Dear Literbike:
As a provider but more importantly as a woman who is real and has feelings how would you when enough is enough with respect to living a double lifestyle? How would you know when you where ready to leave the hobby? Would it be when you are at a continuum where you have exhausted all the possibilities and role playing that you would do? Or when you know that a certain person has fulfilled your needs both socially,emotionally and libidinally? Furthermore how would you make your exit emotionally and denotatively? I think that there is the possibility that the day is coming. how are you preparing yourself for it?
Gentlemen and ladies,what is your #1 complaint about civee dating?
Vast enormous quantities of it.
And sadly, this is one case when quantity does not translate into quality.
For now, I would rather continue my on going relationships with some of the great gentlemen I met in this world.
Lina
Plus the ROI sucks.
Sex when I need it without the drama and BS that goes with a civi date.
but I do keep a dozen or so phone numbers for providers on speed dial "just in case" lol
I would say at least 80% of my sex comes from providers of one sort or another, but I do like to remind myself that I can get it the "old fashioned way" in case I ever go broke. lol
Yeah, much concurrence here. The thrill of the hunt is 98.6% of the experience! Give me a provider that let's me "conquer" her and she'll be getting a tip...
That would be when you do it, then pop back up on here to complain about it.
You asked.
Who said i was doing it,,,ass-wipe!
Was i complaining,learn to read,would ya!!!!!
I asked? No i didn't!!!
You asked.
Dear Literbike:
As a provider but more importantly as a woman who is real and has feelings how would you when enough is enough with respect to living a double lifestyle? How would you know when you where ready to leave the hobby? Would it be when you are at a continuum where you have exhausted all the possibilities and role playing that you would do? Or when you know that a certain person has fulfilled your needs both socially,emotionally and libidinally? Furthermore how would you make your exit emotionally and denotatively? I think that there is the possibility that the day is coming. how are you preparing yourself for it?
You think you know..but you don't.
You can't ask for what you like,with a provider?
Are you kidding me,that's why i hobby,the ladies give me what i like.
You can't refuse with a provider?(What is their to refuse?)
Like she's going to make you fuck her?
You must be playing with different ladies than i am!!!!
The problems that you mention, are the ones i have with civees!!!
But I think your original question is a good one! 
xoxo,
Steph
Look who ventured over to the GD board!!! (good to have u)
Seems like less and less of the ladies are showing up these days,I Wonder Why!!!
Are you kidding me,that's why i hobby,the ladies give me what i like.
You can't refuse with a provider?(What is their to refuse?)
Like she's going to make you fuck her?
You must be playing with different ladies than i am!!!!
The problems that you mention, are the ones i have with civees!!!
the hobbyist is often required to act in an artificial way in order to remain "successful" in the hobby. it is difficult to find someone in the hobby who will let you be yourself. some want to deal only with a stereotypical "hobbyist". i am a little too eccentric for that.
i am lucky to have found a few though.....
We have to act in an artificial way????
Be yourself and let the ladies do the acting,that's why
we pay them!(they are good at pretending, that they like our weird behavior).
Correct me if i'm wrong ladies.(on the above comment)
Geez,isn't that why we flock to hobbying in the 1st place,because we can be ourselves and not have to put up with all the BS,that civee women dish out!
If i get BS from a civee women now,,i just think,"Fuck U" and walk away,knowing very well,their is a lady(provider) out there,that will save the day!!!!
P4P yes,,so what!,,Sometimes i wonder,maybe it's the way things were mean't to be!!!
Some ladies become very spoiled and develop divatude: the attitude that the encounter is all about their needs. They become condescending. They expect that you act like a cartoon of a pussy whipped client.
I've developed a good sense for that. It is to be avoided. If the lady is incapable of letting me be myself, can't treat me as an individual and not as a generic trick... Well maybe she just can't keep her clients separate in her mind. I am then doing her a favor by not being one of them.
Once you lay them they will pursue you into the jaws of Hell for round 2. And if you don't yield their feelings will be hurt.
they're usually not cool with me having sex with providers.
Gentlemen and ladies,what is your #1 complaint about civee dating?"
The Fake O's need serious work.
Its hard not to laugh.
Most Civvies won't fake their O's. Thats a plus in my script.
Mutual O's are great,yes,but then again,isn't that another reason why we hobby?(we don't have to prove anything).
If she's not a good faker,,,so what!!!
you know it would great not to have to but alas, many would be so disappointed if some of us didn't and of course we are in this for the money and if an "O" keeps it coming in, then the logical thing to do is provide one.
I'd give anything to say..".not going to happen so you can stop now" instead of pretending, but I read somewhere on here a lady said that and paid dearly in a scathing review. Not going to chance that ever happening so I will continue to method act when necessary.
Maybe I'm an odd hobbyist and so some providers feel they can be a bit more honest with me without it jeopardizing odds of repeat business. But I have had providers tell me it wasn't gonna happen rather than faking an O.
When a provider fakes an O, I let it pass because I understand it is part of her schtick and she has no way of knowing me particularly well. But I can identify fake Os at least 95% of the time -- I just never tell a woman I'm aware. Except for one case where a provider I had allegedly given "dozens" of Os was a bit over the top. Of course, I had given her my poor dumb farm hand from Texas persona, so maybe I deserved it. LOL
But generally speaking I have been very blessed with 75% providers who don't fake Os, and even those who do are otherwise fantastic so it's no big deal.
Yes you are in the minority. Sadly, the majority are the opposite and those are the guys we have to deal with. Personally, I don't give it too much thought if my clients know I fake...after all, I am providing a fantasy ...creating what they want, which if you think about it, is so far from reality (paying a complete stranger to become intimate and pretend they are your girlfriend for the duration).
Funny part is, they want part of that fantasy or experience to be real ...the part that can be the most difficult to pull off, given that while a guy can be a nice person, intelligent and witty and well groomed, if there is zero attraction or chemistry on my part, it is impossible for me to get where they want me to go..hence the fabrication to complete the tour.
I have done and still do very well. I know what is expected of me and deliver. So I guess there is a sector of the male population that finds me and the way I conduct business pretty damn awesome.
Guys who partake, for the most part, in this industry are not here for the reality of life and the truth. The guys see women at their best, all made up, a sexual dynamo, ready willing and able to give it her best...every time they get together. The only reality that there is, is the reality that pertains to this industry, but not close to real life.
We all juggle this fantasy/reality ball to find our own level of comfort and sanctuary. A place where we can enjoy what we do and not feel bad about it. We are all here for our own personal reasons.
I actually penalize a lady who fakes an orgasm in her performance score when I review. I am a little insulted when a lady fakes and it greatly reduces my enjoyment. I do understand why the lady does it, as some guys need, it but I grade exclusively on my experience, not what others need. I personally understand that the lady may (OK, most likely is) not attracted to me , my skills may not always a match with the lady's needs, she may be nervous, may have recently cum with anther client or some other reason she can't get there with me during the session and I am fine with that. I value honesty highly and I will not penalize a lady for pointing out the truth to me in a kind manor. In fact it will greatly increase the odds of me repeating. I often find there is too much fantasy in this hobby. I do realize I am likely in the minority in this but I doubt I am the only one.
I much prefer the fantasy of no fakery. Sure, some moaning and feedback is good, but I'm not there to star in a porno flick. I want "my girlfriend" to fuck my brains out and make it seem intimate, not necessarily to qualify for an Oscar. I pay extra for Girl Friend. I pay less for fake orgasm. I have been around women for a long time and I know what situations get them off. Banging a stranger isn't usually one of them.
I'd give anything to say..".not going to happen so you can stop now" instead of pretending, but I read somewhere on here a lady said that and paid dearly in a scathing review. Not going to chance that ever happening so I will continue to method act when necessary.
Perhaps you could try doing what some providers have done with me. During our time together, once things have progressed to the point that I am asking how they like to be pleased, a couple have simply stated up front, "It is very hard for me to orgasm. You are welcome to enjoy yourself, just don't expect me to climax."
This works in two ways. If some guy is in it only to "check the box" (so to speak), he may decide to skip it and move on to what he wants. Works out better for both parties.
If he is just wants to, for instance, do DATY because he enjoys it, he will stop when he wants to - not when she makes a show of "orgasming" all over the place. Takes the pressure off of each of them. He doesn't have to "score", she doesn't have to fake it.
It has worked out well for me. Only once did I manage to surprise a lady. She was more shocked than me. I think - LOL!
that's hard for me to believe, but perhaps it's been true in your personal experiences. from talking with many women it seems that faking it with their boyfriend or spouse is a regular occurrence...the most common reason? because they want him to hurry up and finish. in fact i will admit to faking a few Os with vanilla partners in my teenage years, not because i wanted it to end but because i felt pressured to have that response. fortunately those days are long in the past...i fake nothing with anyone now, in or outside the hobby. but of course i also avoid having sex with men who require a female orgasm for their own personal fulfillment.
You have spoken to many civie women and they readily admit faking?
that's hard for me to believe. Never had a civie fake, had civies not O and TELL ME! LOL!
HalfHour
it's a bit puzzling to me that this comes as a surprise to anyone here. faking Os is certainly not something that started with providers, it began with your everyday vanilla husband and wife. when talking about sex with other women over the years (mind you, i know no other providers), most of them admit to faking orgasms, whether on occasion or on a regular basis. one lady, a former next door neighbor, told me, "he would never get off me otherwise!"...in reference to her husband. sad, but true. in the past i have even been advised by other women...again, entirely vanilla...on how to fake it more convincingly. and even now i frequent a "vanilla" relationship message board and there have been many threads on faking orgasms.
count yourself fortunate that your civie partners have been upfront with you, lol
"it's a bit puzzling to me that this comes as a surprise to anyone here. faking Os is certainly not something that started with providers"a former next door neighbor, told me, "he would never get off me otherwise!".
It must be the company you keep. If my civvies faked Os like providers, they certainly wouldn't be begging for more.
Never had a civvie ask me, did you come, or when are you going to come. Civvies usually want more, especially when I come too quick..lol