If an ATF told you that she's preggy with your kid, cuz something must have happened with that weak condom or birth control pill she was taking.
What would you do? Assume that this was probably an inexperienced young provider who didn't know squat.

And if she were to ask for Alimony ?
I'm just wonderin what you would do ... LOL !
Does she have the right to ask?

And what if she had twins or triplets that are carbon copy of you? Haha ...

Seriously, has this situation ever happened?

collect the insurance...change my identity..move to a distant country and never trust a providers condom again.

will probably see a host of totally ridiculous answers about your moral obligations, I say BullShit!  This is not a moral question.  If I had any morals I would not be paying these ladies for sex.  It boils down to an occupational hazard, nothing more.  How the lady decides to insure herself that this will not happen is up to her.  A condom for prevention of STDs/Pregnancy plus a second method for pregancy only would be an intelligent move.  Many see condoms as sufficient.  It's totally the ladies choice, and I respect whatever she decides.  I just don't ever want to get a phone call from a provider telling me she's pregnant, and thinks it's mine.
I did my part, I put the condom on.  If she doesn't have a plan B for pregnancy she will need to go out and buy some Plan B!

Wow, how do you guys dream this shit up?

If what she said was proven ultimately to be true, I would live up to my obligations.  To do otherwise would mean I have no honor.  But, proof would be necessary...

LOl I remember asking a similar question when I first started out.


Unless your a millionaire, You have nothing to worry about.


If DNA results come back positive, Congradulations.

Other hobbyists or guessing who the daddy is.

In the event this would happen, and the offspring is yours, enjoy the 18 to 21 years of child support.
Alimony would not apply.

You see it all the time in porn movies where the man ejaculates and cums inside.

Since I've done PSE and you haven't, you may think it's a joke. But it always makes me wonder.

You're right, it's not a joke.  I bet most of the ladies here would love to know who you are so they could avoid you.  I'd sure like names of the ladies.

Pregnancy is the least of your worries.

because it sure as hell can't be me. i've made quite sure i can't be the cause.

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She said the client kept trying to go in BB, and that he took the condom off when he was doing her doggie style, and she didn't notice until after they were done. Nutted up inside her, and a month later she finds out she's pregnant. She didn't tell him about it, she just payed for the abortion herself.

I had a scare once, I had quit taking my birth control pills cuz they made me sick, and had made a doctors appointment to get on new ones. I was with a client, and after he finished, he pulled out and the condom stayed inside of me. It took me a minute to fish it out, but I was terrified. I called the doctor the next day and made an emergency appointment to get tested for the next day. It would've been too soon for it to show on a pregnancy test, so I had to wait on that. And it just happened that my period was a week late! I was totally convinced I was pregnant, and decided if I was I'd get an abortion. I was about 22 at the time, and the client was in his 70s. So didn't want my babys daddy to be the same age as my grandfather. I didn't mention anything to him, I didn't want to stress him out in case I wasn't pregnant. My period came a few days later, and I'd never been so relieved in my life! I also went back to the doctor a few months later and got retested for everything. I get tested at least twice a year.

Condoms are NOT foolproof. They can break or slip off. Guys, NEVER stay inside a girl after you cum. Pull out right away. When you go soft, it's easier for the condom to come off inside us. And us ladies need to be using an additional form of birth control, in case the condom breaks. I've had condoms break/slip off several times, so I'm not gonna solely rely on them. Thank goodness Plan B is available in stores now.

I have a client who told me that his ex-ATF told him she was pregnant by him, condom had slipped off when they were in session. He said she asked him for abortion money, but he didn't believe her. He said she was bad off on drugs. He told her he'd go to the doctor with her and pay for it, but she made up excuses of why he couldn't come. She dropped the subject after that. He's sure she just wanted drug money.

If I got knocked up by a client, whether it be a new guy or a regular, I'd get an abortion. Whether or not I'd tell him would depend on how well I know him. Hell, I have a client or two who'd probably be delighted if they impregnated me! They've already professed their undying love for me, so I'm sure they'd want to get married and have a happy family. Um...NO! ABORTION!!!

Are you just a bragging moron, or just a moron?

If she is having unprotected sex with you who else is she doing that with? Also, why you. How do you know it is yours? Paternity test for sure!

I hope you are not married..

Good Luck

PSE is commonly advertised in my area.

I don't have an 18" penis and have never had a condom break. And providers sleep with lots and lots of men. So I would, of course, require proof.

I mean, really, when I am one of a cast of dozens, how in the world would she decide it was me? But -- assuming she was correct, I would do what is right; as *I* define it; which I suspect would take the woman totally by surprise.

I believe VERY STRONGLY that children (absent abusive situations) have a better and more auspicious start in life with the near-constant and active involvement of their biological father right from the moment of birth.

Therefore, I absolutely would not settle for this BULLSHIT of seeing MY child(ren) only four days out of 30. JOINT PHYSICAL CUSTODY. Nothing less will be acceptable, and I will leave no stone unturned in order to secure it.

PSE does not necessarily mean BBFS.  PSE, GFE, & a bunch of other meaningless terms are bantered around but are really only sales pitches.
 
Porn actors in MOVIES are tested & must show their results.  That is not happening in P4P.

Not! The probabilities of that happening, as I see it, are quite remote. If I did my part to prevent such an occurrence, I doubt that I would learn about it. It's part of being a professional, and practicing professionalism.

Pregnancy & STDs are what a climber calls objective hazards. A tight rope walker has the constant danger of falling and prepares for it to the best degree possible. Even condom slippage or breakage.

It is or should be the same with us, clients and providers.

A pregnancy is a hazard of the job for which she's ultimately responsible. Is not bodily control and choice at the core of P4P? If you're a provider how would you know paternity a priori to a birth? I assume most provides schedule more than one session between periods, and wouldn't want to wait long enough to be able to even test paternity.

Bottom line. In P4P a woman has to assume and maintain absolute control and responsibility over her body, and that includes any consequences associated with her choices. Even, IMO, if SHE CHOOSES to offer BBFS.

The exception to all this is if the client does something to usurp her choices, and does something extraordinary, such as sneaking a cover off to get BBFS without her consent, which should be a crime IMO.

I had the chop job almost 30 yrs ago, long before I started hobbying.

Swim

But remember that the OP's question presumes a provider who doesn't subscribe to this notion.

Instead, it presumes a provider who is already on the road to applying to you for child support; which our legal system WILL give her -- p4p notwithstanding.

My approach is actually a bit of Aikido. The woman who would do that is likely only expecting "daddy" to be a check in the mail. Oh looky!  I have this guy's baby!  Now I get loads of free money guaranteed by state enforcement! Whoopie!

What she is NOT expecting is daddy to sue for full physical custody and then file a complaint for felony fraud if she fails to fully account for her escorting income in the child support paperwork.

Too often in this country, when a woman speaks of a man's "responsibilities" she is speaking of his WALLET ONLY.  

Putting a woman on notice that a man CAN and WILL put her in a position where SHE is the one sending the check will make her think twice about "responsibilities."

never having to say you're sorry.

He's suggesting that she's routinely offering BB.  I'd hope that she'd be smart enough to understand all the ways that can explode in her face, pun intended.  It would be reasonable to expect that she would work to prevent pregnancy, or be prepared to deal with it.  Still, if he's dumb enough to be going there, he should expect the worst.

No hooker is going to raise my baby.  I'd go for full custody and there is a good chance I'd get it if she was working while pregnant or is providing while caring for a newborn.  (again not my view but I'm sure that there are some that might go this far)

how do you know which tooth actually got you???

the only honorable thing to do would be to marry the poor girl, and live happily ever after.

How far I would go depends on how willing the woman was to play fair. Already, from the get-go, in this scenario she is really dishonoring the implied contract of p4p. So things do not bode well.

If she is operating under the erroneous conception that I'm the "roll over and play dead" patsy that her ex-husband was; and thus decides not to play fair -- I will unleash unholy terror upon her.

In other words, play nice with me, and I play nice with you. Make me miserable, and you're in trouble.

My first wife thought she would play these games. She would file crap claiming I was planning to sacrifice offspring in Satanic rituals, baseless concerns about my sanity, etc. Then she would withhold visitation, file baseless restraining orders, fail to honestly report her income and all kinds of the standard crap too many men have to live with.

I fired my lawyer who was too afraid of his reputation to REALLY fight; and handled things myself.

When there was a libelous statement in one of her filings; I would file a civil suit for libel against her and her attorney.

When she would deny visitation, I would file a motion for contempt to try and throw her into jail AND a separate lawsuit for mental cruelty.

When she lied on an application for a restraining order and failed to fully report her income, I filed a complaint for perjury and then again sued her (over the restraining order) for mental anguish because it kept me from the offspring.

In practice, a lot of that stuff was thrown out. Judges feel that if it even PERTAINS to a marital filing that they don't want to see it or that it is "already being handled under the current case."

But I can be a persistent bastard when pressed.

She DID end up in the slammer for contempt for a couple of days, and also went through hell with the perjury charge. (That was a long row to hoe because the DA had bigger fish to fry so I had to learn a few tricks). I also won one of the mental anguish suits.

The bottom line is I didn't roll over and play dead. I never INITIATED such shenanigans; but everytime she would lie, withhold, or obfuscate I would come back at her hard.

Sorry. I'll be chivalrous so long as she is a lady. But when she starts lying, she has surrendered her right to chivalry and is treated just as I would a man.

Ultimately, I made her misbehavior so costly to her in every way that she is STILL shell-shocked over a decade later. She signed the marital settlement agreement that I wrote without even reading it.

So whether I would sue for full custody and otherwise rain hell upon the woman is completely dependent on HER fair-mindedness.

I really HATE having to be an asshole. But if I am forced into a corner so I have to be one to protect myself or an innocent child -- I'll fully commit to the complete Asshole Experience.

If a woman is preggers, WHOEVER'S name she put on the birth certicifate is the legal father until HE proves he's not. That's the law and your personal viwes won't matter at all. Just who the father really is. And if it's yours, yes you will be required to pay child support until the cild is 18.

This isn't a perfect world.

Why are well informed established supposedly educated savvy attractive INTELLIGENT hobbyist on here freaking out over a what if a provider gets knocked up by a hobbyist?

I have never seen some of yall flipping out like this on any topic....what the hell?

Yall are HILARIOUS, and some of yall need to be ashamed of yourselves. You stick your hot love pole in providers all the time...and it is fun until someone ends up in a life changing situation...then you want to freak out? Well babyboy if it bothers you that much...get your tube snipped OR STOP FUCKING PROVIDERS YUP.... TAKE YOUR HORNY ASS HOME!  

What would make ANY hobbyist think a provider wants to carry, or raise a baby by a hobbyist? That would be a nightmare for us as well....grown ass MATURE women are not thrilled at the prospect of having to tell a NSA partner she is pregnant, then having to make a decision to go through with the pregnancy or have an abortion, then having to take on the unbelievably stressful lifetime commitment of being a single parent...add to all that drama our baby daddy is married, running to the hither parts of the globe, faking his own death, all because he does not have the balls to take his portion of the responsibility of properly rearing a child,....how wonderful does that sound?

And LET'S be perfectly clear here.....many many many ladies are never married, no kids and pulling in 250-500K a year so what exactly is so attractive about YOUR WALLET? What responsible MATURE provider would hang up her thong for a man who is never going to be a proper father for her child? Again what would make a hobbyist think we are all scheming up ideas about how to get this condom off this man so I can have his baby!!???? Yeah we are all going to get right on that! Take 9 months off and no telling how long after we have your bundle of joy and give up our income for YOUR WALLET? Ok ummmmmm yeah whatever!

You don't want a hooker raising your child? WONDERFUL WE DONT WANT A TRICK RAISING OUR KIDS EITHER!

You send a check once a month, until our love child is an adult and out of college GREAT!! WE GET TO DEAL WITH THIS LITTLE BAD ASS OFFSPRING OF YOURS EVERYDAY ALL DAY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE! ADD TO IT SINCE YOU ARE ALREADY GETTING YOUR BOXERS IN A KNOT OVER THE THOUGHT OF IT...I KNOW JR IS GOING TO NEED YEARS OF THERAPY BC HE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY HIS DAD IS A DEADBEAT? How does that benefit a provider?


Lets all go back to a dirty version of 3rd grade:

When two people decide to FUCK! FUCK ok not do a rub and tug...we are talking putting your penis into her vagina....

There will always be the risk of the provider is going to get pregnant. Condoms slip off, condoms break, all sorts of crazy shit happens during a session.

1. The original post posits a hypothetical provider who informs a hobbyist that he's going to be the father of her offspring.

This, in and of itself, is really an unbelievable thing. Providers do not WANT the children of hobbyists by and large. If they did, they'd marry them.

BUT -- that is the hypothetical posed. So that is what I am working from.

2. I STRONGLY believe that children have the best shot in life with the active involvement of their biological father. A father is NOT just a sperm donor and a check. He has much other of value to contribute.

Therefore, IF a provider were to bear my offspring I would EXPECT to be fully involved as a co-parent with JOINT PHYSICAL CUSTODY.

Believe me, this would be very costly to me in a bunch of different realms. It would hurt a lot of people. But unlike adults, who have choices, CHILDREN DO NOT.

3. I would treat a person with fairness and dignity so long as they treated ME with fairness and dignity.

But I would not tolerate someone standing between myself and real-time contributions to offspring.

NOBODY who treats me fairly and equitably EVER has anything to fear from me.

4. I have gone through hell before with an ex-wife who wanted to ice me out of MY child's life. NOT because it was in the child's best interests, but in order to deliberately inflict retribution and pain on me for imagined wrongs.

After taking and taking and taking for years I finally fought back hard. She deserved what she got.

Now, retrospectively, she is actually thankful for what I did. And my offspring is thankful too.

As long as I was treated fairly and equitably, there would be no issues.

But if she started this CRAP like my ex-wife did about me using offspring as a virgin sacrifice to Satan and other garbage -- she could expect me to fight back hard.

5. Providers and hobbyists have choices.

I would MUCH prefer that a provider NOT bring a child of mine into this world. I see some providers from far away and dealing with that could and would be a logistical nightmare.

AND -- I believe that 99.999% of providers would NOT bring a hobbyist's child into the world.

But -- for the hypothetical described; I would absolutely enforce JOINT PHYSICAL CUSTODY (which is NOT the same thing as taking someone's kid away).

6. Men too easily roll over and play dead and allow themselves to be fathers just 4 days out of 30.

If a woman is gonna make me a daddy; she had best be prepared for me to have our child(ren) 15 days out of 30 or there's gonna be a fight.

If this hypothetical woman is unprepared to deal with such terms, she should strongly re-consider whether she wants to bear my offspring.

My offspring come with a string attached. ME.

7. If all she wants is sperm; mine is frozen in a special sperm bank in CT. I can give her the selection parameters that will increase the odds that she'll get mine.

Again -- this is the response to an extremely remote hypothetical.

I'd want to be actively involved in the child's life.

Just as you don't want provider's stereotyped as being after a guy's wallet; men shouldn't be stereotyped as not wishing involvement with their offspring.

As you know -- I prioritize my offspring very highly.

Being a good guy has it reWARDS, but I am happy you got rid of that ex., she sounds like one twisted bitch. That said, it has always been a truism: "momma's baby, daddy's maybe." Its great to be a father, but your rewards come from being a dad.

Oh No...I have just fallen in love...what a brilliant post. Ya gave it to the man this time Allure. Hope some troll doesn't come on and accuse you of being a man hating, angry woman. I love your spirit!!!!!

WOW...what a fantastic and unexpected attitude from this board...you are one in a million and you are dead right...I would not want a hobbyists baby.

There was a point, which was amplified later that there is BBFS going on.

Once BBFS goes on we are not talking about reasonable precautions against possible consequences.

I still hold that because of the P4P conditions and the need for the women (an idiot in this case) to bear the responsibility for her body,  as a tool/product (sorry for the impersonalization of your bodies ladies). Of course, hasn't it always been that way?!

You could easily try to argue that there is little difference in two consenting adults engaging in either CFS or BBFS, and you'd be right. However, I  will always hold that as soon as he sticks it in uncovered he is assuming equal responsibility.

I agree with johngaltnh about the need for co-parenting and involvement... the likelihood that she would have the child... etc. Even tougher is the question of what to do if she wants to have the child and he doesn't, or worse, the other way around...

STDs aside, this is all the more reason for both parties to be using protection.

There is nothing on earth that makes a provider any less fit as a parent than anyone else just because of her occupation.

How she is treated should be based, exclusively, on her own behavior as an individual. Occupation has nothing to do with it.

and I tire of that implication. I offer PSE, but you bet a condom is required.

Um,  thanks for the warning dude...


Jayzus.....

I think he would have moved to the very top of most providers DNS list otherwise.

Intelligent People are SEXY
(Allure & Johngalthnn)

If you go to your favorite restaurant, place your order and  the waitress while delivering your meal slips, falls, and breaks their leg.  Are you responsible?  Or if the chief cuts or burns themselves, are you responsible?  In each of these cases, they are harmed providing a service to you, knowing that there is a chance of something happening to them.  That is part of what they are being paid for.  If a provider gets into an auto accident while coming to see you, are you responsible?  We would all be sorry for these "service providers" mishaps while providing some service.