what breaks the mold, its not looks or anything it's personality, it's the twinkle in his eyes when he sees you. No longer about sex or money as a matter of fact I feel having sex ruins it, I don't know why. There are people that I meet that I'm like damn I don't want to sleep with you or want your money because you are so awesome. Let's not ruin it. (that's just me)
Even in the hobby it complicates things. Just the willingness and not for nothing when you grow up on the other side and you see things you just know and read people. Thats what makes a man stand out to me. I have 1 or 2 TER crushes, and most likely many would disagree with my choices (ask me no questions and I'll tell no liesI was doing dinner and drinks one night this week with two of NY finest providers. During dinner the conversation turned to what makes your favorite stick out? We were all shocked by the reasons and thoughts on why someone is a favorite and the answer had nothing to do with money on the women's side and nothing to do with looks on my side. For providers you have seen 10 clients 30 clients 50 clients etc etc. What makes the one or two guys stand out who you hold in higher regard than everyone else? Why do you trust that one guy more than you trust everyone else? For the clients same question in reverse. You have seen 20 girls what makes your favorite stand out? Why do you feel more comfortable with her where you can let your guard down where you wouldn't with anyone else.
Let's see where this goes.
For me it's not the looks or performance (although both are important) it's the intangibles,the conversation - not strained, forced or artificial. Its like we are long lost friends or have always been friends. A look, a smile, a genuine touch. Just getting all mushy here
yes intangibles.
for me, if the lady is able to make me feel as if she is truly enjoying my company above and beyond the envelope, if she makes me feel as if she listens to my needs and wants (and extra points to those that can listen without needing words to hear), if a lady makes me feel as if i am the most special guy she knows if only for the hour and a half i am with her, that's the lady i go back to, again and again.
currently i have 3 atfs here in town (and another who, alas, moved to nyc) and they all, in their own ways, make me feel like they truly enjoy my company, sexually and otherwise.
they are the girls i see again and again (seeing one next week, and another a couple weeks after that.
what breaks the mold, its not looks or anything it's personality, it's the twinkle in his eyes when he sees you. No longer about sex or money as a matter of fact I feel having sex ruins it, I don't know why. There are people that I meet that I'm like damn I don't want to sleep with you or want your money because you are so awesome. Let's not ruin it. (that's just me)
Even in the hobby it complicates things. Just the willingness and not for nothing when you grow up on the other side and you see things you just know and read people. Thats what makes a man stand out to me. I have 1 or 2 TER crushes, and most likely many would disagree with my choices (ask me no questions and I'll tell no lies
) but it;s sexy to me when a man is honest. Doesn't matter he's honest. He's confident enough not to sell you the dreams that every John is. That's just like me. Why sugar coat, why hide under an alias? I love a man that's sweet and respectful but has BALLS.
What's this sensitivity thing. "Yeah let me be a p* say and say something on the reviewer only board because I can't say it in the General discussion section" to me that's being p*ssy. I'm not saying names have to be mentioned but be true. Be blunt, I'm blunt, my regulars know there isn't a fantasy with me I'm honest if I ain't feeling it I'm not lol I'm not going to pretend and act. F*ck that too many phonies in the real world it's to the point where if you don't like it all well don't see me.
Honesty, trust and BALLS in a man is what attracts me.
Not many men out there like that.... the pussification of this country is through the roof.
Glad to see you posting again.
and yes, it's not just the pussification of this country, but the pussification of this board that bothers me in particular, if a man can't show some huevos on an anonymous fuck board, just where can he show some stones?
I think it's ridiculous, so not appealing. If I wanted to be with women I would be a lesbian. Just saying!
but I agree that being spineless is akin to being desperate, it's simply not sexy.
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Honesty, trust and BALLS in a man is what attracts me.
It encompasses generosity of spirit, kindness, curiosity, intelligence, consideration, respect... someone who respects my time and business, but whose company I can also enjoy. Someone I can look up to or admire as a person.
I just met a guy today. He pre-booked one of my shorter appointments about two weeks ago, and asked me to come out to the Meadowlands to see him (and book a hotel). As I had no other dates (and I got a really good vibe), I agreed to do so. In the meantime, I got a mid-afternoon date in NYC, and booked a hotel for that. Then, I got literally 4 other requests for tonight, all in NYC, all for longer appointment times. But, I kept my original date, because, as I said, I got a good vibe, and I could tell he was genuinely looking forward to our date (he said it was like Christmas Eve!). I didn't want to disappoint him, and I also instinctively knew I'd like him.
I can't tell you what specific factors contributed to the good vibe I got. Just a sense of positivity and warmth
An unguarded moment reveals so much...
In one instance, a provider said something and then immediately apologized for having broken the fourth wall. My response was that while I realized that she was putting on a performance (and obviously very well, since this was not our first date), it was more important that she was having the kind of fun she liked, rather than running the script she thought I wanted run. That I had no preconceived notion of how things should go, and that revealing little bits of herself was actually better. With her little slip-up, and her response to my response, she promoted herself from 'ridiculously attractive & skilled' to 'favorite'.
In another instance, during a break on our third date, a provider confessed to big bad trouble she had gotten into many years ago. She was expecting a cautionary speech from me, and probably that this would be the last time we met. "There but for the grace of God go I", was my response, followed by my tale of having been doing the EXACT same thing at that age. The only difference was that I didn't get caught. "If you want to be judged harshly for that, you're gonna need to find someone else". Our rapport scores 11 on the TER scale since then. Total favorite.
So - appearance, not a factor. Quality of sex, not a factor. The person behind the persona, major factor.
extends beyond the "date". Both of us at risk, if you will. Both of us OK with some secrets that we know and trust will not harm us.
Confidence that you have someone who will help you out and/or watch your back. Small demonstrations of that. Or will tell you when you are being a fucktard, and know you won't blow up about it.
Great comfort and fun in one anothers company. Like any good friend.
Not just about sex or looks; let's face it, there is always someone hotter or younger or wilder out there on the horizon.
I don't think you choose an ATF at all; you choose each other
Confidence that you have someone who will help you out and/or watch your back. Small demonstrations of that. Or will tell you when you are being a fucktard, and know you won't blow up about it.
Great comfort and fun in one anothers company. Like any good friend.
Not just about sex or looks; let's face it, there is always someone hotter or younger or wilder out there on the horizon.
I don't think you choose an ATF at all; you choose each other.
and we have good conversation and get to connect on emotional level
i agree with earlier posters it is intangibl
i agree with earlier posters it is intangible Business paid time for passionate and good conversation and connect on emotional level.Show up hobbyists make appointments without money see what happen with working girls.
...and it's her wonderful larger-than-life personality as much as her physical beauty that still has me thinking about her and I've been comparing every other lady to her since. She had just the right amount of aggressiveness and didn't have one insincere or shy bone in her body. Gawd I miss her ![]()
In what makes a man stand out for me 'here'...
He....
Doesn't frustrate.
Doesn't lie.
Doesn't hide. (on or off or behind the boards)
Knows how to plan a date. I mean a real date.
Isn't a talker. Actually acts upon his word.
Keeps his word.
Doesn't talk behind your back. (ahem backchannel)
Is a true man.
His donation becomes more than a donation. (will not explain)
Would never cheat you in the donation regard. Ever. Quite the opposite.
Doesn't frustrate.
Doesn't have ridiculous unicorn expectations.
Keeps it real.
Doesn't sugarcoat.
Wants good things for you.
Becomes a friend. Not a client.
Speaks and writes less verbiage which says more.
Chooses his words wisely.
Is sn excellent communicator.
Doesn't frustrate.
Gives what is asked.
Has extreme balls in the sweet way (I get ya Roxanne)
Understands what this world is about and what makes a woman tick...here.
Simply .. He gets it. (many don't)
Now...does he exist? Perhaps lol. Perhaps not lol.
In this complicated web we weave of companionship. But this is how it 'should' be (in my opinion). Makes the other frustrating components some men create here evaporate.
G xo
PS. Great post Zak. Glad to see you're having fun, found a few you click with and doing it right. That's what makes a real man...'here'.
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i'm with you all the way gg except i think back channeling can be a vital part of research. the phrase "back channeling" does itself sound rather duplicitous, which is why i prefer just saying "i pm'd the guy."
all of my back channeling/pm is innocuous, and not anything i wouldn't say to a lady's face, because what i ask for from fellow mongers and what i give is strictly factual information, no opinions or shade.
such as mostly, specifics about tattoos (how many how large where) or why someone gave such a rating, or why i gave such a rating.
also, if you had a bad time with a client, but it was only down to chemistry between the two of you, wouldn't you want that fact to be expressed? "i didnt' enjoy her myself, but she is competent and i am sure other guys would enjoy her, ymmv."
another thing that can't be expressed easily on reviews is comparisons to individual providers. sorry to say it is sometimes necessary, especially if a monger has a limited budget and is down to picking among 2 or 3 ladies; if i have seen all 3 i'm happy to express my opinion about who was the most interesting time.
sorry gg, if back channeling makes me less of a good client, then i am not the client for you.
sad face ![]()
What would ever lead you to assume and believe that all "backchannelling" is the tale of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Cause its not. And I'm pretty sure i don't need to tell you why. You're a smart guy.
G xo
all of my back channeling/pm is innocuous, and not anything i wouldn't say to a lady's face, because what i ask for from fellow mongers and what i give is strictly factual information, no opinions or shade.
such as mostly, specifics about tattoos (how many how large where) or why someone gave such a rating, or why i gave such a rating.
also, if you had a bad time with a client, but it was only down to chemistry between the two of you, wouldn't you want that fact to be expressed? "i didnt' enjoy her myself, but she is competent and i am sure other guys would enjoy her, ymmv."
another thing that can't be expressed easily on reviews is comparisons to individual providers. sorry to say it is sometimes necessary, especially if a monger has a limited budget and is down to picking among 2 or 3 ladies; if i have seen all 3 i'm happy to express my opinion about who was the most interesting time.
sorry gg, if back channeling makes me less of a good client, then i am not the client for you.
sad face
it goes the other way, too.
why would you think the back channeling i engage in is all lies? and if i receive information from various sources, why would you think i would not be able to discern veracity from rumor by considering the source and how the information is presented?
i am sorry that people spread lies, but you can't want to shut down specific channels of communication because people spread lies. because people spread truth, also.
if people have lied about you in pm's, i am sorry
Well as long as you take it at face value and know that there are some here with not so good intent sometimes when "she" doesn't do anything wrong, simply cause the john doesn't get what he wants ... then good. Glad you can tell the difference. Many can't.
PS..."if"
G xo
She is one of the sweetest women I have ever met. She is the most beautiful, sexy woman that I have ever met.
I once told her, as she was curled up in my arms during the down time, that she made me feel like a King. She said "you deserve to feel like a King", and she said it with enough conviction that at that moment I believed her. I asked her once "how does it feel when you walk into a building and know that you are the most beautiful woman in the whole place"? Her response "I don't think that way". I said "I know, and that makes you even more beautiful".
On top of all that, she gives the very best head I've ever had, real DT not deep mouth.
Chemistry! It's either there, or it isn't. It doesn't matter what she looks like, how much she weighs, what her religion or race is, nor how big her tits are. Some ladies, who take their craft seriously, require a second or third visit to determine the realness of the connection. But most of the time you can tell right away. My magic number is three. If I see you beyond a third visit, then it's going to double figures. If you were to look at the list of ladies I've seen over the years, and the number of visits, you'd see hundreds of ladies with one visit. About thirty ladies with two visits. Almost twenty ladies with 3 visits. And the ones with great chemistry, about ten ladies, no more than two in any one time period, with double figure visits, and beyond. With true chemistry comes my loyalty.
There have been two exceptions. One lady and I had this incredible chemistry going for two visits, and then she retired. I tried to see her for a third visit on her last day, but Murphy's Law ruled. The other exception is a lady I see about once a year. She has absolutely zero connective skills, but the sex is so hot, I make an exception for her when the chemistry ladies are busy.