Since we are assigning blame, why blame just the girls? Someone is making it worth their while to do what they do, and I have the impression that one of those guys is you, no? If all guys refused to see high-volume girls there would be no high-volume market. So, Hell, it's YOUR fault. LOL.
Don't think so. Read this link
Now you are saying to yourself "What is the point Ridgetucky you dumb asshole?".
Here is the point genius. LE is now training hotel staff to spot Providers. Why? To crack down on "Sex TrafficKING". The blurb from the aforementioned article explains it all - "the first training session involving 20 hotels and motels and about 75 lodging industry employees in Ramsey County was convened. Choi said that getting the cooperation of the lodging industry is key in fighting sex trafficking."
Now I don't know why Choi can't go out and bust drug dealers, child molesters and Starbucks - Really it should be a damn crime to charge $5 for that shitty coffee. -
Now here is where the SH-- hits the fan. PROVIDERS ARE PRIMARILY TO BLAME FOR THIS PROBLEM!!!!
(I been called an asshole by women my whole life so a few more time won't hurt my feelings none)
Do some quick math 10*300 = 3,000. That's 10 clients in a day at $300 a pop equals $3,000 Dead Presidents. Hey that's good $$$ if you can get it and it pays all the bills within 24 hours - problem solved. Let's speak frankly now. I had an ATF that had got into this biz because her legit biz went under. She was very forthcoming in explaining the economics of PROviders (and other things - here is one Providers talk VERY freely to each other so watch what u say - me I talk like a 13 year old girl at a slumber party). Now you are saying to yourself "fuck off ridgetucky that's her story and not mine". Touchy, touchy I respond but this is your story.
Many Providers live the life - no set schedule, no boss, no annoying co-workers. Thus, you quickly find yourself with more month than money and so you book a bunch of appointments in a short span. BAM!!!!!! You (not me) just gave the hotel clerk the opening to call some lazy fucking cop looking to increase his points with the chief.
Hey see 10 guys or 20 guys doesn't matter to me. Here is what matters. Having my black ass hauled away by the cops at the Holiday Inn Express (not so smart get that) and then having to call my wife to bail me out of jail. Then explaining why I spent $300 on a Provider while simultaneously saying "paid $150 for highlights, cut, etc. why not just burn the fucking money". That's enough to turn my black ass blue! Ouch
Discuss amongst yourselves Please ![]()
He is, and I wouldn't know if he has been around or not.
In big cities like NYC, they just don't get into this sort of stuff in the same way that they do in smaller places. Same thing with SF and LA, where I also lived.
I don't think the hotel cares unless it's obvious and that there is some criminal activity going on. If you go to the Four Seasons Hotel (not sure there is one in this city), their attitude is that they cannot prevent guests of the hotel from having their own friends over. If said "friend" happens to be a well-known escort in the town, then there's nothing the hotel is gonna do. A friend of mine worked security in a high-end hotel such as this, and told me that's the standing policy.
It's no secret who the pros are. If you see the same well-dressed women going up the elevators several nights a week or several nights a month and they come out one to several hours later, it's not rocket science to figure out that they are paid companions. But the hotel doesn't get involved because it is bad for business. They have no knowledge of illegal activity, and they don't get involved.
If you are talking about a small motel where it's obvious that a girl is having guys in and out, maybe that's a bigger issue. If there are drugs involved, then there is certainly an issue they are concerned about. Short of that, I think you are making a big deal out of something that is nothing.
Personally, I don't visit providers in motels and shitty hotels. It's either at least a Hilton-level hotel or it's nothing. Simple.
Girls are not seeing 10 clients a day. I got news for you. Your math is flawed. My guess is that most girls who are busy are seeing closer to half that, and most girls aren't getting back to back appointments. In fact, as of late, my email and phone has been blowing up with people sending me messages asking if I was busy and that they "missed me." In other words, business is slow.
Your premise is fine IN THEORY, but IN PRACTICE, you are way off.
The TER girls here are doing this out of their own voliition and free will.
I always crack up reading stories about sex trafficking, and wonder if the people who talk about this as their own personal pet cause (incidentally, some of my best female friends really have a jones for this topic, so I'm not speaking out of turn here) actually understand that many women actually CHOOSE to do this willingly.
So I'm not sure how this article relates to the activities we talk about here.
Though they choose not to do it for free, I also choose to go to work.
I wouldn't say forced, could you say a choice of necessity? (forget this article)
Point is, it's still a matter of choice. We could also choose to not work and just try to live in other ways, but that's not very effective.
I guess it's not a perfect analogy, but I do see your point.
I don't understand a fucking word you just posted.
I understood it I think but I still dunno wth we should be discussing.
He must be talking about bp providers charging $80 to $100 for the half hour specials. As you now recently in the dc area $40 - $60 for 15 minute specials.
I've noticed this for past six months, as well. Seems to be a huge influx of additional providers advertising every single day and on a multitude of the associated sites. In my conversations with a number of them, the economy nationwide sticks out as the primary reason. To date, Washington has been fairly recession proof with the many government jobs and a service sector to support them. Just as many college grads and others come here to find work, soon too do the providers follow to be able to provide their services to those with jobs and money. For similar reasons, you have a large sector of immigrant labor here including immigrant providers. Many of them begin by servicing their own ethnic group, then many quickly go mainstream when they realize there's more to be made as soon as they can grasp a working knowledge of English. It is simply competition and supply and demand in a truly free market - one of the last remaining areas in an otherwise mixed economy. Food for thought: if prostitution ever becomes legalized, government at all levels will likely institute all sorts of regulations, controls and "sin taxes" which will only cause such increased expenses to be passed on by the ladies to us, the consumers. On a final observation/note, IMHO as some of these prices have come down (including hourly rates), so too has the quality of service. Lately, it seems to suck....(pun intended). Many ladies I've spoken with in the mid-priced range are doing 3-7 clients/day (five being the average that I've read in some of the latest literature). The immigrant girls (Latinas) appear to be seeing more clients on a daily basis, perhaps because they initially have to content themselves with guys who can only afford the 15 or 30 minute visit. Competition must really be making work difficult for these ladies...
... you are a dumb asshole.
Case in point... here's the cut and paste from that article's 1st paragraph:
"When Ramsey County Attorney John Choi today (Thursday) announced a new partnership to crackdown on sex trafficking of minors, a recent case in Roseville highlighted how cooperation can pay off."
Notice the phrase "sex trafficking of minors". You purposely left out that part in order to draw attention to your post that is misleading everyone.
Now, having said that... I am totally against any crimes against minors... period.
Serpius
http://roseville.patch.com/articles/roseville-hotel-host-to-initiative-against-sex-trafficking
Now you are saying to yourself "What is the point Ridgetucky you dumb asshole?".
Here is the point genius. LE is now training hotel staff to spot Providers. Why? To crack down on "Sex TrafficKING". The blurb from the aforementioned article explains it all - "the first training session involving 20 hotels and motels and about 75 lodging industry employees in Ramsey County was convened. Choi said that getting the cooperation of the lodging industry is key in fighting sex trafficking."
Now I don't know why Choi can't go out and bust drug dealers, child molesters and Starbucks - Really it should be a damn crime to charge $5 for that shitty coffee. -
Now here is where the SH-- hits the fan. PROVIDERS ARE PRIMARILY TO BLAME FOR THIS PROBLEM!!!!
(I been called an asshole by women my whole life so a few more time won't hurt my feelings none)
Do some quick math 10*300 = 3,000. That's 10 clients in a day at $300 a pop equals $3,000 Dead Presidents. Hey that's good $$$ if you can get it and it pays all the bills within 24 hours - problem solved. Let's speak frankly now. I had an ATF that had got into this biz because her legit biz went under. She was very forthcoming in explaining the economics of PROviders (and other things - here is one Providers talk VERY freely to each other so watch what u say - me I talk like a 13 year old girl at a slumber party). Now you are saying to yourself "fuck off ridgetucky that's her story and not mine". Touchy, touchy I respond but this is your story.
Many Providers live the life - no set schedule, no boss, no annoying co-workers. Thus, you quickly find yourself with more month than money and so you book a bunch of appointments in a short span. BAM!!!!!! You (not me) just gave the hotel clerk the opening to call some lazy fucking cop looking to increase his points with the chief.
Hey see 10 guys or 20 guys doesn't matter to me. Here is what matters. Having my black ass hauled away by the cops at the Holiday Inn Express (not so smart get that) and then having to call my wife to bail me out of jail. Then explaining why I spent $300 on a Provider while simultaneously saying "paid $150 for highlights, cut, etc. why not just burn the fucking money". That's enough to turn my black ass blue! Ouch
Discuss amongst yourselves Please
1. You guys NEVER repeat the fuking room number all loud in the damn lobby area when we provide it do ya? You never leave your computer screen up, email hookers from a hotel server, or leave your dumb ass phone out in the open where anyone can bust you. You bargain shop vs. seeing providers who don't have to fk 5 guys a day, because they charge a rate that allows them to be selective and remain low volume. Oh hell no...you want msog and a pse for less than 200!
Furthermore, you never see only women who don't show their face on the internet thus making it easier to spot her in any hotel. You also make sure to hinder the noise you make by putting a pillow over your face so the damn maid in the hall can't hear your grunting like a fkin bear when you bust your 2-3 nuts that you demand in one hour right? Or, you don't bitch and complain about a provider who dares have music playing to do just that? Then, some of you use THREE towels in ONE hour to wash your shit! No, that does not attract attention at all when we need 9 fkin towels each day for one person registered in that room does it?
2. Hotel staffs have always been told to watch out for things in certain hotels...nothing new. Many google emails and phone numbers you provide to see if you have a warrant out, and not meaning to may stumble upon your hooker website. This is why it's stupid to give the hotel a number or email that might be on the net...I repeat...STUPID! It is equally as stupid to hook up to the hotel server and exchange emails with a hooker/hobbyist...now they know where you both are. Internet activity is monitored in many cases, and I know of a few girs who have been busted that way. Use your phone or a wireless card.
3. The provider who told you she is seeing 10 guys a day is either on ACID and can't remember what she did or when, or she is a kgirl in LA in which case she would not be in a hotel to begin with. You're deluded if you believe any of us could see 10 guys a day....get real. The most I have heard of a reputable provider seeing on a tour is 4, and that is rare...I might see 2.
4. Trafficking is a serious thing and I am all for cracking down on it, but just like every other article about this subject, it's very hard to crack down on trafficking without being just as hard on us girls who are not forced.
5. You should not be visiting or using "Family Friendly" hotels, but big highrises with several restaurants and bars...this equals busy lobby area without a ton of kids running around, and less concern for what guests are doing.
Also, providers meeting every damn client in the lobby or bar is just dumb if you are staying at the same hotel several days. Regardless of whether or not anyone is paying attention, you still look like a whore. I am so sure you're in the sales business and every guy you meet goes back to your room with you, and exits an hour later lol.
6. Go back to point 1...you're part of the problem. Judging from the types of gals you have admitted to seeing, it does not surprise me, that you think this is a provider problem. News Flash: Some of us go to great lengths to protect ourselves thus protecting our clients, and others don't. We get more threads about guys being the ones to get busted don't we? Yea.
The End.
-- Modified on 10/13/2012 12:12:22 PM
....that shit pisses me OFF. They know what they're doing when they try to use up all of our damn towels.
This is EXACTLY what we are saying!!
Wow, how does he do that? It's like he knows just what we are thinking.... spooky.
Sometimes we just say "Ridgetucky, you asshole" or "Ridgetucky, you don't even understand the article you just quoted", but essentially it's correct.
Now you are saying to yourself "What is the point Ridgetucky you dumb asshole?".
That is physically impossible. A true professional knows how to conduct herself in a manner that would not raise suspicion. More importantly, this is not really "news." It's media sensationalism, and the elections are not that far off.
And what hobbyist would want to see a provider that saw 10 in a day.
I don't think anyone can act that well. I would have to fake an orgasm just so I could leave, if I could even climb back out of a hole taking 10 a day
it's not just about the physical aspect of the action. You have to interact with people, as well.
Since we are assigning blame, why blame just the girls? Someone is making it worth their while to do what they do, and I have the impression that one of those guys is you, no? If all guys refused to see high-volume girls there would be no high-volume market. So, Hell, it's YOUR fault. LOL.
How many $300 escorts you think see 10 a day?
If you believe that you need to find yourself a few women and become their "manager". $ women, 3K each a day. You'll be pulling in 12 K a day, $4M a year. SURE!!!!
Why do some guys just like displaying that they don't have a clue?
On your other point, if a client and provider get busted it's most often both their faults. Convinced she sees 10 guys in her room and you don't think that's cool? Get yourself a room and do outcall! If you're too cheap, do without.
Search his handle if you are not familiar with this moron.
I looked up some of his stuff. This dude was dropped on his head early and often
why men complain about higher-volume girls, and then turn around and complain that it's too expensive and too inconvenient to make private arrangements, or to see more low-key girls. You can't have it both ways.
If I'm getting $150/hr, even $300/hr or less, I am going to need to see a few guys a day to make a profit. If I'm $400+ and hour and/or do longer appointments, I can get away with seeing only one per day.
Just a quick FYI..this isn't from a relatively small town. Ramsey County is the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. Specifically, it's mostly Saint Paul which isn't a tiny town by any means. Minneapolis/Twin Cities is very comparable to Chicago is size.
Yeah and I completely agree with all the other ladies, seeing 10 guys in a day is impossible, you'd break yourself and never provide again let alone enjoy sex after only a few days. Unless you were so big you couldn't feel anything and neither could they from the very beginning.
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