I had a provider once three minutes into the session of doing CBJ, tell me, "her 30mins was only for a CBJ for a few minutes, and if I wanted it to be session (sex), I'd have to pay additional fee." I did pay on the upsell, because I needed mines that morning, and I just happen to have the extra cash on me.

My concern is, what happens if this provider or another tried this on a guy who does not have the extra cash on him, and you think you're going to get away with performing a three minute CBJ, and now he's out of 160.00. I'm not an agrressive person, but I did tell her after the session was over, if she ever does that with the wrong guy you could have a serious problem on your hands.

What are your thoughts on providers who upsell? Do think it could be potentially dangerous?

You should have thought about your concern for others BEFORE you enabled the upselling girl by agreeing to her demands. Upselling, like 2 hour minimums, are just another disingenuous way for girls to charge and make more money off clients.

I will NOT see girls who charge extra for Greek or anything else for that matter.  Why oh WHY would you EVER pay to see a CBJ girl????   WHY???  I'd rather masturbate than pay for that worthless service.

For the most part, most guys on TER are in fact, gents.  I too have had this happen... and what I do?  I politely refuse the upsale (and I usually have a backup provider - just in case) and I leave... with the admonition that I will be posting a review.  Gals that do this - however, don't really care as they are not dependant upon the dedicated hobbiest for a living - they want and thrive on the "one offs" the quickie 150 or whatever... and they get plenty of takers... I do post the review and the TER dedicated will be protected... which is how it should be - and is the "value proposition offered by TER"

2 hour minimums are not disingenuous.  If a provider has that stipulation, I'm confident you'd know that going in.  Either that or you'd pass on seeing her.

Upselling is just one step away from being an outright ROB.

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I discovered TER and do research I have never had a provider upsell me.

Stipulating a girl's right to 2 hour minimums does not change the fact that it IS a disingenuous way for girls to charge and make more money.

Upselling is not a rob as if a girl has that stipulation, I'm confident that you can leave as soon as you find out she is upselling you. Upselling IS also a disingenuous way for girls to charge and make more money.

What you experienced was blatant upselling. I wouldn't buy. I dislike the practice intensely. There is a question though about to whom it might be dangerous. I wouldn't assume that a provider would have no means of dealing with a threat from an irate client. She may have "security" closer than you think.

The plausibly deniable upsell is never linked to services, but may show itself in hinting for unusually expensive tips or gifts. Can't quite call it an upsell, though. The ones who are really good at it keep their reputation and manage to suck some clients wallets dry.

A 2 hour minimum is a way for a girl to make more money at one time, sure.  Do I feel negatively towards such a provider?  No.  That's her prerogative to do so.

A 2 hour minimum is a way for a provider to filter out certain clients she may prefer not to see.  Though, mainly,  it allows both parties to relax and get to know each other while having a good time.  2 hour sessions are definitely better than a 1 hour session.  

Some providers like to enjoy themselves, too.  I know of one who posted not long ago saying she would no longer offer 1 hour appointments as they weren't worth it to her anymore and she decided that a 2 hour minimum was the way to go.

In conclusion, I disagree that a 2 hour min. is disingenuous.  It just not for every hobbyist.

I did not say that up-selling is a ROB, just that it's one step away from it, in my opinion.  Would you go see a provider knowing that she up-sells??  I wouldn't.  What provider is going to stipulate upfront that she up-sells?  

Provider: "It's $300 just for me to show up.  Everything else is extra."

Me: No, thank you.  Please, go fuck yourself.

The kind of provider who up-sells once your dick is hard is not a quality provider, in my opinion.

to make a connection, not just get my rocks off (although 2 hours does mean twice, at least). I've seen one with a 4 hour minimum. Outrageous, you say? I thought not. That was her minimum and I was all for it. Most guys won't go that long, and that is ok with her. We have had several outstanding sessions! Damn!

Some of us are so limited in our time and geography for hobbying that we migt have to go with providers who have upsell menus if we want to have variety.  Also, not everyone has the time or interest to read every review out there. And, the facts given above the review list are not always accurate.

I recently saw a Greek provider who gave no indication anywhere I could find that the service was an upsell.  As I was doing her vag doggie I stuck a finger in her ass and that's when she shrieked and said that was an extra c-note.  Horseshit!  I had no interest at that point.

Man, how big is your finger?

I did not say that I felt negatively towards girls with 2 hour minimums. I just said that it was disingenuous of girls to offer 2 hour minimums with an eye towards charging and making more money while simultaneously reducing the available time options to their clients. Just because it's a girl's prerogative to offer 2 hour minimums does not preclude that it's disingenuous of her to do so.

They figure out fast that the guys in the under 200 range usually don't check reviews and they can get them streaming in one after another.

As far as "safety" goes, the guys get really mad because it was a total rip off but that's usually about it.

I knew a provider when I first got started who would brag about making guys mad! Her reviews were terrible and she would still see 7 guys a day for a 10 minute hand job for $100 each. She rarely had repeats... but she did have a few! (wtf?) I learned a lot about what NOT to do from her.

These types of girls are opportunists. The used car dealers of the escort world. They do it because they can get away with it and know that a bad reputation doesn't affect them whatsoever... at least with the market they are targeting. They prey on the ignorance. Or someone in too big of a hurry to look them up. And they laugh about what they got away with behind your back.

But don't just bash the girls for being rip offs. There are plenty of nasty guys who have their own tricks (ripping the tip of the condom and sliding it down when the girl isn't looking so its bbfs, taking the money back for incall, using "washed bills" for payment, robbery, flat out rape, etc.). There are opportunists on both sides who get what they want at the expense of others.

I have to honestly say , that with all of the guys I have met, we need 2 hours to enjoy each other. You know the saying time sure flys when you're having fun? With us , it's true . I do not watch the clock , I let you lead on the time and all of my appointments are  2 + hours unless HE tells me he can only stay one hour. I don't understand , or see why anyone would have a minimum requirement. Although I do not travel outside
of my area unless it is 2 hours , it isn't something I push for, because if I did that , I might wind up spending time with someone who I am not enjoying . That can happen too.I always let the person know, hire is my 1 hr. Here is my 2 hour etc etc. I do ask that he bring enough to cover more than 1 hr if we are playing with open time and he is not sure how much time he wants so that is where we play it by ear and I clear my schedule for a couple of hours to be sure he has enough for extra time. One thing that is classless, tacky , and too street like is discussing a menu with a man. If you want to spend time with a gentleman , treat him as such and stop talking about menus and how much. I'd rather walk away from someone who wants to talk to me like this.

I gave her the extra money. But I then went "ghettogaggers" on her for couple minutes. And was little rougher in mish, then I usually am, and I made sure I used as much of the 60mins as possible.  After I finished she looked up at me with this "fu*k you" look, and I gave the look right back at her.

MSHSEX - what dou you mean by "disingenuous"?  Either we are using different definitions or I disagree.

We disagree LOL.

If a girl doesn't pretend for some other reason than charging and making more money when requiring a 2 hour minimum, then I agree that the girl is not being disingenuous.

I have yet to see a girl do that though. All I hear girls say is that the 2 hour minimum is needed to "establish a connection" and "create the proper ambiance" with her clients. Hence the girls are being disingenuous.

The exceptions are girls who have to travel a reasonably long (distance or time) ways for an appointment. In those instances, a 2 hour minimum is a reasonable requirement.

But for those girls who only have to travel a couple of blocks in Manhattan yet still require a 2 hour minimum? Those girls are being disingenuous.

I know I shouldn't think that was funny, but....

there is something and someone for every one... I gotta agree with you and Angelique both.  the real question is how do we get QA and QC into the mix... TER is supposed to help, but methinks that only a small percentage of ladies and gents use the tools out there to ensure less rip-offs........ newbies join the family here on TER every day... and I cannot begin to tell you of how few women know of ter... just too few

So until this hobby is decriminalized, you can continue to expect this to continue!

All the wives would be on here reading the posts saying, "That sound like my Jimmy!"

She was quite up-front about it and had some nice posts.  She'd caught her husband with a provider and was feeling hurt, but never blamed the provider and became fascinated with this "floating world." I liked her a lot.
There are probably other wives lurking on the boards but they don't surface.

I'm a gynecologist.

But she found out about what he was doing by googling the phone numbers in his phone bill and ladies websites and ads were popping up in the searches... along with links to TER reviews... that's how she got here!

I think most wives don't want to entertain the idea of their husband cheating without clear evidence like that or what happened with Maria Shriver. It would just be maddening to know how easy it is.

Ignorance is bliss!

Hi, I offer something that most girls dont, but I set my price so that everyone can see me without the greek.......but if they want it, it's extra.....I don't feel I'm trying to rip or rob anyone.....My hour session if filled with fun most enjoy fully & appreciate all that I do during the session, but some are very interested in the greek & I really feel I should get extra for doing it... I've listened to everyone & you make it sound really bad, which I understand that agencies send the girls out it's $200 for her to arrive, then every little thing is extra & that's no fun at all which I wouldn't ever ruin someone's time like that....How do u guys feel about what I've said....cuz it sounds like I would need to just make my initial price more (which leaves me to deal with many calls of guys haggleing cuz they want to see me but can't afford the higher price) or just exclude it all together.

on her price for a one hour session & she was willing to give you a 30minute quickie but not include all that she does in a full hour....
I don't let anyone haggle with me, it's the full hour price or goodbye....I just don't feel I should do all that I would in a full hour done in 30mins for the 30min price.
I don't think she was trying to upsell you. It really sounds like you called & talked her into a 30 minute session & maybe you should have gotten a better idea of what she was willing to do in a 30 min. session..