I have asked before on the boards about asking a provider if she's ok with cof. I've learned it's not polite to ask about it on initial contact unless she lists services specifically.
I would try asking about it on initial contact and then get black-listed by a few providers.

Recounting sessions during the past year.
Then I saw a few providers on a session each. I would ask them nicely during the session, and each of them would say sure. And sometimes dirty talk like spray it on my lips and cheek while I'm getting there. Two of them as I came would grab my dick and keep it mashed to their tits so it would stay on their tits and at most their chin.
Two others I had good rapport with upon meeting just sat still as they got me off with hj after saying it was ok to cof.

I even saw a provider I had seen at least seven times and was very friendly with. And she did the same thing after I asked about cof and she said "go for it". Again, grabbed my dick and kept it away from her face.

A few years ago I tried holding on to my dick and ended up actually struggling with a provider who grabbed my dick at the same time and it was a struggle for a few seconds as I came over our fingers instead. After she had said it was ok for cof.

Maybe I need to copy those porn guys and grab the ladies hair and muscle my dick into position for the facial finish which you see on 95% of all porn scene endings these days as opposed to being rare in the 80's and 70's.  But that wouldn't exactly be like a TER gentleman.

I'm tired of wasting hundreds, now thousands of dollars for years trying to find a facial finish with a provider I'm actually attracted to. Paying 1k for a past AVN awarded pornstar with famous Peter North you-know-what famous finish scenes doesn't help either. I tried it once and she kept covering me with her hand as I got close.


Remember in the review section there is cim, cim or swallow, no cim but facial. Been like that for maybe a decade.

That needs to be changed to "no cim&facial"


Comments, advice, castigation, or just have a good laugh.

Did it ever occur to you that make up and hair take time?  After you COF  (hopefully you will manage NOT to get any jizz into her eyes while you are at it) she has to redo her make up and hair.  Not "fix it" but completely redo.

Oh and yeah genius, next time do try and grab some girl's hair and COF using force. Then see yourself blacklisted all over the hooker universe for being violent asshole.

Interesting responses and ideas thank you. After reflecting about this topic more, I can only think cof is extremely personal and crosses the boundaries of services vs. exclusivity of a personal sexual relationship. Seeing so much of it in porn is like a CGI special effect, something that realistically hardly happens outside of porn unless you happen to be a porn actor. It's a business, and new starlets and veteran milfs have to have these facial scenes in their resume sometime to be taken seriously these days.

I can also come to conclusion most providers, even my ATF's just tolerate me and don't even like me and I just plain suck with personality defects. I can see that by reading other reviews of other guys boasting facials with my ATF's and having a grand pse level time.

So just have lower expectations I suppose. It's a visual fantasy addiction massively promulgated by the porn industry more so than ever before today.

And when providers say "yes" that service is available, learn to take it as an emphatic no, or maybe in a blue moon. The "yes" is just to keep you in the  session. So even if they did whatever shenanigan to keep out a of a facial, you're still obligated to pay the whole fee. I've been rejected by providers already for even mentioning it.

So some ideas for TER reviews: Facial - no, ymmv, yes /wo cim, yes /w cim, yes /w cim&swallow, yes &no eyes. etc.

Should be a completely separate pull-down tab from cim.

I had tried that. A provider who had read my reviews and admonished me about it during my session saying I was disrespectful and crude. I ended up editing/rewriting the reviews with approval from the staff.

Thanks for the nice understanding comments. That's an interesting point about the eyes I hadn't heard of. I think another issue I have is wanting the cof with an ATF I have feelings for. Because of having read other guys' reviews and feeling left out. And she would do what I mentioned in the OP when I asked for the specific service. I don't even shoot it out and my ATF's know it but don't trust me enough to keep it away from the eyes.

there is no denying that the top rated providers on ter offer a wider range of menu.

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..... my motto is you can go pretty much anywhere but the hair lol.

Cute, Mocha, but easier said than done.  Have you ever tried to aim one of these damn things when it's about to go off???  You could put somebody's eye out!  lol!

Most of us hire providers wanting specific things. If the provider doesn't provide that thing, god bless her for being honest. What she does or does not do is entirely up to her.

On the other hand, if she agrees to it before taking the donation and then doesn't do it, you've been ripped off and should write your review accordingly.

"Not in the hair!"   I was just having this discussion today with another provider!  And "not in the eyes!"  

And as for the other post, YES, YOU COULD PUT AN EYE OUT WITH THAT THING!!!


xoxo
Laina

..... if he'd try.....that'd be really, really great. lol

I'd also agree that a separate service category for facials in the review template would be best.  It's not always apparent or easy to scour each and every review to look for whether a facial is OK or not.  Maybe the category should be "facial with no cum dodging"!!!!

It's kind of amusing to me how this topic always seems to incite the comments about how terrible it is that a guy would want to do this.  Yet, turn the tables, and I see gals all the time who advertise about squirting and I've yet to read a guy's review who proclaims that the girl squirting in his face was disrespectful.  In fact more often than not, the guy seems to enjoy being squirted in the face.

I am trying to visualize a guy and a provider wrestling over his penis trying to aim it at (or away) from her face.  On a certain level, it's hilarious.

Seems to me there are two issues here. The OP says he wants COF but knows to wait 'til he has seen the provider before asking. (I have to assume it's not in her TER profile that she will.) Many have mentioned that a specific COF category on the profile would be helpful in finding one that will accommodate his desire. That's probably a good idea. So issue one is finding providers that will allow and/or enjoy COF.
But he also mentioned that after being told, Yes, COF is OK the providers have failed to follow through. They even went so far as to prevent it from happening. Absolutely providers have to right to offer what they want to offer and don't have to to do anything they aren't comfortable with. But when asked point blank: Will you do COF now and you say yes you will and then you don't that is another issue. If you say you will, you should. If you say you will and you don't that's deceitful. Issue two then is those that said they would and then did not. One poster addressed this when she said in the heat of the moment it might sound good but then reality sets in. I agree with the other poster that addressed this when he said the review should point out that something promised was not delivered. (By promised I don't mean it was in their profile but it was promised during the session and then not delivered.) Of course there would have to be consensus before the festivities begin on whether COF is OK. It sounds like a discussion of the definition of COF might be a good idea too sense many of the providers said yes and then did it on their chest instead.

I can't stop laughing too!  That visual is killing me!  

But on a serious note, not cool about fighting over the aim!

That stuff might blind ya,
Laina

That makes no sense. Like I said, if she does not want to do it, that is her choice and you need to respect her decision, but if she agrees to it and takes the donation with cof as part of the bargain then doesn't provide it, she has ripped you off.

Cof isn't something that appeals to me but if it is part of the agreement, stated up front before services rendered and donation paid, it should be honored like any other agreement for services. If a provider considers it a "rude" request, she should tell you that and book someone else. You need to respect her limits and not push it.

Providers who don't honor agreements are the ones we want to avoid and that is what TER is for. Reporting those who don't should be allowed as part of the review process. On the other hand, there are always two sides to every story and I'm sure many providers can give examples of negative reviews that are not at all factual, but motivated by a misunderstanding or going outside the agreement on the part of the the client even though they provided what they were paid to do.

I have to say I've never had this problem. I've been with a total of 12 providers, asked about COF with 11 of them, and never had a "no." So I painted each of those faces, some on multiple occasions. I must admit I like the power, freedom, and feeling like a porn star. But it kind of gets old after a couple of times with a specific girl, and I'd much rather come in their mouths. I usually wait until the BJ has started before asking, and I've surely never struggled with a provider over the aimpoint for my shot. You may want to get VIP, make sure its in the reviews, and then when asking, mention what you had seen in the reviews. If she says no, or cum dodges, and the lack of COF is a deal-breaker, don't see her again. I certainly wouldn't force the issue by grabbing her hair, your cock is way too exposed...

finish, I asked for COF.  Well, after making out for about 10 minutes, she went to her knees and began her fantastic BBBJ.  When I was about to cum, she grabed Mr. Happy and held it against her cheek as I spurted all over her face, but not in her eyes.  She now does lots of porn besides providing.

It seems to me an up front disclosure of expectations would solve the "problem."

client: "I want COF. Are you willing to provide that?"

provider: "Yes, but I don't want it anywhere near my eyes, or a simple 'No'. BTW, I'm a squirter, are you OK with that?"

Getting this stuff up front and both parties coming to an understanding/agreement would solve the problem, imo. Why are we so afraid to talk frankly about sexual expectations? This is pay for play. Get it on the table so everyone walks away satisfied.

Like when you're in the heat of the moment and its a hot, PSE session.  For example, if the girl is leaned against a headboard and youre dominating her, face fucking, etc.  Thats the right time for it to happen.  But theres a very thin line between being hot and nasty and clicking with a guy on that level, and feeling like you're with a creep who just wants to COF on any random girl.  

So YMMV.  

Contacting a girl you've never seen and asking her if she'll do COF is a good way to get your name on the alert boards lol!

Even if a category were added, it wouldn't matter. "YMMV" takes away the value of the categories anyway. Granted, I'm still new, but I have never had a session with a lady that matched her profile and reviews.

the OP sounds very much like someone who just wants to engage in a specific activity, made hallowed and fascinating to him by excessive pornography viewing. he wants to cum on a girl's face, pretty much any girl, and that's that. and he sorely wishes that, just as he pulls up to the drive-thru microphone and places his order at mcdonald's, he could request the no. 3, pay his money and be guaranteed the greasy delight of his choice.

the reality is that providers are actually human beings, with all the emotional, psychological and physical complexities that entails. there is absolutely no way i would or could tell a man i had never met, or within seconds or minuets of meeting, that he could cum on my face (or kiss me, or place a hand around my throat, or touch my feet, or pour me a glass of water for that matter). now it may turn out that we do just that, because of our compatibility, chemistry, and the passion and heat of the moment are just right. but it is certainly not predictable, and absolutely cannot be ordered like an item in a catalog.

It is true that YMMV can come into play at any time but, I've never had a session with a lady that DIDN'T match the profile and reviews.

Yes, most but not all.  Hell, Ive even seen a girl in Vegas (drop dead gorgeous BTW) who is top rated and does CBJ.  So you know theres no CIM, COF, CO anything.

Yet she can command top rates.  That bitch.  LOL!

Though, I saw the thrill my bro got doing it on his girl's face a few weeks ago and thought it was cool as fuck for them...

I don't know. Some girls wanna get painted, some guys wanna do the painting.

But I'll admit, there's times when I'm fucking a lady and when I'm getting ready to splash ask her where she wants it. She says in her mouth, so I'll pull out and hope I make it, lol!

I just threw up in my mouth.

I'm too busy blowing chunks. lol

Since now you're the bitch of both of 'em!

Obviously you haven't read the review.

What's wrong with this picture?  If you're never getting what reviews lead you to expect, you need to review how you're presenting yourself.  Of course it's possible to have a YMMV situation now and again, but all the time?  C'mon.

I have had more then a few that exceeded their reviews and profile list. But never one that offered less. I guess I am lucky.


For fun Melany A from MetArt.com

Or advertising that she was a (fill in the blank) for some poppular (fill in the blank).
I don't see how a girl offering Cbj can last too long unless she is transcending her popularity from a previous life before reincarnating as a provider after she walked the eight fold path.


Good for guys that many do offer bbbj..., but sucks for girls I guess.
In terms of health, sucks for both but not many men are complaining lol

Strange as it must sound..

Even some of us ladies in this industry has boundries..or at least reserve some things for home..

This subject being one of them

It is unfortnate for you that
One of my lying reviews says I provide such service...

Keep searching and good luck

I should clarify. By "I'm new" I mean I've only seen two providers. Both were disappointing (one very, one only a little). Right now I'm leaning towards either my expectations are too high, or I'm too unattractive for the more intimate acts -- kissing, cuddling, GFE, etc.

I can't think of a better handle if and when I ever change mine.

Mom and dad are freaks! And me, well....

Maybe we can make a TV show out of it.

'Here's a story. 'Bout a man named fisher...'

I understand each person has their limits and their dos and donts.

If they say they will do it then they should do it. Thats my thought atleast.

Personally I think Cof or Cimfs think thats right lol. Is hot.

I also watch porn :p Saw a new thing actually on porn the other day...the head tap...what is this? lmao!!!

But then again I also thought the hair pulling comment was hot. But again that must just be me.

Great comments on the thread great laugh this morning.