A summary of the situation I find myself in.

1. All of my sessions are standard - typically two hour meetings and done.
2. Repeat only with a small subset of the providers I have seen.
3. An even smaller subset where the relationship has gone a tad beyond pure P4P.  Small glimpses of treating each other a little bit like friends.   Really careful to respect boundaries though.
4. Down to a universe of one, where there is a a lot of repeating happening.  Semi-regular touching base when no appointment is being contemplated.  Meetings are a lot of fun.  
5. I have a great deal of respect for this person.  I am aware of some circumstances in her other life where the sense of ethics, right and wrong exceed those of the vast majority of people I know in my other life.  I care about what she thinks of me.
6. She is UTR with no web presence or published rates.
7. I have sensed for a while that she would be open to sessions beyond what I describe in point 1 above.  Compensated of course.  However, I don't think she would accept such meetings with anyone whose company she did not enjoy.
8. This idea came to the surface after a recent meeting.  Traveling together.
9. There are reasons in my personal situation why this could be an arrangement I would like to pursue.   Nice and uncomplicated.
10. Never thought when I started hobbying that I would end up in this mindset.

I am concerned about fully exploring this path, if it has the chance of messing up the simple arrangement we now have.  It is pretty easy to maintain the fantasy in small, isolated two hour chunks.  I expect it to be harder with larger time slices.  I plan to start small, maybe with dinner meetings to see how things go.

So my main question is whether any of you out there started going down the path of moving beyond the basic closed door meeting, and had it backfire where one of the people involved got turned off and it caused the entire arrangement to end?

The risks I see include:

1. I don't know the costs, since there is no web page.  Once I find that out, I could change my mind.  Not sure how that would be interpreted.  
2. One of us (most likely her) could find out that small doses are no longer welcome, after learning more about each other.  
3. I go broke.

I lied at the beginning.  This is actually me asking for a friend.  Nothing to do with me.

Dont worry about tomorrow in p4p.  

She could be gone as we speak. Many girls don't announce their retirement to the world (but it sure is fun when they do it here. The johns are even better! lol) and just vanish one day.

I recently entered into another SB situation. She's been incredible. And edible. lol

But it could end tomorrow for a number of reasons out of my control. Trust me, I'll survive. LOL

Just enjoy it every time you are with her or any p4p gal.  

Try not to overthink it and you will have less worries with more fun.

C'est la vie.

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You discuss meeting with prostitutes using 2 hours as some standard.  I will assume you met this woman as a prostitute as well?

You must have paid her based on something, her TER page, a website, a sign she has on her back?

Stop paying her and you'll find out quickly how much she cares about you.

She's a prostitute.  Good luck.

I was referred by another provider.  I have no intention of not paying, as some kind of ruse to figure out what she really thinks of me.  I know that there are no more meetings if I don't pay.  I get that I am a client, and nothing more.

The only thing changing are the blocks of time and the price.

I don't see anything changing unless of course you start getting into your head that is somehow more than a business transaction. Perhaps it has grown to a business transaction for two people who have grown to be quite friendly, but even calling you "friends" would be a bit of an overstatement at this point.

If you want to travel with her, simply ask her. The answer you get, not to mention the price will quickly tell you how much she likes you, if at all.

Cut the guy some slack.  He never asked about free time or said he was in love and wanted to start a relationship with the provider.

He was simply asking for guidance about taking their encounters to the "next level."  My read on the situation and his ask is this.  "Hey, I have this provider I really enjoy spending time with.  We seem to click but we have really only spent two hour blocks together.  I would like to spend more time with her, an over night, a trip away together, a dinner date, etc.  However I am concerned about screwing up what is working great right now.  Who has spent longer dates with a regular provider on a regular basis?  How did it go for you?  Did things work well or did you end up having to look for another provider?"

your friend has asked for your opinion. Even then you would be hard pressed to know how each of the pair really feel

I have had that experience and it was great.

Sometimes it is too much like a real GF, they get headaches.  Don't let that bother you though.  You can hire a woman for sex.

you at least recognized the questions while the other two yahoos above just started popping off with their standard mantra without regard to what was actually being asked....

Hi Cooper,

The friend thing was a joke.  Based upon what is going on a couple of threads below.

Trying to get a P4P woman to convert to not P4P is very hard.  It doesn't happen often, and when it seems to be happening many of the P4P women destroy the relationship and go back to escorting.

Everyone has an opinion.  You didn't post yours however.  Just needed to bash others for theirs.

That speaks volumes about you.

Ask to do a three-hour and inquire about the rate.  No need to dramatically increase if you are concerned about an abrupt burnout.

He said nothing about converting p4p to not p4p so your reading comprehension is as challenged as the other two..

I would attempt to spell it out for you but since you didn't comprehend what Mr Kidd said I would be wasting my time repeating it.

Thanks for attempting to play

best answer so far. baby steps.  

big jump from 2 hours to 24 hours.  

i have inquired w/2 of my atfs about a weekend up the coast  

but then i thought that, first thong in the morning, i cough up a lot of junk due to a condition i have. not at all sexy.  

i like both women so much i wouldn't want to subject either of them to that sight, so i have not pursued it any further.  

if i were you i would keep it where it is, or at least tkae it in increments:  3 hours, 4 hours, dinner date etc.

maybe float a dinner meeting or if you have a business trip coming up.  Ask if she be interested & what she'd want for compensation.  Also with get aways, there are questions about sleep habits, how much play time, an allowance of private time for each of you.  She might need to call home or check in with a safety person.  She might want to check calls.  She might like to shower in peace.  If you have a meeting, what will she do?   Are there other things that will take you out of the room?  You would, of course, pick up all expenses.  

There's a bit of back & forth about expectations...  And see if yours & hers overlap.  It might fly or it might not.

Nor have you even tried.  

Think you might want to consider taking some of that very same medicine you so willingly prescribe for others here?

People tend to overthink things, although, I'm one that doesn't believe in relationships with clients and active providers. I can not deny that I have been smitten by a few. As a matter of fact if I wasn't attached come retirement day I would have asked a certain someone on a date (free, because money isn't everything and obviously if I'm retiring I'm where I need to be) If I ever visit this person's hometown a free overnighter is coming his way. That's how captivated I am. (See how women are different, don't get me wrong provider or not I will always and have always been taken care of but money unlike now isn't the first thing I will think about if I'm into someone)  

My advice to you is like Jack said take things day by day and honey if I may be blunt know the beast you are dealing with. Most (certainly not me if read my post) provide a fantasy if you are smitten with this provider it means she's doing her job right. If she makes you feel like a million dollars, if she f*cks you the right way, looks in your eyes, makes you feel special website or not she's doing the right thing that's why you keep going back.  She's selling you a fantasy. And boy is she doing a hell of a job. Lord, if I could lie that well i would probably make a fortune, I'm too blunt, if i didn't cum I didn't. If you tell me something I'll give me my 2 cents I don't have many regulars and i think that's why. The few regulars I do have  know me on first name bases it's not a fantasy they seek it's a reality check. I don't sell them stories and in return they don't sell me stories. Simple. That's the way I like it!  

You believe that this girl likes you well let her prove it. Money is paper, let's see if she has the mind of a business person. Let's see if she will go out to dinner with you without you paying her, let's see if she meets you an hr earlier before your date (hour being on her of course) let's see if holidays come and she remembers you. These are all things I tell hobbyist that start to catch feelings for a provider, hey I'm not anti-provider but as a provider I know the tricks if I choose (like so many tell me) not to reveal them or practice them that's on me but think of a magician he's not going to reveal his tricks and his purpose is to wow you.  

It's like seeing Chris Angels and him giving you a lousy show, never, he's a businessman he wants you to come back doesn't he. Think wisely, know the beast.  

Don't go into the lions den get bitten and then get upset that a lion almost killed you.

END OF MESSAGE

I don't want her to prove anything by going to dinner with me for free.  I WANT to pay.  Just a question of the rate.  I would find the whole thing awkward if I stopped paying. Don't want to go there.

She remembers me on holidays.  Nice touch.

But I'm assuming you mean "Let's see" in the sense of her doing these OTC things without their being requested?  If not, that is a bit like saying a client doesn't care about a provider if he doesn't  follow her request for money without the time or sex.  

 

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If you're talking about advice to the OP I think he's already gotten some.  Not sure I have any experience in this kind of gray area.  As long as he handles it the way Jack said and doesn't fall for the Ho, he'll be fine.
For the record:  I don't do many extended dates and have managed to fend off hobbyists who seemed to be getting in too deep.  I really prefer not to travel with tricks, even if it's a vacay to a primo spot.

...being with someone for an extended period of time.  Two hours is one thing - we can avoid picking our noses and belching for that amount of time.  But a man's a man and eventually the true caveman will come out, even if it's just using the wrong fork at dinner.  It seems that's what the OP is worried about.  He's afraid she'll drop him if she's exposed to the "real him" for more than two hours at a time.

and I suppose even for the best (or worst) of us, too much togetherness can certainly sour a relationship.

Speaking strictly for myself, I thoroughly enjoy dinner, overnight and even multi day dates, but 2-3 days is about my max before needing some "alone time" Which is fine by me, it means my chances of ever getting married again are very very slim.

"Don't go into the lions den get bitten and then get upset that a lion almost killed you." I love this so I'm going to steal it ... reword it a little ... and pass it off as my own wisdom because I'm deep like that THANK YOU

Or you can do what I do. Just ask GaG for permission to "borrow" his best lines bc, so I have written permission when his attorney comes a knock in'!

I have traveled places with at least a dozen gals, and done overnights with at least another dozen.

I suggest you start off with a longer dinner date, then an overnight, before doing a multi-day trip.  You may find you each have habits that annoy each other.

My experiences have all been positive for the most part.  So conflicts inevitably pop up, such is life.

Just suggest a rate to her and see if she goes for it.  $1,500/ day for multi-days is about par.

You pay all bills of course.

Your item #3 is always a possibility.

Better to regret something you have done rather than something you haven't done

Now go and sit in the corner.

It could work. But don't push the issue with her. Definetly being friends is possible. Anything more you may have to take a "See How It Goes" approach. Some girls in this business are so personable that you can't help but fall for them.

If you are looking for an SO in the p4p world you are doing it wrong. IMO.

while you and your bum buddy keep regurgitating the same old shit on every thread...

once upon a time I found you quite amusing, now I just find you pathetically boring..

count a bean or two, eh..

and that will make us even... you haven't helped the OP even once either... you just took the opportunity to spew your redundant rhetoric on yet another thread without taking the time to read and comprehend the OP's query.

you and our favorite troll are welcome to stay true to nature and attempt to get the last word in like the twits you are. I will yield that to you (on this thread).

have a nice day.

Only one more unhelpful post and you'll get those nifty TER steak knives!  :

Your worry is that let's say you want to do a dinner date or an overnight, or whatever, but you don't know what the fee would be.  If it is too much, you don't want to be in the awkward situation of turning her down OR paying something that is too much for you so that you don't offend her.

The key is communication, you have spent time with her, you know each other a little bit, just say, "hey, since you don't have a website with your fees for dinner dates and overnights, I would like to know in case the two of us ever want to do that."    Bear in mind that there is a difference between saying "that is too much" and leaving the lady with the impression that perhaps you think she is not worth it and saying "I would love to do it, but based upon my financial situation, it is something I cannot afford at this time."    There is no shame in that, there are many things in life we all cannot afford - speaking of which, CRAP, I only got two numbers in the Powerball last night.