here are either informational or just for humor and fun.  You haven't yet answered the question why your wife despises you but you are too ball-less to leave her.  Do you have to ask her if you can borrow your nuts before you go see a provider?  Lol

It isn't true you post an attack ad only in response to an attack on you.  You seem to attack Queen Bia and her posts frequently when she never mentions you.  

You can only comment on what you do.  You are not a mind reader of what others do; nor am I. My comment was based on actual, real, factual  experience…. You can choose to believe it or not… I frankly don’t give a shit either way.

Maybe I’m just very lucky… but  
I played extensively with 3 higher end ladies for years: 2 west coast, 1 east coast.  Saw the west coast ladies for at least 6 years and about 20 visits each.  1 lady was bare from day 1… never even asked me about putting a condom on.  The other west coast lady required a condom on our first visit .. but told me we could go bare if i showed her test results.  So got tested, showed her results, and we went bare for the next 6 years.  Never had any problem with either one.
East coast lady never asked about protection from day 1… which was consistent with many reviews of her.  Couldn’t even guess how many times we’ve been together .. she retired a few years ago, but we still see each other very often.
Have never had a scare or any reason for concern.  To each their own.  Make your own choice … I respect your choice and opinion… but don’t fucking preach to me about what I choose to do.
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Like many others I have met several recently who have no issues with it. I may be wrong but possibly because it is becoming the norm. I got hit with it about a year or more ago from a super hot regular of mine. She is 115 lbs. soaking wet and a sex machine. And yes I did fail the test the first few times, it was the best I have ever had.  In the long run the worry afterwards made me end things with her for BBFS. I do see her when possible and stick to oral finish.  Going forward and then meeting other providers it almost seems like rubbers are not a issue. My go to so far is to bring my own and not ask.  

for the reminder that I forgot to add “delusional” to “pathetic” above.

they are sarcasm and mocking all in good fun over the things she tries to present here as facts when they are really just her self-serving opinions.  She is also my muse for humor.  She is such an inspiration. Nothing is mean-spirited like the attacks I get from the low-volume mongers here (most of whom use aliases so we can't tell low-volume from no-volume - Lol), unless she attacks me first, which she has done.  She and I will be having a civil debate and all of a sudden she goes ballistic when I disagree with one of her pseudo-facts.

calling someone else delusional and pathetic when you are the one cheating on your wife.  What could be more pathetic than sleazing around on a woman who trusts you?  What did she do to deserve your dishonesty and disloyalty, and why don't you just end the marriage?  You should add to MY list integrity, loyalty and honesty, three traits you are knowingly eschewing by your lack of cajónes.  

I mean, jeez, man, we get that you aren't married (and neither am I). But we're all whoremongers here, morally-challenged, serial purchasers of illegal sex. Law breakers. So I try not to judge the subset of us who are married.
If you haven't walked a mile in a man's shoes....

Sarcasm???  You could also call it a bowlful of puppies, a chocolate Sundae or a bunch of hooey for that matter.  Humor???  I don't see your negativity as humor but then what would I expect with someone of such little experience and low-volume as yourself.  Since 800 reviews is the standard to be considered an expert, you are half-way there.  So keep on plugging along and someday soon someone may consider your word gospel.  Furthermore, since you are using an alias, how are we to consider anything you say is of value?  Hiding behind a made up name isn't very courageous.  I looked up couer-de-lion in both the White & Yellow Pages and couldn't find a listing for you.  Google has the name but you're not representing yourself as the handmade jewelry company from Germany are you???   You talk about other's psuedo-facts but constantly misrepresent, generalize, surmise, extrapolate or twist what they are saying to mean something else.  

I don’t think people anyone can know a true percentage, and there are so many factors involved such as price range, demographics, financial need, amount of financial inducement etc. Of course there are ladies who do that with some of their clients. What is a little shocking is how naive some of the providers are about the risks—I’ve heard “don’t worry I’m clean” just because she doesn’t have symptoms (but doesn’t get tested). Or “I only do it with clean clients” because she did a quick inspection and saw nothing, or they told her they’re clean lol. I’ve also heard “don’t worry I’m on birth control” and “I do cover up for vaginal sex but we can do anal bare”.  Unbelievable.  To be honest I have on rare occasions had the lady just nonchalantly slide down on me before without prior discussion, and I didn’t stop her because I was too weak in that moment, but  then I won’t see her again because i don’t trust myself to do anything different in that situation again. It’s not worth the stress for a few weeks until I get tested (always been negative). But it does seem like it’s becoming more frequent than say 20 years ago, maybe because AIDS isn’t quite the death sentence it used to be nor as visible as during the 80s when there were a lot of AIDS activism and media stories.

to not judge others, when you have no idea of their circumstances except perhaps what they’ve posted here.

lecturing on not judging others when your first attack post to me was highly judgmental?  You just can't seem to remember how this started, can you?  Lol

his shoes when I was married to my first wife.  I was miserable and down-in-the-mouth all the time just like Stevie.   I started taking on girlfriends on the side (didn't have to pay in those days due to my looks), but after a year, I just got a divorce.  It cost me a bundle, but it was money well spent to be able to start fresh and be free to have all the women I wanted for the next ten years.  The lesson for me was that, if you're thinking about getting married, take a hard look at the woman and ask yourself if you can stay with her for at least a couple of decades without seeing other women, and it the answer is NO, don't get married.  The fact that Stevie thinks cheating is the way to happiness is the only thing pathetic and delusional about this exchange.  After each session he has to go home and tell lies to his wife's face, but he doesn't have the confidence to make a go of it without her like you and I have.  

is duly noted for the record. You have no more substantive defense for your disloyal actions to your wife, so you are trying to be cute, an epic fail if ever there was one.  It must really suck to be you.  Lol

Even more so in the SB world.

over 400 reviews on another site before I started reviewing here in 2015 after the other site shut down, which has been verified on the boards here by others who knew me over there, so thank you for confirming the standard for being an expert and that I'm indeed the expert here.   Your 178 reviews since 2013 is a worthy accomplishment, and I salute you for it, but do you see the irony in calling me low-volume by comparison?   Lol

I'm not upset in the least.  I find it ironic though that you took everything I wrote to heart and that you don't understand humor or sarcasm when you read it.

walk-backs I've seen on here.  Kudos.  

Just watch? I don't have that kind of self control 😜

Where did I suggest lowpaw only watches?  

Helixer:
“I wonder whether they'd let me just watch. : )”

so bad in bed that it would dampen the enthusiasm of the girls, then by all means, just tell them you want to watch them please each other sexually.  Lol

I think if providers are offering bbfs often it doesn't matter how much the session cost, it's a risk. Or are you implying that a guy who pays more is somehow cleaner ? Or the assumption the less u charge the more guys you see? Wow so many assumptions. I don't charge a lot, I don't see many guys at all and across the board full service is covered. I think a lot of guys say a lot of gals do bare and just don't admit it cuz they are trying to get it normalized. I mean if ur not in a committed relationship you should use protection. Civvie or whore or client. It's just smart to be cautious. And what happened to aids or HIV ? They didn't get cured. Yes u can take prep but I don't know how failproof that is. And herpes is forever. And I myself  would feel icky if I had guys I am not in a relationship with dumping their loads in me. I guess I am a prude. So be it.

I say things that never happened for $500.

Ok. Sure. I believe you.

I have to say there are a hell of a lot of married men participating in this "hobby" and I find it dicky that you are all over him. Sure in a beautiful world we could all tell the absolute truth. But here we live in reality. A good portion of the men I have seen are married, love their wife and don't want a divorce and for whatever reason they see me. Alot of older ladies are done w sex after menopause. So then that's it for her husband. I always say she has hands and a mouth if the pussy is causing pain. But for whatever reason they have sex outside their marriage.  
 Now if I was married and I just stopped all sex I would expect that he is getting it somewhere. Would I want to know ? I am not sure. It's handling a need not having another relationship. So please I am happy to do my part in helping these men stay w the wives they love. And you say he has no integrity, to me integrity is doing the right thing and each person is different. Maybe they would want to know and maybe they don't. Sex causes alot of jealousy. So maybe with no interest in sex they aren't concerned what he's doing . Or he's caring for a sick wife. You think it would be nice to tell her that he's scratching an itch elsewhere.  
So to all the married men I have seen you get no judgement here. I myself could not do what you guys do. I couldn't have sex w someone else while in a relationship and keep it secret. That would mess me up. I have actually talked a few would be clients into not seeing me because I didn't think they could handle it either. But they were young and it would be more of wanting their cake and eating it too. So I am much more accepting in the older guys reason for seeing me. To me it's an expression of their love that they want to stay married. They do what they have to and she's probably none the wiser.  
And actually I am being wrong in saying younger guys are cheating for selfish reasons. Who knows what their reasons are all I know is I am a safe outlet that won't interfere with their marriage.  And monogamy is not the norm in most animals. So maybe we are wrong for making it be the only way society views relationships.  I have a ton of integrity and I am a whore. Do with that what you want but there are a lot of ladies in this biz that have hearts of gold and integrity to boot and who I would be honored to call my friend. Same as the men I have met. A lot of them I do think of as friends. And I don't question their integrity.  

you’re still missing something important here.

Friend,

Thank you, Goody two-shoes!

Steve,

Well, we really don’t know, do we?  In fact, based on what CDL has told us, HE may not know.  

you have an "OPEN arrangement" with your wife.  That's curious since you have posted here giving advice to others about the steps YOU take to keep your wife from finding out about you fucking providers.  Somebody else brings up open marriage and you pivot to try to cover your own ass.  You could have brought it up at the top of the discussion, but you didn't think about it until Stephie brought it up, and I don't recall you ever mentioning you have such an arrangement before.  Got a link to where you have talked about your "open marriage?"

This all started when you refused to take responsibility for "about a half dozen" providers doing BBGC on you. You said you didn't realize these "irritating" providers had done it until you saw the cum dripping out of their pussies. Being tricked once is possible; being tricked again, and again, and again, and again, and again isn't, unless you're the world's biggest idiot--you don't want to admit to that, do you? As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." But fool me SIX times? It's clear you didn't care if it was BBCG or not, yet you blamed the providers, not yourself.

a link about this.  I was getting ready to provide some help to YOU.  Lol  There are  eleven posts where you talk about that, and I wasn't sure how to get into them without baiting you with a small lie.  I wanted to see WHICH one you would pick to explain that I was wrong, and predictably, the picked the one that causes the least damage to you.  There are actually eleven posts where you talk about this, and it's interesting how you try to sanitize the process in SOME of them so you don't look like a simpering fool.

Sometimes you manage to outdo your delusional, pathetic self… which is really difficult.

you have posted in the past.  The pathetic part is that your wife won't give you sex anymore, but you don't have the balls to get a divorce.  My narrative is all supported by YOUR own posts.  I already admitted I lied to bait you into referring to your prior posts, and it worked.  Now your own pathetic life is pieced together for all to see.  Any farmer will tell you there is no reason to keep the cow if she's not giving you milk anymore.  She's not giving you sex, but she "allows" you (your words) to get your sex where you can.  If you don't have the financial resources to cut her loose, then I imagine MOST of your sexual activity is by yourself.  Is your inclination that she is cucking you with only one hunky dude, or are there several drawing free water from your well?  You should free yourself from this joke of a marriage.  It makes you look like a sad, pathetic shell of a man.  How much of an allowance does she give you to see providers?  She's obviously in control of things from what you have posted.  Run an ad in the local classified section for a "used wife, T.O.P."  If she's not hot, try the Pennysaver.   Lol

You post the link to where I posted “… but she (my wife) obviously doesn't love you (me), because she doesn't care who you fuck, she loves the guy (or guys) that are taking care of her sexually the way her husband didn't.” That shouldn’t be a problem for you, since you say you just quoted what I’ve posted.  

with your wife that makes any sense to anyone else, so what qualifies you to make a deal with me?  Do you even KNOW who she is cucking you with?  You say you love her, so why wouldn't she be satisfied with YOUR love?  Why does she need to fuck other guys?  Are you really that bad of a lay?  Is that why you are sticking with professionals, because civvie women just laugh at you?   Youi don't seem to want to answer my questions, but you want me to answer yours.  Are you spoiled much?  Lol

First, you, Steve, note you WILL not get in that last word. So let it go.
I got a idea, why don't both you meet at the flag pole at 3pm and have it out because this is what this back and forth has come to.  
Dam, really both you need to grow the fuck up
And this whole wife shit is fucked up, regardless

This is prime entertainment for a guy like you that has no life.  Lol

of who needs to grow the fuck up is off by 50%.

in a smaller size that fits you, I would buy you a pair of balls so you could get a divorce and live a real life.  Lol

Brothers, once again.....lets look at ourselves.  When the back and forth gets to the point where the thread is as thin as a single letter.....it's time to stop.   We are chasing women who get paid to play. It is illegal by definition and brings a host of other criminal activity.   We all engage activities that are questionable or worse.   We got mongers judging mongers and talking smack.  We got mongers who try non stop to impress us with their vocabulary and writing prowess. Lets not take ourselves too seriously.  After all we fuck whores and sometimes they fuck$ us.  Apologies in advance to the whores.  I know some of you don't like my vocabulary.   Queen Bia your rants directed at me are still up so ill re-read those and save you some time ; )

Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.

I think this was attached to the wrong part. I do believe Bia. It's the main guy that I was referring to.

If that question was to me I really don't care if they are cheating or not. I mean, if they are seeing me and lying to their partner or seeing me and their partner knows it's not on me if they are breaking a trust or not. I don't date married men in real life because I feel then i am part of the equation. It's still on him but I would be complicit in that I am involved. When it's work I don't have any guilt because I am doing this for money and don't want your man. I am a safe outlet if he is cheating because I am not trying to get involved in your relationship.  

Since you love to use (incorrectly) the word irony...it's quite ironic that someone who virtually lives on this anonymous fuck board, I would guess posting and making up kgirl reviews is your life. And let's not forget your top secret "indy" girls you see.  
I'm sure you made a great hall monitor in school, when you were getting pantsed and having kick me sticker put on your back.  
Take a vacation with your girl Queen and we'll see if we can get by without your sage advice (via Google)

400 reviews may seem like a lot to a guy who averages less than one review per month, and I'm guessing that the jealousy that oozes through every word you post is due to financial constraints because of limited resources.  Maybe you should take a break from this biz, find some financial success somewhere and then you would be in a position to see as many Kgirls as I do.  I know cleaning swimming pools for rich people in SoCal has given you a bad attitude on life, so maybe you should try something else.  With the new minimum wage in CA of $15 an hour, there are opportunities everywhere, but you should hurry before the migrant snap up all of these good-paying jobs. Have you EVER posted anything positive on this board?  I don't think so.