Has anyone had experience with these sites?  For a huge discount one could get an quasi-relationship with benefits.  I would presume that the disease issue would be attenuated because these girls arn't traveling and meeting four guys a day. With this economy, you have a real choice, and you can work her in your schedule.  Your the boss, not her.

Everyone I know says these are more expensive in the long run.  It's too much like a girlfriend, you have to buy gifts, pay a "stipend", so forth and it's all for the same woman.  You may as well get a real girlfriend.

I'm sticking with the hobby -- not least because so many more beautiful women are available ...

Many are really "provider sites". There is a lot of competition resulting in ads and recruitment trying to get people to join the sites. I have noticed they are doing more things to make sure that both sexes pay to read emails, to make the sites legit.

It takes a lot of work to get a hook up on those sites. On this site, you call, give the screening info and off to the fun right away.

From what I am seeing lots of desperate women out there. I get a laugh out of all the rules listed on profiles (No married, etc, etc).

Then there the profiles from overseas where they are trying to scam you to wire them money. They still pictures off amateur porn sites. Want to be your no your no limits slave for life, lol.

Be careful with those married women looking to play on the side, don't want to run into her husband...

yeah your the boss not her..dream on!!

I've had 2 successful SD/sb arrangements, both with college grad students.

Had one disastrous encounter that was my own fault (first meet turned into all night fuck followed by two days of Hell calling and cancelling and replacing all my credit cards and damn it, the $3000 in my wallet was gonna go to her anyway, so why the fuck did she rob me god damn it) a half dozen or so non-starters, and one that almost went the opposite direction into a "re-lay-shun-shipph!". Talk about dodging a bullet!

I am too interested in variety to be plugged into what is really a different form of P4P. A more costly form in the long run and have heard way too many war stories of how easily they can milk you (no pun intended) dry.

I've only had good, fantastic and OK experiences in this arena and no bad experiences.  

It is worth noting that most of these did not involve an explicit p4p component or monthly stipend but had more of the quality a girlfriend who would like to go on exciting trip with you which you pay for.  How I managed to pull this off, I don't know, but it seems that those sites have plenty of girls who are quite happy to have erotic adventures for very modest compensation with significantly older gentlemen from outside their social circle whom they might not meet otherwise.  Certainly not what I would have guessed going into it.

Below are some summary examples of experiences  from the last 3 or 4 years of on and off expeditions into a couple of the SD sites.  

* One extremely attractive girl flew in to visit for a weekend.  No chemistry so didn't make plans to see again.  Covered travel expense and agreed in advance to an additional $1k for her trouble.

* Another also flew in for the weekend.  Similar story and compensation but no agreement in advance.  It seems that not having an explicit amount agreed to in advance--contrary to intuition--actually leads to a better outcome, but that may be just a quirk related to me.

* Yet another from another city flew in for the weekend a couple of times and went on trip together for long weekend to remote location.  Bright and sexy girl.  In law school now. Still in contact but no longer see one another.  No compensation asked for or given other than covering travel and expenses while together.

* Another lived in same city and became a girlfriend for 6 months or so.  No compensation other than general paying for things whenever we were together.

* Met another in a foreign city who later flew in to visit a couple of times and saw her in her hometown one or two more times.  Travel expenses and no further compensation.

* Yet another from a foreign city and similar story.

* Another in same city.  Extremely hot.  Super sexy.  Never any discussion of compensation.  Saw one another once every couple of weeks for dinner and overnight over period of many months.  I would discretely give $400 or 500 whenever we saw each other.  Can't be sure if it was the case, but always had the impression that things would have been much the same absent my modest contributions.

* Another I met in another city on two or three occasions for great sex, hikes and dinners.  No compensation.

* Another who was an ex-porn star and negotiated an explicit per visit fee--roughly 700 for 3-4 hours of playtime.  Saw on a weekly basis for a couple of months.  In spite of her extraordinary good looks, she may have been the most disappointing of the lot. Possibly due to age (early 20s) or porn star perspective on life. Reached partial conclusion that those who are more interested in the economic side of the equation tend to be less interesting in the other parts of the equation.

That covers most of the meaningful encounters.  For each that I ended up meeting more than once there were probably about 2 whom I met for lunch and it led to nothing.  Most of the girls were in their late 20s or thereabouts.  I'm in my mid-40s.  And the standard of beauty was/is remarkable--in almost every case equal to or a couple of notches above anything I've found in my limited P4P experience.  So, yes, I'd have to say that my experience with those sites has been very very good.  They opened up a whole new world of possibilities.  

In the context of TER, it's worth noting that these experiences weren't really an alternative to P4P, but a different animal altogether.  I was actually interested in spending time with and getting to know the women in question.  But I suspect that one could find just about anything they are looking for on those sites and if its disaster you are looking for, I'm sure there's plenty of that too.

That some of these experiences have been so awful...
Truth be known many providers use these and say they aren't pros to fill in their schedule I know of quite a few here in ny that figure it is a different pond to swim in and are able to increase their numbers using it.They all say they are in college and need help ,all of them are college coeds ,not really lol but  sort of .I am sure some are fun it is a matter of finding them .But you can find them here at ter as well using a different pic and name. I think they say they are college coeds because they think it is what you guys want to hear,have fun out there ,Kendall

It was with a Playmate and it was incredible.   It was monogamous (on both sides) for the whole time and we travelled and actually formed an attachment.  She moved and I set her up with a buddy who picked up right where I left off.

Alias used to protect her and him.

Highly recommend if you find the right one.

If I wanted something like that I'd just get a girlfriend and be done with it.

First, yes, they are meeting several men. They'll lie to you and say they aren't, but they are. I've met ladies off these website trying to learn from them, and they all admitted to it.

Second, because they aren't professionals, and they don't think they're "hookers" they don't always use protection because they feel they aren't at risk.  They make the same mistakes civvies do: "Just this once", "I like him", "He doesn't like condoms so I don't use them", "It's too much bother to put one on", "I don't like using condoms".  

There are plenty of low volume women at any rate - don't just assume we see four guys a day.  Not eveyone want's a revovling door when they decide to become companions.

And this idea that ANYONE is the boss is truly demeaning.  This is a partnership transaction, both parties are making choices, both parties should be listening to each other, and if they can't agree, both parties should move on.

Attempting to gain control of a woman is an abusive mindset. No one has power over you, as the "consumer" the power of choice is always in your hands.

No woman should attempt to gain "control" of a man; and no man should attempt to gain "control" over a woman.

It IS an abusive mindset. And abuse in any form -- physical, emotional, etc. -- is intolerable. One of the benefits of p4p should be avoidance of abuse by both parties.

The one and only remedy that should be considered by anyone; other than negotiation to correct misunderstandings; is that each person has a right to end the situation if it isn't to his/her liking.

That is control of the self; rather than control of the other.

Any relationship is best when reciprocal. Paying a fee doesn't make someone one's slave.

Hey, I am 59.  No 22 YO looks at me w/o wanting something more.  I get the point about "the drama" mentioned above.  One can't filter that out from the start, and that is a problem.  Yet, these girls give more than sex for an hour, which is a bonus. Sometimes.

OMG, John Galt/Ayn Rand.  Like Rand, you just carry things to far.  We are dealing with real life, not abstractions.

you are really speaking of control over YOUR OWN schedule, etc.

On the other hand, I believe I a couple of other very compelling arguments against becoming a Sugar Daddy completely unrelated to this concept.

These come from a male rather than female perspective for obvious reasons.

The first is that unless you are made of emotional granite; you will likely end up sufficiently attached to the Sugar Baby that it will, from an emotional perspective, be as addictive as an affair or moreso.

Of course, most of that attachment will be one-way.

This is because you will see the person frequently to meet certain of your needs; and the artificial context will be such that unlike a non-p4p woman; this woman will only make deposits into her account in your love bank, and will make no withdrawals.

Furthermore, human biology developed for millions of years before the advent of money. And numerous studies indicate that people respond to fantasy just as if it were real; despite intellectual knowledge of the unreal nature of the situation. This is why visual media are so powerful and why tobacco advertising was banned on TV.

To an extent, the existence of the envelope in P4P allows for self-administered cognitive behavioral therapy to diminish emotional impacts. However, the temporal remoteness of the envelope renders this much less effective.

Yes, it will still be fantasy; but your biology and emotions are more likely to react as though it is NOT fantasy in a SD/SB situation than would otherwise be the case because of the scope of needs that will be addressed, the frequency of the meeting of those needs, the absence of ordinary negative experiences with the SB and the temporal remoteness of the envelope.

Obviously, this would not apply to manly men whose only emotional content consists of lust, greed, aggression and so forth; or to people with certain pathologies such as narcissistic or psychopathic personality disorders.

But barring pathologies, often even the most manly of men discover they were more emotionally available than they thought. Again, this is due to scope (a SB addresses more than just sex), frequency, absence of negatives that would exist in an ordinary relationship, and the lack of proximity of the envelope.

You COULD give it a try for about 3 months. If she's any good you'll be hooked like a crack fiend. Of course, I may be entirely wrong. Lemme know what you discover.

The second is that it won't really work the way you plan. The girl has a life.

She may not be at your disposal exactly when it is most convenient for you. Unless you are planning to pay her in the mid-6-figures to assure monogamy and that she doesn't have to work in other ways; you have absolutely ZERO assurance of her not giving you diseases she picked up from her REAL boyfriend or that she won't need to take on additional work (providing or otherwise) to make up the difference.

Even if you DID pay her that much, you'd have little assurance. She won't be your REAL girlfriend. If she is normal, she will have a desire to seek some other man who she actually loves and who can offer her a future; and she'll get pretty danged bored waiting around for nothing more interesting than getting banged by you once in a while.

3. You're chances of getting caught are much higher.

I presume you are married. Your wife is about five-thousand times smarter and more observant than you think. I admit my own wife is pretty damned smart, and she can practically tell me what I had for breakfast three days ago just by looking at my face.

As the FBI interrogation manual describes; no matter what your mouth is saying your limbic system doesn't lie. You'd have to be a yogi to pull off such fine-grained voluntary overrides of the automatic.

Once you get used to it, the occasional boffing of a provider in which the bonding hormone wears off after a couple of days and in which there is little emotional attachment can be readily concealed; albeit imperfectly. (Assuming you wash off the after-sex pheromones and switch clothes after, etc.)

Do not expect to have the same luck with something that will likely grow to be much more akin to an affair emotionally. You won't even be consciously aware of the million and one things your wife will notice. She might not be either, but they'll all add up in her mind.

Moreover, if you are going to the same place every time you do your boffing of your SB; unless that is very very far away; your odds of discovery increase dramatically.

Your odds of this ending up with you controlling even just yourself are less than if you simply established a regular schedule with a provider.

All of the foregoing is just my opinion. In the final analysis it is only you who must evaluate the cost/benefit analysis because it is you who pays the freight for your decisions.

So I wish you good luck either way.

There's a big difference in age between us; and that can certainly make a difference in how we evaluate these things.

In addition, I actively seek providers close to my own age rather than 22 year olds -- which also makes a difference.

So I can understand why you'd find a situation attractive that I'd find less than appealing.

I don't really use sites..but have ran ads on craigslist as a sugardaddy looking. It is time consuming. I have a met few decent girls and my current has been going for a year and a half. She has looks and talent up with the best providers I have seen. We worked out a very amiable deal for both of us. It is nice thinking it is just me and her real BF. Well worth the effort now. It took 6-8 months to find her.

Postscript:  I looked on my States Circuit Court record & the one SG that seemed the most accomidating had been charged w/ "Harrasment" 2 years ago.  End Of Story