I'd post this on the S&P if I knew what exactly to suggest. But I don't.

I'm sure I'm not the only client who sometimes wants a really good massage as well as a happy ending to it. At other times, of course, I'm looking for a GFE experience.

So in a sane world, I would expect ads offering "quality body work," "Tantra," even "Real Massage" to be the places to go. But few of these really pan out. Too often I've booked with a provider whose idea of a great massage is 5 of 10 minutes of a back rub, the flip, and the main course.

The problem is, clients don't usually complain because they end up having a good time so WTF.

But if you DO want a long, slow, skilled massage, followed by whatever else is on the menu, it's very difficult to find. "Massage Quality" is subjective, and usually based on how soon the cock winds up in her mouth rather than on how skilled she is as a masseuse.

And TER ratings mean nothing. Women who offer the very finest GFE experience might know nothing about giving a real massage, and as long as that isn't a main selling point, that's fine.

A good massage requires SKILL, maybe CMT of Tantra training, maybe just an intuitive knowledge of deep tissue work, circulation manipulation, and how to work knots out of muscles.
A massage requires EFFORT, and can be very hard work actually. The masseuse isn't really expected to get turned on sexual (real or faked) while giving the massage. She might enjoy how well she's relaxing the client and take artistic pride in her ability, but her focus has to be on the effect she's having on the client's body.

One masseuse even put inordinate pressure directly on the spine, and I had to tell her stop. We moved on to the "making out like teenagers" phase, and...

I wish we could just compile a list of providers with the knowhow and intention of giving their own unique style of total body relaxation and who warrant selling that as part of their service.

Any ideas as to how we might sort the real masseuses out?

And, ladies, if you think I'm asking too much of providers, let me know.

or you can check out Angie's List.

I found a licensed medical massage therapist through Angie's List and she's great!  

also, my insurance pays for 2 monthly visits, I go in once a week, so I pay for the other 2 visits. it's worth it!

looking for real legitimate licensed medical massage therapists here on TER is not the place for it

m in the Philly area, and there are a couple of places that I go for a real massage, like Mandarin Wellness spa.  The is even a bar over the table, so that the lady can hold on while walking on your back.  Another lady in the Wilmington area is an actual CMT, and also a certified GFE.

But over the years, I've found a number of providers who can and do the level of quality you are looking for.  Some only do a HJ finish, but others go further up to FS.

It's been hunt and peck however; and it helps to be clear with them on what you want.  Some I've been able to tutor to improve their massage skills.  Towards that end, giving them a massage and pointing out what works and what doesn't really helps.

Most hobbyists are not real massage connoisseurs, so you won't learn too much from their reviews.  If you want a good massage and sexual extras, an AMP is often the way to go, though that can also be pot luck too. Of course from a security point of view, AMPs are problematic these days, alack.

If it's just a real good massage you want, then a legit massage place with licensed CMTs is the way to go.  After you can go find a good GFE experience.

There are two fairly good spas in my general area. Neither includes FBSM or just the happy ending. That's all right and when it's a therapeutic matter only, I'm happy with them. I guess if I ventured more into the AMP world I might find something, but I've had just enough disappointments with them to pretty much write them off. And there are two independent masseuses I know of, but neither are within an hour from home.

They DO exist though, but just finding someone close or someone new seems so chancy.

So you want a cmt massage with a happy ending. Ask on your home board and you might get some good leads. A TER search could help, but you will have to sift thru many reviews to find what you want. I have found a few in my area that way. Good luck!

Not always of course but it is the possibly only way to give a really good massage and get your body into it.  

I offer body work as well and have a table. Not as "romantic" as a bed but a better massage and even better access to the man parts. Don't mind my glutes fondled either while massaging...lol.

One thing...if you want GFE, please pay for it. I loath tricks who want the body work and then push for FS...with no indication of reaching for the wallet first. And then there are some days when I don't want a penis poking me in the lady parts and just want to stick to body work.

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but most of these are legit (though I do have my favorite "fun" places too).
If you want to get more detailed info (including reviews) on the thousands upon thousands of massage options avaiable (legit, HE, FS), you are best off looking in other places than TER.  Info is just a few keystrokes away...

As far as the FBSM/GFE thing goes, most ladies will offer a 2-hour session and if I tell them I want an hour of really good massage followed by an hour GFE, they get the picture. Some speak up if they aren't that much into massage, a lot just treat it like, wink, wink, "Yeah, I know what you're here for." It's harder to sound them out than it should be. Pawing while she's trying to do her work seems counterproductive, and I prefer to keep Act One separate from Act Two with maybe a wine and chat Intermission. That usually goes smoothly, and I'm always straight with the money. Without prior discussion, the GFE 2-hr rate is usually okay. If it's too high, I just check out another ad.

Point is, sometimes a client wants to relax with wine and conversation. Sometimes with a longer than usual make out phase, clothed or not, sometimes with a mutual shower or ritualistic bathing, and sometimes with an hour of deep tissue massage. Knowing there's an Act Two might make it exciting, but it also helps allow the moment to be enjoyed for what it is.

There are good suggestions already posted but a lot of it comes down to what you are willing to pay and are you willing to invest the time it takes to get a good connection and 'train' a provider as to what you want.

You might find a great provider with enough training and intuiting to read what you want but my experience is that you have to give a lot of feedback to get the right therapeutic experience. Some think 'deep tissue' = elbows on your spine or leaving bruises while others simply don't have the strength or training necessary. The ones with enough strength can be dangerous if they aren't properly trained.

I'd think it's easier to find someone you click with from an extras/GFE standpoint and work with them to improve the massage part than the other way around. If you are attractive and charming enough (and/or have money to burn) you could 'flip' a legit masseuse but that realistically requires a fair amount of luck. At that point you might as well get a SO who will do what you want.

Parlors are an option but in most cases, the only ones who know what they are doing are older and not as conventionally attractive. The younger/hotter ones who also know massage well can find better work elsewhere so you end up with an either/or situation. If you can find beauty/attraction based on less narrow criteria, you could find some real gems.

It also depends on how frequently you want the experience. Three-four times/year make it tough for anyone to maintain consistency, while twice a week could lead to over-familiarity. If you do mutual exchange, you can accelerate the process by demonstrating what you like (or not).

It's not an unreasonable request, but realize you are asking for the whole package in some ways, which isn't cheap. Excellence costs.

... but it can take some time and effort on your part.  But it's worth it!  First, you can easily search on providers who offer "awesome" massage.  But that is in itself no guarantee.  You also need to pour over reviews.  That's how I found several providers who offer great massage along with many other services.  Over time I've picked up on other reviewers who tend to seek high-quality massage, and thus I make a point of reading their reviews.  

Using this process, I've found a wide variety of providers who are highly skilled at massage.  Some are CMTs/LMTs (really--not just advertised as such).  Some are not certified/licensed but have been doing massage for many years and know what they're doing.  These ladies can give me a top-notch therapeutic massage when I want it, but know other forms as well, from sensual/light touch to various forms of B2B, including nuru.

My ATF gives an exceptional massage--which is one of the reasons she's my ATF.  But she does so many other things well, I often don't get much massage time with her.  

I don't know if compiling a list of providers who offer massage would help that much.  Each of us has his/her own ideas of what constitutes a "great massage"; I think it might be more useful to just do a little research and find the providers who offer exactly what YOU want for massage.

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The quirk with "Massage Quality -- Awesome" is that if the reviewer doesn't really care that much about the massage part, he'll remember that she felt him up and played with balls and for him that's awesome. Almost like instead of YMMV there ought to be a YPMV-- Your Perception May Vary. But, yeah, I agree with you. This thread is giving me some good ideas as to better ways to search.  

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Yep, you probably should move...

Vegas is unique in it's transient nature. Typically most people looking for an amazing session are limited on time. Trying to incorporate all the things you describe is quite frankly a lot of work and most providers aren't willing to tax themselves like that to give a session you'll remember a year later. This is my goal, I've been doing bodywork going on four years now and really enjoy and connect with my clients. Having an erotic dance background, being an intuitive healer and modeling professionally for many years (I know it's not part of the job description but the guys seem to like it) this is something I naturally took a fondness to. I do maintain boundaries because it's healthy to do so. But honestly I've been asked by many why I don't offer FS or GFE, I smile and say because I don't have to. When you offer something rare people seek you out, most of my clients are referrals and then I have those that see me year after year. I advertise as Nuru but do not use the gel, I researched it before trying and found that most would not want to heat their rooms enough to make the gel fun. What you see in the videos is what you'll get sans penetration.  I make this clear, I may change it up as I learn but for now I am content doing bodywork sessions, It is entertaining the ones who will seek you out expecting more without even knowing what your session entails, my price point is on target as I don't want to be that intimate for any less.        

The majority of the hour spent is doing body to body and working your legs to your neck thoroughly,  if I find a spot I go in with my hands but still maintain body contact.  This keeps it fun and sensual and always keeps you in a deep state of relaxation.  About 15 minutes is spent doing Tantra to get the blood flowing and awaken the nerves, this is done Vegas style and will gauge your responses, too often I've heard of providers droning on about the technique and boring their client. Mine is done in a way that it maintains the sensual and therapeutic aspects without boring you or making you feel uncomfortable.  
What you are looking for is a niche market and finding providers that really enjoy what they do and give an incredible experience that's both therapeutic and sensual in nature is tough. I wish you well in your hunt.

There are times when I don't want to mix the two and if the john does, I hope he makes that clear from the get go.  

I was more referring to guys who pay for FBSM and want FS items thrown in, not what you are proposing...which if amenable sounds perfectly wonderful.

As far as FBSM I see it as an actual massage with the happy ending HJ, if I like the guy it can go to BJ but I draw the line at him wanting FS stuff like daty. I do not mind a reverse massage but don't just go for the goods like one would in FS. I play fair and get annoyed when I see someone pushing, I tend to push back.

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But you're right about the droning on. I prefer music or the sounds of nature. It's difficult to turn off the mind while engaged in conversation.

Im a FBSM provider and I'm well reviewed on TER

I think the key to giving a good massage or body rub is enjoying what you do
I do enjoy being able to make the stress tension melt out of a person back, neck and shoulders. And watching them slowly relax to the point of almost dozing off is very rewarding to me, and they must enjoy it cause they keep coming back to see me

Whenever I do mutual massage I always ask if I can massage the woman for the first hour. Because after she massages me, I don't want to do anymore work.

I'm trying to reform.

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