Maybe they don't expect DATY if they only give CBJs. If her pussy is safe enough for me to DATY, then my dick is safe enough for BBBJ. I won't see those providers, but was curious about those who do and then DATY.

One of my favorite providers does cbj's but loves daty, IF the datier knows what he or she is doing eg doesn't try to bite her clit off.  The cbj is because she doesn't like cim. Once she gets to know and trust you really well, so she knows you won't cim with her, she'll do bbbj.

most gals BBBJs, so more our of curiosity than anything else, I signed up for a date and sure enough it was true.  She has the most amazing tongue muscles of anyone I ever met, and the rest of her performance was also A1.

Most of my clients will go for DATY, even though I only offer CBJs. But I don't expect it and am not at all offended or disappointed if they don't.

You can play anyway you like... But I think you're missing the point here.  I don't think any of them expect DATY, regardless of whether they offer CBJ or BBBJ.  

I only hobby with ladies who BBBJCIM

Fortunately, I haven't run into any clients with less than stellar personal hygiene... But since I don't offer CIM, I don't want any surprises if I do a BBBJ.

and that is the one on the giving end is always at higher risk than the one who gets.

How are the 2 related again? AAgghhh ... I'm sooo confused. I don't do DATY for the provider, I do it for me because it's a huge turn on for me and I don't do it with every provider. CBJ? I try not to see those providers. I get it, it's their choice. Just as it's my choice to see the provider I want. My head hurts.

If a lady only gives cbj then you should only give daty with dental dams.
I personally would not see a provider with the cbj rule either.
So it should work both ways for either party.
 

Too bad we are writing rather than speaking, because it could then say it verrrrry slowly so that even you two dumb asses could follow it.  If you two need to, go back and read the OP slowly and even highlight it until you grasp the simple proposition. BTW, I have had the CBJ experience and choose not to see providers who don't offer BBBJ. Hope you guys can follow this reply.

It isn't a tit-for-tat kind of thing.  If a provider isn't comfortable with BBBJ, she doesn't have to do it.  If a client isn't comfortable with DATY, the client doesn't have to do it.  Should either party insist on a dental dam, that's their prerogative.  And, of course, if a client only wants a provider who offers BBBJ, then they're free to seek them out and ignore the rest.  

Some guys are in this just for the BJs. Some guys are all about DATY. Some have other specific preferences and proclivities. If people are happy with their engagements, then why give a shit?

I agree.  They are independent of one another. Research shows (and this can be verified on San Francisco City Clinic website) that risk of STD transmission is higher with BBBJ than with DATY. I give DATY and will receive BBBJ, but realize I am taking a risk.

with no anal, no CIM much less BBBJNQNS, and no 'two girl action,' I wonder how someone can be successful at your rates with such a limited menu. But the fact you're here so much might explain that? Just curious.

Let's call your OP for what it is... A thinly veiled judgement of those gals who provide CBJ and the guys who see them.  

If a provider like yourself wants to play safe.
Then everything should be done that way.
It's not about a tit for tat but the same standards for both parties on the date.

It's just a matter of how much risk each person wants to take on the date.

But my preference for CBJ over BBBJ isn't a matter of safety, it's a matter of comfort.  I simply don't like the taste of semen and would prefer to not have it in my mouth. Simple as that lol.

I won't see a girl who won't BBBJ. Ok, if they're not into CIM, I'll respect that and not be a dick and try to get one over on them and pop without warning them.

It was not intended to be "thinly veiled." It is about reciprocation and sharing during the encounter. If a provider thinks that her tongue is too clean to touch my bare dick, then my tongue is too clean to touch her bare pussy.

and I would never intentionally book an escort that only offers cbj.  I'd rather just skip to the sex if the bj will be covered.  BBBJCIM feels better than almost anything else IMO.   My decision to do DATY has nothing to do with the services she offers though.  Other factors such as my mood, how attractive I find her, hygiene etc influence whether I daty.  Although its all well and good if the she particularly enjoys it, the DATY is always for me because I enjoy doing it.

You know, it's more than a little weird that this is your SECOND time commenting about my board presence.  Do the handful of things I post in any given week really trouble you that much?  You seem to have a bizarre preoccupation with how much and how often I write here.  If anyone needs to find a better use of their time, it's probably the guy who takes time out of his day to irritate random providers with idiotic assessments of their success and internet usage lol.

I do enjoy pleasing my partner. If I perform DATY it is to please the lady I am with and not a form of barter to get mine. When I am with a lady that has menu restrictions I have chosen her knowing those restrictions going in, so why would I hold them against her? I just don't get that line of thought.

Guess I struck a nerve. You're right I'm new here so I have a lot to learn. Well kinda new. And no, I don't troll "random" providers. I guess I've done it to you twice now. And you 'perk' right up. Didn't mean to offend but I guess if the shoe fits.......................

most sources I've read. Sounds like even if CIM as long as she doesn't gargle with it.

in all honesty, no one really knows how safe oral sex is for either the recipient or the giver, since oral sex is often coupled with other types of sex that carry far greater risks concerning STI transmission.

Dude, everyone has their own level of safety when it comes to what they do.  No one is assuming your "dirty" or "clean" (also, do we really need to discuss how this set of valuation and moralism is damaging and unhealthy?).  Each and every person who participates in P4P takes calculated risks based on a million factors that no one should be judging.  This isn't about what someone thinks of YOU.  It's about what that person is doing to protect themselves and make themselves comfortable. But if you want to turn it into a score-keeping game, why are you seeing a lady who only offers CBJ in the first place?  

'course I BBBJCIMNQNS MSOG . This is where i get my DATY. Out there the guys don't give it.

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I would think more for women who have to orgasm for multiple people multiple times per day there may be a problem if one of the guys did do the rough beard DATY session, it may be something they would want to skip.

I've only had a CBJ twice and don't care to have another one.  However, to answer the question, I wouldn't give DATY if she didn't provide a BBBJ.  If she doesn't want her lips on my privates why should I give her the pleasure?  Which is a shame because I love to DATY and am good at it!  

serene joy than to be peacefully immersed between a lady's legs. Like sitting at the bottom of a pool with scuba gear and headphones listening to Bach while the sun paints shifting patterns through the lazy waves.

...but I suppose if one ever does I will graciously accept it (I wont like it, but I'll accept it.).
 I, in turn, would no doubt be expected to use one on her as well.  

et..  

If DATY is an activity she prefers to skip I hope she tells me. I get we all have preferences and I also get sometimes it isn't going to happen for whatever reason. If that is the case we can move on and spend the time on activities that are better enjoyed by me if no oNE else. As I said I do it to please and if DATY isn't pleasing then it is better skipped. I want the lady to enjoy herself and an "O" isn't the only way that can happen.

If it's that important, best to pick a lady where it's obvious she's going to do bbbj instead of taking a gamble. I've gambled by seeing real life guys just because they were hot. Getting all turned on, going home with him, spending the night, and omg "I should have stayed home." LOL LOL.  

A guy giving daty is more at risk than the lady receiving, and yet the risk is much lower than when a lady gives a fellow a BJ - in which case she's the one most at risk.

The last time I checked, I was doing the paying. I choose who I see, for how long, and I provide the cash, so that makes it about me (not only about me, but almost). When a lady pays me, it is about her. I respect the right of a provider to do only CBJs and I have the right to not see them. Live and let live.

Here's a news flash for you... They don't care whether you go down on them or not... For some it's a job perk... or not, depending on your level of expertise... some guys know what to do... But I suspect most don't...

ITA Courtney about the best DATY. Hobbyists I think are more into sex than the general population, and tend to be more true lovers of pussy.  

So go find these ladies you refuse to see and read their reviews. Your question was answered before you asked it.

Mind your own business.

This whole hobby business is about judging: who you are going to fuck, how long, how much you are willing to pay, for what services. Decisions about acceptable age, ethnicity and physical attributes of providers are all judgments that guys make.  The whole review system upon which TER is based (i.e. who gets what score for appearance and performance) reflects a wide range of judgment calls made by guys from widely divergent backgrounds and demographics. The phrase YMMV is precisely about judgement, however subjective.

I guess it's that pretty face and you not wanting to mess it up.  
Just remember it's nothing wrong with spitting out the semen either.  

It's no different than going into a Whole Food store and finding "organic" tomatoes at six bucks a pound. I have every right to say "WTF???!!!" before I move on and go shopping somewhere else.

I am COMPLETELY different in real life than with a trick.  

But it is the tricks choice to use it.

Either she does it or she doesn't the "why's" really aren't that important to me.

It's up to you. LOL. I mean I would love tricks to be less fat and less unattractive but commenting on it will not change the fact that they will stay the same.  

See how easy that was. I can do all the other required crap and not do that and still do very well.  

So she has some restrictions that cause a few of you guys to blanche, then don't see her and ignore her posts.  

and I can't ever remember calling YOU out for it. Quite the contrary, I HAVE stood up for venting hookers, just like you.

You're right. She can do what she wants. As I said in my initial post. You may want to go back and read it? That said, she puts herself out here as some sort of all knowing authoritiy and I have a right to counter her. Tough crap if you don't like it. Her menu is laughable. That's just my opinion and I expressed it much to her dismay. Oh well.  

So you know it's time to go by just how you answered my comment.
You really sound like a bitter hooker that hates her life and job.

but even I know she's all of what you say. You're just figuring it out now?

My standards are a wee bit higher than "Has penis and wallet" ;

Ok, fair enough.  It wasn't my first choice either. And silly me, I simply assumed that rational adults wouldn't give it more than a passing thought.

You take legitimate criticism and turn it into "you aren't good enough for me in the first place"  

So because I don't like what I know of you and wouldn't book you as a client, I'm pretentious?  

I think most guys here and even a few of the ladies are getting a big laugh out of your last post.

So you and GaG go way back?

I have to admit THEAva is more fun than anyone here since BSCTaylor. I wonder if they are related, maybe she is BSCTaylor's daughter?

your biz model. No CIM, no Greek, no BBBJ, FMF, and I'm guessing despite advertising to the contraty, DFK is a no go as well but you accrue $400 an hour? I don't buy it. Sorry. Good to see you love replying to each and every of my posts. Shouldn't you be out working? Its Friday night you know?

And you have backed me...re M&G's as you say, you have been there and see what some of us deal with.  

I hate that crap too so I guess I am in the same boat as some toolbag mentioned we possibly should quit because neither of us CIM at work...(or ever). Or we can do what we do and set boundaries that suit us. Are you making money? I sure as shit am doing it my way....carry on THE Ava!!!

The old scratch her off my to do list type thing...or it's her loss. Are you criticizing her because of her rules? What are you exactly criticizing her for?

When the hooker won't run with her tail between her legs.

You think her menu is laughable, I don't and clearly the guys who see her don't either. And if you have no intention of seeing her why the fuck do you care what she does or does not do with her body?  

I have no problem wearing the "asshole" label, you seem to get along just fine being tagged as a MHB, THEAva is just going to have to accept that many of us find her pretentious, but she is hardly the first and won't be the last and LOTS of hookers have not only survived, but have thrived with that rep. I just don't plan on sugarcoating it, nor would you expect me to.

Ava does not seem the meltdown type. In fact she is more the ignore type. And she can handle herself quite well here. She has a way that seems to rub some of you the wrong way but I got to hand it to her, she sticks to her guns.