Happy Friday TER Friends!

When it comes to providers, I don't have much of an opportunity to delelop an opinion on them that makes them unique like I do in my daily life. For example, people I work with or from my neighborhood who I have gotten to know over time create seperation that makes it easier to have varying values. But in the market of a provider, I'm looking for a few basic things, looks, reviews, and services for the most part. And, in this area, there is not one special someone, but numerous woman who fit this bill. Therefore, the competition drives the market. If I see women in the $600-$700 range that meet this need, I'm not likely to spend more. I don't really get the opportunity to learn much about a provider that makes me feel spending more is necessary. And, from what I have learned, spending more is not always getting better. So, for me to spend more, either the market needs to shift that way or there needs to be something special or unique. For example, if I want to experience a squiter, and that's a smaller market of women, I might be willing to pay a little more for that experience. But more often than not, I'm looking for the basic GFE package that most providers in this range offer, so the extra something is the exception, not the rule.

You do, then it's up to me to decide based on your looks, web site and reviews if you are worth it.
Bu if you call your compensation "tribute," I won't be booking anyway. I get it that it's standard in the BDSM world but it just ticks me off.

I have a ranking system to grade potential providers on to determine if I want to see them.

I don't know that I've ever individually valued a lady so much as tried to figure out whether the likely experience is worth my time and money. Perhaps that's the same thing.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia
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"Pornography is art, sometimes harmonious, sometimes dissonant. Its glut and glitter are a Babylonian excess. Modern middle-class women cannot bear the thought that their hard-won professional achievements can be outweighed in an instant by a young hussy flashing a little tits and ass. But the gods have given her power, and we must welcome it. Pornography forces a radical reassessment of sexual value, nature’s bequest of our tarnished treasure." - "No Law in the Arena: A Pagan Theory of Sexuality"  
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"Men are run ragged by female sexuality all their lives. From the beginning of his life to the end, no man ever fully commands any woman. It's an illusion. Men are pussy-whipped. And they know it. That's what the strip clubs are about; not woman as victim, not woman as slave, but woman as goddess." -- As quoted in Sexuality and Gender (2002) by Christine R. Williams and Arlene Stein, p. 213 ISBN 0631222723  
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"The feminist line is, strippers and topless dancers are degraded, subordinated, and enslaved; they are victims, turned into objects by the display of their anatomy. But women are far from being victims — women rule; they are in total control … the feminist analysis of prostitution says that men are using money as power over women. I'd say, yes, that's all that men have. The money is a confession of weakness. They have to buy women's attention. It's not a sign of power; it's a sign of weakness." -- As quoted in Sexuality and Gender (2002) by Christine R. Williams and Arlene Stein, p. 213

on a woman's worth.  She does, and then I just say yes or no.  Since you are the only provider who asks for "tribute", it's hard to make a comparison.  That alone is off-putting enough for all but the super-dedicated simps and subs.  

As for, "Inquiring minds want to know how do you put a dollar value on a women’s worth?"  As stated here (several times), I don't put a dollar value on women.  They do.  Now, I will form opinions about whether they are over-valuing or under-valuing themselves.  But, I respect their decision to set a price and I keep my opinions to myself.  However, I may judge, based on their appearance, offered activities and reviews, whether I believe that the time that I'll spend with them is worth their requested donation to me.

I recently saw a smokin’ hot young woman for $400! I thought her session was good “ value”, so I’m going to see her next week! I also saw a woman for $600, who did not quite measure up in terms of services. I felt she was not worth the value she charged!, and I will not repeat. So I see providers based on my perception of the value they provide in a session. If the valued I get is higher than the price, I’ll return, otherwise no! I would never say the girl that charged $400 is worth $500 or $600, I would just enjoy her services at $400 as many times as possible before she moves on!

First, Paglia long ago revealed herself to be antifeminist. Almost all her writing and speeches use the didactic frame of women "taking" something from men.

I have a conservative budget I like to adhere to.  Occasionally I will splurge and spend more than I usually spend.  Since I am upper middle age, I find that the intensity  and feel good feeling  is about the same whether I donate 600 roses VS 1000 roses.  I guess it really boils down to whether I feel we would be a good fit.  I recently expressed interest with a provider who was within the financial comfort zone.  However after I reviewed her Social Media posts, I declined because she shares way too much information, over promotes herself, and talks way too much!  While most of my trysts are smooth and mutually enjoyable,  (I currently have close to 50 oks on P411) I  can only imagine how much bs this provider would post if our encounter went south!

What value do you put on a man's worth?

a wallet with legs.

Good one!

One could write a book on this. For me, it comes down to attitude.

How much do I want the product/experience?
Is it a good value compared to competitors?
How much commitment is involved  (pre-pay, PII, etc...)
Am I willing to settle for a lesser product/experience (massage vs fs, AMP vs independent) to save money and double my frequency?
And, because I believe all reviews are very subjective with respect to both Appearance and Performance:
Am I willing to risk those discretionary dollars and my time on someone I haven't met?

youth-  worth more. (under 25)
beauty- worth more
C cups- worth more  
anal- worth more
swallow- worth more

Agree w this take on “worth.” I see a gal that checks those first three boxes (well D cups but still) and runs me about $400 hr. They get my business all the time and I find it a totally worthwhile experience.

I see ladies with different looks and different rates and I’m always curious how do they come up with their rate. I personally started at 500 and each year with more demand I plan on hiking up the rate but always grandfathering in my current regulars.

You have added another, new definition of "hooker math!"  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sums_of_three_cubes

That’s good to know, awesome decision.

One thing that has always influenced my determination of what I charge has been the location where I am offering my services, and the prevailing rate in that area for providers offering similar services and catering to similar clients.  When I used to tour, I typically had different rates for different areas.  Costs for lodging and travel were also a factor.  

reasoned and complete explanation we have had from a provider regarding factors that go into pricing.  Well done.  

Everything you said makes complete sense. And, IMO your rates are in what I would call the sweet spot. Not too cheap and not overly expensive. And I agree, a client should pay what they want, even if it's an absurb amount. Though, there is a point where I don't necessarily get it. And, I'm not talking about those charging a little more than what I feel comfortable paying. But when I see $1500 or more for 1 hour, I can't help but wonder what does she have going on that someone half her pirce, which isn't necessarily cheap, doesn't?

for better or worse it's the only way for a client to get to know what a girl could be like before meeting. That's why I always think carefully about how I ant to phrase my commentary. It's too easy to be misrepresented by your own words!

attractiveness has been severely overvalued by a lot of providers which leads to rates that exceed what a man is willing to pay. The attractiveness matters up to point but once you're an 8+ the thing that gets you to top dollar is the experience you curate, and for each person the experience required is different. Will be interesting to see what other guys have to say on the subject though.

Online presence is more important than most girls know..

TBH, how much I spend is part of the experience for me. If I spend less and the experience is okay, I may be completely fine with it being just okay. But if I spend on the higher end, and the experience is just okay, I actually feel more let down. While the expereince in this case may be the same, knowing I just spent my monthly budget on one lady and came away not feeling she delivered leaves me feeling a little more empty.

because there is nothing a $1000/hr provider can do that a $600/hr provider can't do, as you move up incrementally, the additional rate reflects nothing more than the provider's own assessment of her physical appearance.  If her body is flawless and her face is DDG, many men who have not ever had the experience of sex with a gorgeous woman like this will happily pay the difference for their fantasy. What many don't consider is that, since the provider herself is one assessing her own beauty, as you say, sometimes you are paying for a Mercedes, but you end up riding in a Buick, still a nice ride, but not in the same league for what you are paying.  

Inquiring minds want to know how do you put a dollar value on a women’s worth?

Say it straight CDL, if you're shelling out a grand, her head game is going to be trash, and she'll probably get lippy about it taking too long. At that point, might as well be married, that way you can teach her a trick or two and maybe come home to a hot meal once in awhile. Sure that's bound to cost you more than a grand in the longrun, the cost/benefit is still rather favorable if you manage yourself well.

Well, I have found that there can be a difference, but it isn't always a difference. If we are talking about looks, at some point that peaks and it's not necessarily going to be the most expensive lady. I have seen gorgeous ladies at a reasonable rate. But looks is just one factor. Chemestry is another factor that matters to many. And as hot as she may be, and as sweet as she may be, if there is a language barrior, this one might be harder for her, which applies to a lot of providers, be it kgirls, European, or Brazlians, to name a few. And, I have found varying talents. Try as they might, not all of them kiss as well. Maybe they don't cuddle afterwards. Maybe their touch is not as soft. Some have little tricks that may turn you on that others do not. For example, I was with one provider who showered with me, and would rub her bare pussy on my soapy dick. This was by no means a bare service and we were safe, but this was a huge turn on. And, I am not saying these matter to everyone. But for some, there are things that matter that not all women do, or do well. Does this mean this always comes with the higher price? Absolutely not. But perhaps some of these things that matter would more jusifty a reason to charge more, than say just looks alone.

and it's nice to see you posting again, Sauce.  

Women always rate themselves at the highest level someone else has rated them, even if only once.  This is true in the dating/mating world too.  That's why so many women chase the top 10% of guys.  Some hot guy once banged her and then dumped her.  All she remembers is that hot guys like her.  So she chases them and continuously gets pumped and dumped until she's in her late 30's.  She may never realize she was out of her league because it seemed like she was getting dates.  Unless she wants to live with cats, she'll eventually settle for a lesser man (more in her league) but resent it and him because she never got what she thought she "deserved."
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So if a provider once got $600 for an hour, that's her new minimum.  It ratchets up like that.  When they can't pull any customers at their new higher rate, they tend to drop out of the game -- cuz they "know" what they're "worth" and psychologically can't stand the idea of giving it away for a marked down price.  Better to be poor than humiliated.

considerations.  There is no way to know if you will see any of these details during YOUR session, even if others have put these activities in reviews. Remember that the price is set BEFORE you go so how would you KNOW when booking whether or not all of the things you would happily pay $1000 for are going to be included?  You can't foresee how the chemistry will pan out until AFTER you have seen her, so like I said, you need to have your own formula for assessing when the right time is to pay $1000 versus $500.  If you just do it randomly and HOPE for the best, you are likely to have more disappointing sessions.  

I disagree. Some of these things you can absolutely capture in reviews. Or, at least I can. Can I always? No. And should I speak for you and others, no. So maybe, you can't. But if multiple reviews say it, than I feel the odds are it is part of the process. If one person says it, than perhaps not. We know there are some ladies that YMMV. I have had my share of ladies do something for me I did not expect and that was not in any reviews. So sure, in cases where it either doesn't show up at all or it's not repeated with multiple reviews, it's hard to know. But part of what I am looking for is what kind of energy does she bring. I usually can read between the lines and capture this from reviews. I don't always get it right. And, some reviews are not helping because they are not as honest as I would like. But my hit rate and finding good ones is fairly high. So something is working.

Reviews are always YMMV.  Some guys exaggerate what happened as a form of self-aggrandizement, and other times providers will be comfortable doing some things with a particular customer, but not someone else.  You have admitted this has been the case for you, so why would you say you can get the info you WANT from reviews?  It doesn't matter how many guys say the did something with a provider, she still may not do it with you.  There is an active thread right now on this board where a guy complains about this discrepancy with respect to DFK.  Apparently, most everyone got DFK except him.  

I can attest to Holly NOT being a whacko, she's bright, funny, and doesn't take shit from all the whackos that only have thi board as their social life, I'm thinking especially 'Queen and cdl.  
But Holly you are awesome we need more providers like you to call out bull shit...which is a lot around these parts

Lol you really like picking fights? You realize I was only offering a counterpoint originally? Btw, I am breaking paragraphs. Not sure why it’s not showing for you. Yours are showing two breaks for me. I will try that lol. Maybe it will be easier.

I think this distinction deserves its own post

You don't have to pay more to experience a squirter anyway...I offer this service as part of my GFE services and my rates are reasonable at 350 hour...

It's a debate and we are being civil. You posted some points of misinformation and I'm just giving you the correct info to look at in hopes of opening your mind a little.  Then you can double down on your misconceptions or agree with me that you may not know as much as you think you do about Kgirls.   You keep lumping them in with indie providers, but it's a separate market niche, just like TS providers.  To my knowledge, there are NO Kgirls who have 100 reviews and an average score of 9 or more that are currently active anywhere in the US.  If you are saying this about Kgirls, it's more misinformation.  

Yes, it's a debate, but whether you realize it or not, you include certain statements that come across like a jab. Look, there is no question you have seen more Kgirls than me and do it a lot. And, one of the reasons is our different experiences. Btw, you missed the doubles I had, so that's 3 in the past year. The double was actually great for what it was, and they did speak better English, but still some disconnect. And why did I only see 3 in the past year? Because last time I saw a few it was just okay for me. And, outside of the double being special because it's a different type of experience, I felt the same way.

And she's ashamed and embarrassed. Yes they go through English courses 1-12 but the level of teaching is poor. When they come here on a student visas they have to take a FLS class at the local JC for about 2-3 years maybe longer before
they get admitted to any University.
To say that maybe they just don't want to talk tells me she an old jaded broad.
Most of the K-Girls I wandered into were more then eager to talk, but they had a very hard time that you can sense their frustration
And do I have stories about some of these "Students"...

former salon girls who were furloughed out by the age of 30.  Japanese and Korean businessmen like them young, and that is why it's very rare for us to get a Kgirl that is not pushing 30, at least.  The North Korean girls are usually younger, no English, less experienced, so in order to compete with the ex-salon girls, they offer BBFS.  To respond to your point, the age at which they are considered "old and jaded" in Korea is 28-30.

After a second look, you are right, I missed the double you had with two Kgirls, so it's THREE Kgirls in the past three years.  That doesn't change anything else that I said.  

In fairness you can't, if you really want to figure out the value of a provider remember they were someone's favorite child, they were someone's first crush in Jr high, or a lot of people's. Like  little Tommy would have given his left one to be where you are right now so treat her right.

Oh, I would not pay extra just for squirting. I know several that do it for less as well. That was just an example, and TBH in most cases I'm looking for more boxes being checked to even consider it, not just one box.

Priceless Tranny Guy!  What if she has a strap-on and knows how to use It?  Where do i fit in?