and where are those idiot mods when you need them?

You have posted accurate information. You've also interwoven your personal views, which are easily distinguishable by persons with a working knowledge of this topic.

Those personal views do not come from working experience or degree level study. No insult to you, or condescension here on my part, but behavioral health as understood by the public-at-large is way behind other advancments in public understanding.

I'd compare it to the equivalent of health and medical knowledge, in the public, of 100 years ago. I'd compare the general care and concern generally given to the subject to that of racial and women's issues 50 years ago. As a public we're way behind!

General misunderstanding is compounded and perpetuated by all the fuax-info presented on the matter in a media sound-bite style that is the norm these days. One can't just read up on it and get a good handle on it. Not this topic.

So, I'm frustrated when I read fuax-info posts like this. You  have (a) presented some accurate information (DMS4 to DMS5 classification), (b)left out pertinent information (it's a spectrum disorder) then you've make a poor and unsubstantiatable assursion (they are dangerous).

No one who is credible and practicing in the field today would make the bold sweeping conclusion you make that having Antisocial Personality Disorder makes someone dangerous.

What IS DANGEROUS is that ovesimplification.

Furthermore, one cannot identify APD in another person by spending the amount of time with them that one would in a standard hobby situation. One may not even be able to identify SEVERE and DANGEROUS APD it in a workmate, loved or relative. (Don't forget, John Wayne Gacy Jr. was adored.)  

There is no evidence or even suggestion that there are more people with ASP in the hobby, either male or female, the public at large. In fact, certain characteristics of ASP, would lend itself to steering a person away from the hobby, either as a client or a provider.

That, of course, is also speculative as there is no data, but if you follow up on my assersion, you will find it to be the more common deduction from someone in field. (I'm basing that off working in this field.)

So, warning and alarm is unneeded. I think that is dangerous also. Low-knowledge psuedo-diagnosing others is never beneficial. Ever.

So, with all due respect to an otherwise well written post, and a serious post at that, I say:

Your concluding statement "When encountered in the world of commercial sex, these dangerous people should be avoided" is of no real value to anyone.

It is like saying "When you oncounter a person that might be a serial killer, avoid them."

Thank for reading my reply.


HH





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learn that there are sociopaths and psychopaths. Most mental health professionals who work in the prison system can tell you the difference between the two, or even most criminal lawyers for that matter.

So, speaking in your terms, regarding the lack of ability to empathize with others, what prompted you to post this?  Perhaps you are the problem of which you speak, because I can't imagine anyone here experiencing the need receive your message. Hence, you have failed to empathize with us!

Damn, where are the Mods. when you need them!

Nobody would be stupid enough to put you in charge of a coffee machine, much less expose themselves to the liability of hiring a moron like you to give professional advice?

and if you'd quit making stupid posts, maybe we might stop expressing our hostility towards you.  Have you ever considered the chance that maybe we just don't like you because you are an unqualified idiot?

That's a lot better topic than Madiba's typical psychobabble bullshit. It's bad enough that he posts psychobabble, but it's worthless psychobabble to boot.

Now about Carlos Beltran, as much as it pains me that he isn't going to Atlanta, he might be just what the low scoring Giants need. Remember what happened last year when their bats got hot at the end of the year, he could be the bat they need to replace Posey.

and I guess I have blown another alias, I'll give you one guess as to who this is. lol

That's a lot better topic than Madiba's typical psychobabble bullshit. It's bad enough that he posts psychobabble, but it's worthless psychobabble to boot.

Now about Carlos Beltran, as much as it pains me that he isn't going to Atlanta, he might be just what the low scoring Giants need. Remember what happened last year when their bats got hot at the end of the year, he could be the bat they need to replace Posey.

and I guess I have blown another alias, I'll give you one guess as to who this is. lol

"I am not a real sociopath, but I play one on TER"

I admit I did hold back from sarcasm, irony, and humor. The reasons aren't important, but I did and I admit it.

I'm sorry to whomever that dissapoints.

Not to worry! I assure you I am not slipping! Just because I didn't drill a new hole into Whorist Gump for the bloated silly turd of a post he made, does not mean I'm losing my edge.

There are many sides to ol' HalfHour, and far more compansion, tolerance, and understanding in him than his alias-wielding, or elitist, or drunken-stupor detractors would give him credit for.

And yes, I am a dude. If you're sceptical, you may suck my cock and find out.


HalfHour

Jesus fucking Christ! Now I understand exactly where you are coming from.

Those piece-of-shit medical bureaucrats have been afforded way to much power, and have abused it horribly. They should be stripped of there licenses, and jailed for what they do.

I am very familiar with what you are refering to and it is extremely controversial in the psych community. I put it right up there with the psychiatrist conceived ideas that pedophilia can be healthy for both child and adult when done properly.

No wonder you didn't respond to my reply. You sir, have been duped.

Your lofty language may have some appearance of knowledge, but you are just full of shit.

NO FUCKIN' SMILEY

HalfHour

And you can't do it.

Yes I'm calling you out on this bullshit.


HH

Why? Really just why?

Yes, they are there, and they are worth talking about.

First, both terms are poorly defined, and subject to misuse in the popular media. From a diagnostic standpoint, the classification Antisocial Personality Disorder is a better term, and is likely to be carried over from the DSM4 to the DSM5.

My own evolving view on the causes of this disorder is that there may be a genetic predisposition, in which subsequent gene transcription and expression are in some cases affected by early environment. I would link this to Bowlby's Attachment Theory, in that when the infant does not form a secure attachment with the primary caregiver (usually the mother), and as a result does not form the neural networks (and does not do the neural "pruning") which occur in most people's brains during infancy, the result is a disordered brain which leads to the behaviors typical of Antisocial Personality Disorder.

So, enough science.  Why are these people potentially dangerous when they are encountered in the world of commercial sex?  Because they are unable to empathize with other people, and for that reason are capable of harming others without any sense of remorse.  They are all the more dangerous because they are often very good at conning other people into believing that they DO experience empathy, so that they can better exploit them.  And it is the exploitation of other people for personal gain that is their goal.

This is not to say that everyone in the world of commercial sex who is an exploiter has Antisocial Personality Disorder.  People exploit other people for all kinds of reasons.  The hallmark feature of Antisocial Personality Disorder is not the exploiting behavior, but the inability to feel remorse afterward.

When encountered in the world of commercial sex, these dangerous people should be avoided.

Someone please shoot me in the fucking head.

Half of this stuff you could have left out because most people already learned this in college or at least high school. This is nothing new, sorry for the criticism, but this was just plain STUPID to read.

It's not as easy as you might think for the less experienced.

A professional acquaintance of mine was a resident psychiatrist at San Quentin State Prison in California, and got pretty good at it.  Her professional appraisals had a huge impact on the individual's chances of being paroled.

If anyone wants to learn how to spot them, a good start is to try to gain information about their personal history, as was obvious  from my description of the causes of ASPD.  It's obviously easier to do this in a forensic setting, but it can still be done even in a commercial sex encounter, if you know how.

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Of all the times for you not to scream out your alert!  You're slipping dude, if you even are a dude.  

Methinks I've found one over yonder.  Your SQ friend seems to have let one sneak past her cuckoo vision.

From the tone of your post,  I don't think you are here to judge but rather to talk shop.  I'm fascinated about what makes us and how we are shaped.  Seriously I'd like to hear your tips about how to spot them.

that we should avoid dangerous people?

What do you think all the security screening and so on is for?

We providers already KNOW that there are dangerous people out there. That's why we constantly request certain relevant information. (Yes, yes, I know about the rest of the info some want; I said RELEVANT information).

When hobbyists don't provide the information critical to us, like a real name, valid phone number and consistent email, it makes us feel that you're a potential danger to our health and welfare - and we'll avoid you.

But, I'll give you this, if a newbie provider reads this, it might give her another reason to start screening if she hasn't done so up to now.

I think TheLoveGoddess did a very good job of providing information on her area of expertise, human sexuality.

One important skill for any therapist is be able to "contain" the expression of negative affect by their clients.  Basically, they sometimes need to feel "safe" expressing hostility toward you.  Once they understand this, the joint therapeutic work can begin.  This is not true for all clients, but for some, if is critically important.  

Now, one thing I can tell you from experience is that posting on the TER discussion boards gives you plenty of practice at that, LOL.

it's not like I was really trying to hide my identity. and the OP already knows what a douche I think (know) he is. lol

my hostility for you.  Douchebag!  Please take your pompous-assed, bullshit thread and  shove it  up your pretentious ass.  What the fuck is happening to this board?
nick
PS:  Yes, it's just me spoofing my own handle.  Why, oh why, didn't one of you clowns take this alias first and use it to flame me?  I'm beggin you, please help my hijack this fucked up thread!

MP67's only living alias!  LOL!  Nah, not enough "fuck, fuck, fuckety fucks" in it. The only thing a really care about is who the Mets get for Beltran's worn-out knees. And, yes,  this thread has been hijacked GaGa.  Say, whaddaya think about my latest alias?  Can't believe no one invented this one to use against me.  And, BTW, what's wrong with this fucking board!  More boring posts today than in a very long time.  Need to knock over some furniture.

Since everyone agrees you're stating the obvious

I can prove it to you.  Mine touch my knees.

Good reply!


HH

Too many drunks on these boards.  

Interested in knowing who the other drunk is, tho. lmao

at least Uggla has broken out of his funk, that helps immensely.

Beltran would have been a great bandaid for this year, long term inooky is right, he spends too much time on the DL, we've already endured that with Chipper for years, we don't need another high priced star that can't stay on the field, but I sure wish we had him today.

and yes I've been a Braves fan for a few years now, I am a gambler first and my loyalty is to my wallet, but I will admit to being partial to the Braves.

Explains a lot. You know, there's patients' rights groups you can join.

Multiple Personalities?

Posted By: HalfHour

"I am not a real sociopath, but I play one on TER"

I admit I did hold back from sarcasm, irony, and humor. The reasons aren't important, but I did and I admit it.

I'm sorry to whomever that dissapoints.

Not to worry! I assure you I am not slipping! Just because I didn't drill a new hole into Whorist Gump for the bloated silly turd of a post he made, does not mean I'm losing my edge.

There are many sides to ol' HalfHour, and far more compansion, tolerance, and understanding in him than his alias-wielding, or elitist, or drunken-stupor detractors would give him credit for.

And yes, I am a dude. If you're sceptical, you may suck my cock and find out.


HalfHour

Rachel Dratch?  Humongous melons.  I bet they do touch her knees.  I wouldn't fuck her with your dick.

Didn't know you were a Braves fan.  Just went to the Braves game last night.  Braves need one more bat to make a run.  Beltran would of been a good pickup.

Let's see what you think when one of Beltran's knees gives up the ghost in Sept.  I hope  I'm wrong, and he can be a hell of a ball-player, but he's been on the DL as much as he's been off it since joining the Mets.  He has never been the player he was with Houston.

it's very hard. as a rule folks with Antisocial Personality Disorder who are successful also have sufficient skills to fake a degree of empathy. it is surprising that according t the reference there is a 4% incidence of this disorder. it is probably higher in the hobby. THAT is the main reason why the 4Fs are a good idea for most. the illusion on both sides does not get disturbed.

1) laws and rules don't apply: not caring about the consequences of getting in trouble.  that's why screening has an advantage over taking references. a reference may not tell the story. but even then sufficient skill at avoiding arrests might cover this up, but only for a while. overconfidence and other bad habits will eventually attract attention.

2) inability to think of _consequences_ for anyone else. it's hard to define. there is an asymmetry in thinking and expectations.  the only _calculation_ of consequences (there is no feeling involved) is in regard to what might hapen to the person with the disorder.

there are no quick tips. observation over time would be necessary.

I encountered one a while back that I believe suffers from the above referenced disorder. She was/is quite the mess!

I prolly wouldn't have chosen an alias that contains 'tough' so I'm not exactly wishing I thought of it first.

btw, from one drunk to another, who are you?  lol

Well it's time for me to get something to drink. The night is young, like Sum-Young-Guy. lol

Blue Label seems nice right about now. Good thing another drunk asian bastard that I do biz with gave it to me as a gift. ( Expensive gifts might be 'bribery' to conservative white folks but happens very regularly in the asian business setting. lol .)

Hmm, for the record I'm against bribery. Off the record. Umm, I'm not complaining. Now you know I'm REALLY asian. lmao

Btw are you Asian or just enjoy the way it goes with drunk?  I'm the dude making Alias names that really do make me lol.

It can't really be reduced to "tips", but I'll post a couple of vignettes in a while to flesh out the symptom criteria in narrative form.

criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Which is not to say that the person you met could not have NPD.

I looked at the symptoms/behaviors list for NPD and was able to check off numerous traits that she exhibits. Kinda scary but I don't think she'd ever hurt anyone, except in their pocketbook.