I think this is very true!

A very GOOD provider, now retired, once told me 98.99% of escorts hated their male clientele. She told me most great providers do a good job hiding it without giving off hate vibes. Over time even the great ones get jaded over time.

On the other hand BAD providers can't hide their hate vibes and it shows in their terrible service.

And something bored, angry, worn out providers cop to in the company of clients they use as sounding boards.

I have no doubt that many, if not most, providers are 'means to an end' service providers who work purely for money and as a job only.

But to say that most providers HATE (hate is pretty strong) or even dislike clients is going too far.

A lot of clients love to perpetuate this idea that providers hate men, hate their clients, hate sex, hate hate hate - and I think a lot of gratuitous self-loathing on the part of the men who think that.

There are so many extremes around here.

The remaining 1.01% who don't were probably on their period, grumpy, and lacked the ability to think straight.

The 98.99% can't get enough of me. Usually ask me which hotel I want them to book, give me preferential treatment, and priority when booking, voluntarily perform some acts that aren't normally on their menu sometimes cuz I make them so damn horny but mostly cuz they like me, and even give me gifts / personally handwritten note afterwords thanking me for being their favorite guy.

Of course, I put in a lot of effort on my side to prepare for the session as well. A little caring and thoughtfulness go a long way, IMHO

Although prostitution is a business arrangement, the guy is getting off on the fact that the woman doesn't want it. Basically you've consented to being raped for money.

Most providers learn to disassociate their body from their mind which is dangerous for the psyche.

Although corporate america is a business arrangement, the employers were getting off on the fact that I didn't want to be a part of it. Nobody forced these women and they consented to working for money.

Most employees learn to dissociate their mind from their body and it was dangerous for the psyche.

Sounds like your provider friend was streetwalker material, at best.  A website does not a courtesan make.

Did my earlier post inspire this one? LOL

Many provides despise their clients & despise men in general.  Many providers are lesbians or Bi & HATE dudes.  Most hobbyists are pretty nasty for sure, but this is a money game, & most providers LIE through their teeth (pretending they LIKE the assholes they see).

In private, most providers will admit this. Let's face it the HOBBY is full of lies and bullshit from both sexes.

I'm under no dreamy illusions! I pay, I fuck, and I leave!

let posts such as this one stay up. I'm amazed, really.

What good is it? Does it benefit anyone? Is there ANY reason for it at all?

On the contrary, I think. It drives people away from the discussion boards. Reflects poorly on TER. It doesn't even have enough outrageousness or bizarreness to spur a little interest like a "Jerry Springer Show" might.

It's a complete waste of time.

The OP is just trying to stir the pot, get a reaction, maybe bait some readers. But even in that sense, there is no mastery. It is just so poorly done,  that...

there are just no words for the utter waste of bandwidth that this post and ones like this are.

Just pathetic. Seriously.

Ugh.


HalfHour

it doesn't sound much like a scientific study. More, anecdotal than research based, and the author is unknown, and her evaluation is being reported by someone using an alias. Hmmm, I guess I will just have to go by my own anecdotal evidence relating to fantasies share with some young women. They were great experiences, though I have no idea whether they hated me or not.

until they come up with a "too stupid to be allowed" reason to deny asinine posts like this, I have no choice but to either allow this kind of drivel in the hopes the membership recognizes it for the crap it is, or make a unilateral decision on what is "too stupid" to be posted.

I believe that my "super mod powers" don't grant me the power to censor posts for being stupid, I do however reserve the right to call them as I see them and offer my opinion the same as the rest of you and FWIW I agree with you and the OP is nothng but a shit stirring troll.

If you can find a valid reason to disapprove his dumbass post, I am all ears.

and yes there are some shit disturbing trolls that actually do it with a bit of panache, the OP is unfortunately not one of them and is really just a poor excuse for a board troll

Like 95%

...that's worth quoting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HH

I suspect you want to see the guys jump down your throat and scream at the top of their lungs that you are wrong.  That the gals love their Johns and can't wait to see Johhny show up with Ben.

Many people "hate" their jobs.  That is a statistic that is periodically written and posted in the news media.  But generally that statistic is nowhere near your guestimate.  But if you have some evidence other than some provider told you that...heck most of the gals I see tell me how studly I am..but I suspect that they're puffing that stat up too.

I can only speak to my limited experience with the gals that I have met here.   And if too many of them "hate" their clients, that would really surprise me considerably.  I spend a lot of time reading people and their desires and needs, and the ladies here are no different.  They have dreams and aspirations just like anyone else.  While it is quite probable that a percentage of them "hate" their jobs, hence their clients, most go about their business...find some redeeming qualities about who and what they see...and get ready for that next chapter in their lives.

Just like all of us.

As I certainly am not qualified to comment on this psychological evaluation of yours.  

I apparently haven't met these providers that you are discussing.  Perhaps you can PM me with their names so I can do the research to confirm your hypothesis (purely from a statistical POV as I am not a psychologist and can't render an opinion on behavior)...But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express the other night

But as always...each of us has an opinion!

Neither is she, but I won't get into that...

However, I have a damn good educated guess who posted the thread and why.

And hell no! Don't nobody PM me cuz I ain't sharin'. Some things, believe it or not, I keep to myself.

But I have selfish reasons...

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It’s actually 98.97%

Or…12%. I forget……

Since we’re pulling completely arbitrary statistics out of our asses…lol…

I love my job. On the days I don't hate it. Such is life, and almost nothing is as simplistic as GOOD or BAD.

So the boys shouldn't trust the girls, and vice a versa? Pretty fucking grim outlook.

If that's prophetic about the way things are going to be around here, I don't see any point in paying to renew a membership here. Fuck it. Just go see your ads on P411, BP or WTF ever.

I can certainly do without wasting my time bantering with some man-hating (women) on a board I pay to be on. Might as well just have a PO and a RO board. No interaction between the two other than for the old, ugly, pathetic boys to make dates with the the ladies that need their rent and car payments kept up.

Really. What's the fucking point? I'm not that bored. Actually, might make me realize my potential in some other aspects of my life instead of wasting time on a bunch of money-grubbing (women) that don't give a flying fuck about the ones that pay their fucking bills, indirectally, and thought maybe they were worth a shit more than a roll in the hay.

This was educational. Thank you. Especially since your sisters didn't have the fucking nerve to reply and/or refute your comments.

Next time one calls, sends a PM, WTF ever, I'll ignore till I'm ready to get my dick wet. Right?

Our advances aren't welcome unless an envelope is expected and confirmed at this time of this day. Right?

Just say so. I'm a stupid motherfucker, I'll admit. But I'm not dumb. It takes me one time to learn a lesson. And by you, and any other lady admitting this, I hate to say will change the way a lot of guys think about you in general and act accordingly.

I hope my outlook on this whole deal is just me. Somehow, I doubt it though...

on the provider and the clients in question.

I do believe that successful providers fake to some degree their attraction to and enjoyment with clients. It's all for entertainment and I'm comfortable with that knowledge.

Now the psychological truth to this? Rumor has it that BOTH sides of this coin suffer from some sort of angst, be it minor or major

Where I come from, a $250/hr. escort is low-end, what I would expect to find on CL, BP, or maybe even walking the streets.  At that rate, she would be attracting lots of undesirables, so it is easy to see why she (and other ladies at the lower end of the price spectrum) would despise being a provider, and her clients.  Just because she is reviewed on TER doesn't mean she is top-flight.  The numbers you listed (99.98%) statistically mean that virtually all providers hate virtually all of their clients.  Maybe this is true of the overworked agency girls who see a half dozen clients daily, but not necessarily of the high-end indies who are seeing mainly repeat and regular clients when they are working.  In NYC, $400/hr. is the minimum that most of the quality indies earn, with many earning significantly more.  In my experience, these ladies are in this business because they choose to be, do not hate their clients, but rather appreciate those of us who treat them well.  

In closing , I respectfully disagree with your numbers, and your experiences in the hobby do not correlate with mine.  Have a good one!

Hate is an extremely strong word, & I don't think I've ever hated anyone in my entire life.. maybe strongly disliked someone, but never hated. And truthfully, I don't dislike too many of my clients, they are generally are great group of people, & the ones I disliked, were the one's who were rude, or crossed boundaries. We're people before we're providers, & believe it or not, you HAVE to like people AND sex in order to be in this business in the first place.. the one's who don't, usually do not last too long anyway.

And the comparison between rape & this hobby is so far off left field it's ridiculous.. if a woman doesn't want to do this, then she doesn't do it, except for the rare one that's being forced into it, but that is not a common occurrence if you're seeing highly reviewed ladies...

or did somebody else get ahold of your account?  you don't sound like your WTF self here...

I'm going to be as tactful as I can muster...

If we pulled every post that was put up by some moron or douchebag, this place would be a fucking ghost town.

Unlike the other mod and me, you guys are free to skip this crap.  Unfortunately, the big bucks and use of the TER jet require me to at least click on it and pretend to read what it says.  I'm sure that's not much help, but it's the best I've got.  K?

If I knew for a fact, that the women I saw and wanted to see hated my guts, I would leave this fucking thing in a heartbeat.

You're not worth it, when you think about it. I'm saying ladies here in general...

I'd just go back to fucking drunks from a bar or picking up strippers. Hell of a lot cheaper.

If the lady's attitude on this, and every other site was the same, What's the fucking point? Less legwork? Shit. I'd rather spend a $100 to get both of us drunk and fuck than spend $1000 for you to 'put up' with me.

Fuck that shit! I got a hell of a lot better things to do with my time and money!

Your 'sister' opened up Pandora's box.

lots of time on his hands to comeup up with useless posts.

Now you understand why 99.999% of providers don't like you. With mind like yours, who would?

Some fucking ladies here seem to think they're a necessity. They're not. They're a fucking luxury.

Foods a necessity. Shelter is a necessity. Transportation is a necessity. Pussy is NOT a necessity!

All it took was one to piss me off, with her holier-than-thou attitude how they hate guys and don't care about us.

You know what? FUCK YOU! Just cuz you get paid to fuck means you know all about fucking? SHIT!

I've fucked civvie girls that fucked just as well, if not better than any provider I ever fucked!

Just cuz you hang your shingle up, means you're your pussy is the best?

You know, some ladies need to cool their jets. Yeah, you're hot. And you can suck a dick. And take it in all your orifices. But someone said something to me about a friend of mine that I never thought I'd repeat till now.

You're not unique.

There is nothing you do that hasn't been done a million times, and won't be done a million more.

Get off your fucking highhorse and appreciate that someone wants to pay to see your un-original ass!

When I say 'you' I am saying providers in general, which is what I was confronted with originally.

Krystal, by all accounts, is a cool lady and just so happens to have walked into the middle of my ire.

My apologies to the lady. It wasn't directed towards her, and if she sees this I hope she knows this twisted scumbag by other's accounts is truly sorry if she thought I meant her harm and disrespect.

It's all about selling a fantasy folks! The ladies that do a great job selling this fantasy do well and those that don't suffer!

negative six (-6) for excessive disrespect of hobbyists or providers, plus a negative six (-6) for fomenting hate is kicked off for a couple of weeks to cool their hot heads.

If that's the case.... then 90% of the ones I've been lucky enough to spend some time with are better Actresses then Katharine Hepburn...

for everyone.She certainly does not speak for me.Maybe the provider you spoke with who is now retired did not like any of her clients.Honestly,the majority of gents that I have had the pleasure of meeting I would love to see again.I only had a couple in the year and a half of being Indy that I would not want to see again.Even those guys I would never say I hate them I do agree like another reply said hate is such a strong word.These guys did nothing to me we just did not click and that is okay you will not click with everyone you meet but nowhere near hate.For me to hate someone they would have had to put me seriously in a life or death situation.

I find it silly to attribute what one lady said to all providers.

Info comes from two providers with TER review scores of 8,9, and 10's! I asked what about the guys that write in their reviews that they made you cum several times, you were dripping wet, etc.....ALL FAKE according to them!

FYI, I'm under no illusions that they faked orgasms with me too. Even though they tell me, they are real.

Why is so hard for some of you to accept this? I do!

And guess what, sparky? Not everytime that a provider cums is a fake.

There is a less than desirable side to just about every situation that you run into in life.
And guess what? (again) the more you look at it, think about it, ruminate over it and talk about it, the more you feed it and contribute to it.

Give that a think, why don't you. It's obvious by the responses that the consensus view around here is that we could've all done without your ASSCLOWN post, even if you were just the "messenger", and  whether it was your "right" to post or not!

How bout you retire the alias and join in with the intent to contribute?


HH

I don't think i have ever hated any clients
Maybe a few were not my cup of tea...I actually really  LOVE what I do. I get excited, am aroused and I NEVER act. I enjoy being pleased and pleasing others.

Here's why.  If most men wanted a staged rape they could ask for it.  Even if they didn't, if a provider sensed (or wanted) such a scene they'd just fake that themselves.  Instead they fake that they're enjoying it.  Why?
In my case, my ATF once said (out of the blue, because I'd just goten there), "I am soooo gonna rape you!"  I told her to use me as she saw fit.  If she hated being in my presence and thought I would get off quickly at the thought of raping her, why did she spontaneously say she wanted to rape me?

Which I take personal offense to.

If anybody finds any reason for me to moderate, muzzle, or flog this asshole. Please let me know. I am begging for a reason.

and I can see "behind the curtain" I know exactly who this douche bag is, and now he knows EXACTLY how I feel.

I don't normally flame people with my name in red, but I want EVERYBODY, especially the douce bag OP to know my opinion on the post and the poster.

Unfortunately, ethics don't permit me to share his identity, so please don't ask.

And depression shows its ugly face in hatred. How would you feel if business took the joy out of sex. Well I would be depressed too.

I am a veteran hobbyist and have gotten to know many providers over the years. Under the sweet alluring exterior every one was lonley, angry, frustrated with life and close to if not completely broke. This was the same for the 22 year old college student to the 40 year old MILF. As hot as these women were. I can say that when they move on from the business, it will be tuff to settle into a normal healthy life. Can you say damaged goods?

This is a very harsh industry for women physically and mentally, wether they want to admit it or not. Sure I love sex as much as everybody else. Now have sex with people you are not attracted to, stink, are rough, mean or even intimidating. Now try to have a normal relationship with a boyfriend or husband at the same time. If she can keep that a secret then fine but that double life can have serious psychological consequences.

I've been a hobbyist for 16+years! I'll say it again and keep telling you all, most providers have a deep disdain for men! Sorry, it's the truth!

Good post!  But don't get too pissed.  First of all, you're believing a troll who's trying to get everybody's dander up.  Second, most of us disagree with him/her.  Read my earlier post on this, refuting the "rape for money" idea, which makes no sense at all.
Oh, and thanks for the link to your pix.  Hot stuff!

I definitely agree re the NY area, CD.  In fact, I've been with a few girls in the $250-$300 range who are outstanding and seem to love what they do.  The gal who said she was "gonna rape" me (see earlier post) is $300/hr.

Re hate vs. disdain, that's a classic distinction without a difference.  Yes, it's fantasy.  No news there, dude.  But the fantasy would never work so well if virtually all providers felt even disdain for their clients.  Sure, they're good actors, but they could not be good enough to pull it off so completely if virtually all of them felt disdain.  So, no matter what word you use, I say your OP is bull.

The OP is bullshit.  The ladies don't think they're unique.  They really do love your ass (well, not all of them! lol!).  You need to change your brand of beer, or tequila, or whatever.  Don't worry, be happy!

The Ladies tell me I'm so easy to talk to.

Well she sure had some stories to tell about her other providers and clients.

About 8 years ago there was a TER reviewed provider I used to see regularly. I scheduled an appointment to see her one day and she was so excited that one of her other regular clients had bought her a brand new $50,000+ SUV. This client was a mall developer, who had just won a large contract to build a mall. He had even offered to buy her a house, if she wanted one. While she was very appreciative of the gifts, she told me there was no way in hell, she could have a relationship with this guy and hoped he was NOT having any ideas about a "REAL" relationship. I guess she had him fooled good! In other words, she was perfectly okay taking his money, but had no use for him otherwise. This really opened my eye's! Over time, I realized deep down, she was a very angry woman, bitter woman who hated men. After 3 years of seeing her, she got so jaded, that I told her it wasn't fun for me anymore and I was moving on. She begged, pleaded with me to continue to see her and I did for a while. She was a hot lady! I finally came to my senses and left. BTW she later told me her ex husband had been mentally and physcally abusive towards her and had threatened to kill her.

Other ladies speak for me! I don't care how good she is or was.. It is a huge assumption to say that 98% hate their cleints..

For the most part. I very much enjoy all of my clients. If I don't they stop being a client....

Maybe between the weed, cocaine, and anxiety meds, and antidepressnats. Well, maybe not 99% but a very high percentage. I would venture to say that 66% of the providers.

Lets put things into context here. There are many women here who have their lives together. They make very good money, travel, handpick the clients they see and have a healthy family life. This may be the exception and not the norm. For every provider who owns a home, owns a nice car, regularly shops at Saks, has invested money invested (and I don't mean Implants), has a healthy relations with her family/SO, works out, actually finished college and could fall back on a corporate job if she wanted to stop providing   there are 10 girls who dont even one of these things. And for every 20 $100-HR backpage girls there may be one $500+ highly rated elite provider, educated, drug free, educated beauty who has her shit together and actually enjoys her job and life.

So BOTH providers tell you that...and you can from that statistical sampling make it into a 98.99% of the entire population set.

I have an opening in my firm...we need a guy/gal like you to create those phony statements that the SEC seems to ignore with frequency

BTW..who are these two providers...inquiring minds would like to know

Or are you just going to randomly throw some gals under the bus?

Why didn't you just tell us we should take your (and your mythical friends) word for this?

I like to see some real support behind a theory.  But as we discussed earlier, opinions are like assholes...we all have one.

I retract my job offer to you.  I thought you were a very talented statistician that could make miracles happen.  Apparently NOT!

I think it is likely that the woman who made this untrue statement intended to hurt you.  

She had become aware of your tendency toward excessive sensitivity to the remarks of others, and for her own reasons then chose to say this to you.

Yes, the exclamatory, sincere writing style makes the OP's "real" alias obvious.

The word "hate" or even "disdain" is fairly subjective, but I think the number she quoted is much, much higher than an accurate number would be. There are certainly some sex workers who identify some of their clients with the absent, neglectful, abusive, or narcissistic fathers they experienced as children, and who they understandably have been greatly disappointed by.

In those cases where the sex worker's negative reaction is uncalled for, it would be realistic for the client to understand that the sex worker's reaction to him may not be as much about him personally as he assumes it is.  It may be more a reaction to her past.  Or maybe she just had a bad day, LOL.

That is not to say, of course, that there are not clients who are themselves rude and/or abusive and cause a negative reaction from a sex worker because of their behavior.  





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yes i think you are on to something here and not just about the OP.

You have taken your own anecdotal experience and extrapolated it into a grand theory.  Are there a few truths in what you say?  Sure.  But you have used them to come to a conclusion that is a polar opposite with my experience, and, apparantly, that of many other posters.  What you say may be true of BP girls but not the women I see.  No point in a long argument, but I think I'm a pretty good judge of character with a very sensitive bullshit detector.  I have not met any angry, depressed or man-hating women.  BTW, depression can show its face in hatred but it doesn't always.

expressly derived from another member's handle (e.g. GaGamblersSmarterBrother) forbidden under the TER Terms of Service?

If it isn't, it should be.

Other forums that I'm a member off expressly forbid the use of derivative handles like that.

Even if he should really be your smarter brother LOL.

Got issues?  Geez!  Please don't ever call me.
And some people wonder why I require references!

I have worked in many other jobs...as a nurse most recently, but also spent a lot of time as a food server while going to school.  If any job can make you hate people-that one can!!!  Ask any food server and I'm sure they will tell you the same thing.  Hungry people can be very rude.  And passive agressive people can be bitchy and bossy to food servers knowing that the servers can't really do or say anything back because they are working.  So if some food servers hate all people because they see people at their worst...then I suppose it's possible that some providers hate their clients.  Lord knows horny guys can come on strong and be persistant.  But my clients are on good behaviour with me.  They are considerate and nice-for the most part.  I really like about 85% of my clients.  And that's the truth.  And it's also true that if I do not care for a potential client I will say that I'm not feeling chemistry with them and it wouldn't be fair for me to see them.  
I have spent a lot of time wondering about why every lady isn't a provider, actually, because it suits me so well, and my theory is this:
I believe that men can be physically attracted to women just because they look good.  Women are different.  Women become sexually attracted to guys only after they discover that they are really into the guy.  Guys like the way a lady looks and wants to fuck.  Lady's have to like the person the guy is before they want to fuck.  This is the usual way it works.  So providers are doing something that doesn't really come naturally to women.  So how did they get into this business?  i think if you figure that out about a lady then you will be able to guess if she has issues or not.  I've heard that  statistically speaking many dancers, porn stars, and escorts were sexually abused when they were younger.  But I think every lady has to reconcille herself to the fact that it's not natural to be intimate with strangers.  Not for a woman.  And in the beginning this can take its toll on a woman.  But it's easily overcome.  It's overcome with repitition, basically.  Then it becomes possible to relax and just let your body feel good and appreciate whatever qualities are apparant in the client. Then the individual clients and the experiences that we have and that we create are what determines whether or not we like our clients.  I have complete control over that 99% of the time.  Clients don't disrespect me or ignore my boundaries.  They are nice to me, give me what I want...all of my needs are met by being an escort.  So, if there is something that makes it difficult for other ladies to do what we do...then GOOD!  I'm very grateful that this is what I do and I really do like my clients.  

Don't know the percentage but sure there's some truth to the statement. From what I read
on different Blogs and different specials I've seen on TV on the subject of prostitution johns
carry a negative perception of geeks, weirdos, unattractive , older, older weight, social dysfunctional
people. I am sure there are those that meet that mark and then there are those you wouldn't expect
cause am sure there are more johns and tricks on the down low you wouldn't expect. You got Fireman,
police man, lawyers,correctional offices, fathers,brothers, husbands,men who frequent strip clubs, or people you wouldn't even expect who are johns all around you. Some johns are attractive and may be married and just do it cause it's convenient or drama free or cause its things they wife won't do. I been questioned a bunch of times by providers to why I do it cause am handsome and I know if I wanted to I have no problem in getting regular chicks. It takes the stress off being vulnerable to girls I date..cuts the BS I would otherwise be pressed to deal with to relieve sexual tension. I sure there are clients, some providers rather not deal with or hate dealing with and some they welcome and offer more things on the menu they wouldn't else do or for less...I've seen certain ads providers saying they don't want men younger than 30 or 35 , or thugs or only deal with white men..we forget that even though it is a business arrangement and your paying ...A..you choose but ultimately she has the over decision..B..you have to take pride in your look, the way you carry yourself, the way you treat her cause overall outside of money that stuff affect your position in business arrangement and negotiating power or overall experience. No matter how much you pay, you can't buy if she actually really likes you or shows a real interest or how into the session she is.