Some trends over the years that I have noticed:
1.  Many more guys want, as part of their session, DATY than say 20-30 years ago
2.  In the last 5 years, more guys are even into some DATO
3.  Obviously, many more girls shave part or all of their pussy

Taboo for open minded.

When I first played this game more than 20 years ago I loved to DATY.  And it was the first time I tried DATO.  As for shaving, most girls trimmed back then but very few were bald.  What's going on today among many porn stars and providers is pubic hair is back.  A good friend I played with on New Years Eve afternoon has a luxuriant bush, but only above her lady parts.
As for the history of sex, yes, people have been giving each other head for centuries, if not millenia.

At age 16; a willing, naked female is all I dreamed of, or could humbly ask for. By age 21 the common accessories of hosiery and heels started coming into the picture. Age 25 and my taste for landing strips, Brazilians or hard wood floors had developed. Around age 30 the idea of anal penetration had seeded in my head. By age 40 DATO was no longer extraordinarily profane, and by age 50 my partner using toys, strap-ons etc on me with the possible inclusion of another female in our debauch seemed perfectly normal or acceptable.  

...obviously. Whatever is going on now has been going since then. Each generation thinks they invented sex probably because they can't imagine their parents doing it. Seems you can't imagine Abe getting a BJ either. I differ. Check out the Lincoln Memorial in DC. Abe is relaxing in a lush, deep seated easy chair. They ran out of stone otherwise you would have seen Mary on her knees, head buried in Abe's lap.

Check out the walls in Pompeii if you want to see how Romans spent their leisure time.  Must have been a lot of sucking and rimming going on then.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if archaeologists have found cave drawings made by a cave man wanting his dick sucked. The first porno ?

Personal hygiene products, trimming, shaving/waxing, even "bleaching" of backside 'taint' has made once "profane" practices practically ‘vanilla’.

In my experience, the older the dude, the longer he wants to stay down there. Guys my age do it very infrequently, if at all. That said, hobby guys my age are MUCH more likely to go down than civvie guys my age.  

One of the first things I learned in Sexuality Studies was that the Egyptians devised one of the earliest vibrators. What they'd do is take some beeswax, mold it into a sort of cone/egg shape, and fill it with several bees before sealing it with more wax. Shake it up a bit and voila! Instant vibrator.

Holding , kissing , touching , talking ( softly , dirty ) ...making love , fucking yup ! And holding her after , smelling her hair , her body the aroma of sex in the room .......yes , but dropping down and licking away ? Ummmm rarely ! And I think it goes both ways , several women older than me who I met were like eat my pussy ? I was like ??? NO....lol..here and in civvie land ....but on accession with a girl I've gotten to know .......yes and I'm good , found that g spot and with fingers and tongue , had brunch ....and her moans and O almost crushed my head as her legs clamped around at time of impact !  

I was a teenager. There is something about DATY and the reaction from a woman's O that is enjoyable to me.

who believe their act so well, they forget that this is theater with audience participation.

Oh well, at least take it as a sign that you're doing your job well.

now that I can't ride for an hour, I am looking for 45 - 55(58) mins of foreplay! I even rimmed the other day! Never ever thought I'd be doing that! I guess I will eat anything that is HOT & less than half my age.

Are very into oral on them, not so much on me. The older they are, the more they get into it.

Some young guys are just selfish, but I think most are intimidated and don't know what to do down there. From my experience in my youth, most young ladies are too shy and self-conscious to tell guys they want it and how to do it. I did it but didn't love it until I was in a post-college LTR where we totally clicked in the sexual realm and really got into exploring every inch of each other.  

In addition, I find guys are adding more and more and MORE to the standard GFE, which was not this inclusive years ago. Back in the day GFE included kissing, daty, bbbj, sex of course, but it did NOT include mult pops in a fkin hour... y'all did that bs, and I would never consider that GFE, but PSE. Now, you hear guys claiming that rimming and anal are part of GFE and should not be extra... ha, get real.  

You are right, Streetwalkers & blow & go girls are what they are. Cheap & Fast! But when one starts paying serious money for the same thing, one would expect more of a fantasy "girlfriend" experience, regardless of marital status. However, I agree that girlfriend experience needs to start & stop within the hour and Greek & rimming are extra (unless you truly enjoy it), but I'm not sure msog (2) should be an issue. IMHO, if you're not able to provide that you're in the wrong profession. When I pay good money, I'm looking for one hour of pure girlfriend and most of my experiences have lived up to that. Otherwise, lefty & righty would suffice.

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enjoyed DATY before there was an acronym for it; even before I ever put my cock in a pussy in my teens.. I still enjoy it and I'm older than dirt.

I sell my body, not my fkin soul here, and you are very naive to think anyone else is doing anything other than that. I did not say I "wish" I were in the same position as a SW or BnG girl, except when some of the nut jobs start STALKING us, because of the bs illusion you know as GFE. NO amount of money is worth you invading our PERSONAL lives when we are NOT being paid. You are right.. you should get what you pay for WHEN you pay for it.. not before and after, which sounds like what you want, or you would not have taken such an issue with my post. Sorry to burst that bubble of naivety you seem to live in lol, but I just can't help it. Some of you are plain NUTS!  

Just curious  LOL

I have the utmost respect for you & all the gals in your profession. And I do understand that it is a very tough one. I do know a couple providers on a personal level & have heard the horror stories. With that being said, it is the profession you chose....seeing strangers for sex. Most understand you are fucking the money and they are fucking the fantasy, but there are others that think they have "bought" & not "rented" the provider. If I offended you in the previous post, I did not mean to.

Again, a comment I find absurd coming from a guy who has never walked in these shoes. A doctor, lawyer, and nurse also CHOOSE their profession, and I would not tell them they are in the wrong business just because they voiced an opinion about various forms of bs and manipulation they had to endure whilst on the job, nor would I tell them to "find another job." This is NOT my profession if we are being honest... 4-6 hours a month of work, is far from a profession. Fact is, this business takes all kinds, and MANY providers don't even fk you at all, much less twice in a damn cheap hour. Some ONLY do massage and hj, some only dance with NO contact... are they in the wrong business? I think not.  

I think you blaming only the men in this hobby for expanding what is termed GFE is way off base.  Forget the stalking part - men have been falling in love with escorts and vice versa since the beginning of time.  It is a natural consequence of intimacy, especially considering the weak minds of many who post here.  There will always be the problem of chemistry and inate attraction that causes people to lose sight of reality.  After all, what is love but insanity?  

Can you name some good ones? I've read one, but it was from a scientific (evolutionary) perspective and not a cultural one.

from agency owner, to screener, to provider, I can assure you I speak for a lot of women lol. If you think for one second they would hand you half your money back if you only popped once (Other than Cosette lol) think again... point made. I did not say anyone was 'forced' into a thing.. I said without GFE, this shit would not be an issue, and you are wrong to say that quickie 15 min. providers have to deal with the same intimacy illusion that full on multi hour GFE providers do... that's bs. There is NO INTIMACY in a damn quickie date. You drop your pants, she blows you, and you're out the door. GFE providers are inviting some of you into their personal homes, where their children sleep, and most of you don't even give a shit about that. I would run for the hills knowing that.  

It must really piss you off to know I have 10 pages of reviews though, eh? And, that some guys are still paying my rate? Ooopsie. Trust me... if I had to deal with fktards like YOU, I would have quit long ago, but luckily we mature women (not children you tend to fk with) have brains in our heads that allow us to avoid the likes of you. Again, why are you so bent out of shape if my post did not hit a nerve within YOU?  

We actually try to be nice to them. If you think that GFE acting messes someone up...you should see what happens when we actually try to do them a genuine act of kindness.  

There is no time limit on intimacy or human sexual relations.  Sure a 15 minute blow and go is not going to be a very personal or intellectual of a meeting, but there is nothing more intimate and trusting of a relationship than sticking your dick into a strange woman's mouth - she could seriously injure a guy.  Still I promise you there are probably hundreds of men who fell in love in that circumstance; I agree that is seriously weak minded.  

Hey hey hey! How did I get into this conversation!

that you have such high standards...most guys I know (in their 20s) wouldn't exactly run from the chance to be with a hot thirty-something woman  

But, please understand, I am a total gentleman when I meet you. I can & have seen ladies in their 30's (even if a previous post suggested otherwise). However, I am at the age where one hour with a provider will require more than just fucking for an hour, hence, the GFE. Most, if not all, the providers I've seen want me to repeat. The ones that allow my GFE fantasy get the call back & it becomes very mutually beneficial.

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If some of you knew what was said behind the scenes, you would know I speak the truth for a very high majority. Not all of course, and we are mixing words here. I know that the acronyms have been around a long time... but the GFE shit was NOT. The term did not appear until INTERNET hobbying and review boards, to which I was commenting on. So, you saying that has been around forever is not accurate.  

I would rather a guy didn't go down on me at all rather than go down on me for 30+ minutes. That shit starts to get raw after a while. Just my $.02.  

You are exactly the type of guy that we raise our rates/time minimums to avoid. Dolt.

For those bitching about getting sore, bare in mind you get sore because you aren't into it. I have licked girls for the better part of 30mins and that's when they give me their juices typically.

All this BS about eating pussy? What next will "they" attempt to guide you all in?

Just fuck 'em and bail. Allow them their shallow rewards lol

When I'm paying be prepared to get your eye sockets fucked loose or get an appropriate review

I agree with a lot, but not all, of what you say.  Where I agree with you is GFE is totally different than the way it used to be.  Back then, you went to a cat house and picked out a girl.  She took you to a room where you got naked and only then was $$ exchanged.  The sex was good but there was no OTC stuff (well, almost none, because some things were possible.  I had to fend off a couple of girls who wanted to date outside "the office.").  There was no kissing and CBJ only (though rare exceptions).  And, of course, there was no texting because that didn't exist.
And it's certainly true the myths propounded by GFE lead some guys to believe the fantasy when they should not.
That's where we part company.  First of all, you say our "wives" should be our ATFs.  That's pretty naive for a big girl like you.  Also, what about guys like me who are single?  Last, I don't consider my ATF my hooker girl friend.  I just consider her my all-time favorite to fuck.  And that's all it's supposed to mean.
That said, one of the great surprises of the new version of this game is that you actually can be friends with certain, select girls (and mongers).  The girls you've fucked and then gotten to know.  I'm really lucky to have more than a handful of girls who are pals, and one of whom I no longer fuck (she has an LR-sized pussy, lol!).  But I really like her and we share all kinds of stories, not all about fucking.  
I don't do "eye gazing and face stroking" either.  But I do get involved in horse play and general kidding around.  It doesn't mean either of us are infatuated with one another beyond the moment. And, actually, my dear, you and I have never met but we've shared a lot BC and I'm happy to call you a friend.  Remember you're supposed to meet me and my partner-in-crime in CR some day.  I promise not to stroke your face or put in more than the first six inches.  LOL!


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Yup, and anyone with so many whitelists as he 'claims' would not have to hide behind an alias. My bet... 200 dollars at most, and expects the kitchen sink for that rate, and they must be under 25, spinner variety. Just call me psychic. His bs claim about seeing you next week is another moronic statement only an idiot would make. I know who you see ha ha ha ha ha, because I am usually the one TELLING you how great they are before you take the plunge.  

Ok d*ck, you get a pass because I like you lol, and know you are not the typical dipshit I was referring to in my post. I am sorry, but the ATF hooker shit bothers me. Don't take offense to that, because you are far from the stalker type and have had MANY ATFs through this duration. You know who I am talking about when it comes to that shit. Stop playing dumb lol.

They come up with a wondrous device called a "bidet" to keep one's posterior stink-nugget free; then they let the hair under their arms go wild while forgetting to bathe altogether.

I love clients who enjoy having sex without expecting a love connection and they still treat me with respect, not like a blow and go. Good fun!

...a result of women shaving.  I love going down on a shaved pussy.  A fuzzy one, not so much...  Just my 2 cents...

they fight with their feet, and fuck with their face!

Do as Mr. Goodbar says

I had a companion take me there as part of a date, and it was both fun and informative.  There is some freaky shit there, but nothing sets the mood quite like that.

A valiant effort at freaking me out, but I screen way better than that.

Pretty sure you don't know what makes a vagina sore, for obvious reasons. So BEAR that in mind.  

.quite as entertaining as you do lol

Stalk much? Lmao

Well, as my handle suggests, I love DATY, and can say that 20 years ago I was just as eager to please as I am now.  I think everybody's tastes, young/old, etc. differs.  And I agree, if the girl doesn't like it, the guy's probably doing something very wrong.
 

There are obviously a million and one, but here is a good one:

You're trying to upstage a hooker by bringing up a fictional whitelist that doesn't show up on your alias...so I presume it's on your other handle...but you're afraid to post with that handle.

And here you are suggesting that you have seen...or will see her again.  Drop the vaporizer and try some vodka instead  LOL

LMAO... just too fkin easy, aint it? Happy New Year, Sausage and Peppers boy.  

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And here you are suggesting that you have seen...or will see her again.  Drop the vaporizer and try some vodka instead  LOL  
   
 Keep up your posting here mon capitan....since you created this alias only a month ago it's just a matter of time before you'll need a new one  LOL  
   
 Keep up the posts...you've got a solid lock on those 2014 SPOTY's  

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I'm the same way.  I went down on my first GF in college at 18 and I loved it.  She did too.  She was in my room or I in hers every night for several months straight

I suspect that captain7 may indeed be a guy like that.

Posted By: London Rayne

LMAO... just too fkin easy, aint it? Happy New Year, Sausage and Peppers boy.  
   

Posted By: ChgoCPA

And here you are suggesting that you have seen...or will see her again.  Drop the vaporizer and try some vodka instead  LOL  
     
  Keep up your posting here mon capitan....since you created this alias only a month ago it's just a matter of time before you'll need a new one  LOL  
     
  Keep up the posts...you've got a solid lock on those 2014 SPOTY's    
   
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Ding ding- First runaway thread of the year!
 

This thread is living proof if LR's is not an outlier opinion. And we have two guys here arguing the other side.

You get less coherent and more irrelevant by the day, dude.  

I've always enjoyed giving DATY, even as a teenager.  Yes, the experience (for me) is a little more enjoyable if the girl has a shaved/trimmed/bald pussy.  But I'm ok on it even with some bush.

One of my favorite providers (surprisingly) does not have DATY on her menu.  She truly finds that it "doesn't do anything" for her, and more or less will direct activities in some other direction if you "go there".  This has nothing to do with me, or some lack of skill on my part (I think I'm pretty good at it)--it's just a blanket policy with her.

Truthfully, I think there's a high correlation between women who "just aren't into cunnilingus" and those who've used a lot of toys--especially vibrators and Hitachis and the like.  I've even had civvie GFs (or just fuck-buddies) who have told me that at some point they "burned out" on those devices, and it made it much more difficult to get to The Big O with an actual partner, especially if they had only been "intimate" with toys for long periods.  Some of those friends felt forced to quit using the toys, so as to better enjoy the experience of "real sex".

In short, sometimes when the woman isn't getting off, it's not her partner's fault.

So, one of my coworkers looks like what I imagine Cleopatra would have looked like. Now when I'm in meetings with her I'll be watching her beautiful DSL's while she talking, thinking about her blowing 100 men, that's awesome

I wish I'd had gone to school with you. Wow! Sexual Studies, what a great elective. Where were those classes when I was in College?

I understand that you alter your photos because of your ink and it seems to me the journey down to your kitty would be one to take slowly and admire the scenery, and then the promised land.... mmmmm, I think I like it

Maybe its like broccoli.  You either have the gene that causes you to like it or you don't, in which case you hate it.  HA HA.  You just have to find the perfect match to make it work, but when you do, and the girl really enjoys it, NOTHING can be more pleasing or satisfying in my book than performing an extended DATY session on her. Any ladies out there that have the gene?
 

When I was 20 something I had a girlfriend who cum when we fucked, but she would squirt a huge amount when she came when I was eating her out. We always had to place a towel down. I always had a towel in my car just in case. I loved it.

I used to sell adult novelties, and quite honestly, I believe that self-stimulation overrides the desire of being pleased with a partner.  I, too, for 5 years only used toys many light years ago AND it had no bearing on whether I could be fully intimate with a partner.  Most women don't even know their bodies and what they can do ... you have no idea how many women I have educated while in that business as well as this one.  It is all about being comfortable with yourself and allowing yourself to relax and receive.

And I do see a long list of great reviews for LR. Gosh, I wonder who's on the up and up here? I wonder who is being real, and who is hiding behind a computer screen? The proof of a pie is in the pudding. Just sayin.

It's fools like you that make clients like me look like a great client. It makes me very happy to know that you guys are out there.

back at college in the 80's, I could not get enough DATY.  Granted, I started out going straight for the kitty, but very quickly learned how to take my time, and earn an O or two before getting to the meat of the matter.  Years later I found out an ex GF pointed one of her bridesmaids my way at her wedding because she knew her girlfriend had a thing for guys with great oral skills.  

I'd just love to know (on second thought, maybe I wouldn't) what 'allow my GFE fantasy' entails...especially since it's so 'mutually beneficial'. From the sound of it it's something most girls aren't into.