I recently booked with a girl I've seen at least ten times. She raised her rate months ago, initially posting on her website that clients who've seen her at least once could continue to pay the old rate until some time this fall (I don't remember if she specified a cutoff date.) That message has since been removed, I now notice.  

Like I said, I should have asked beforehand. But I've asked her questions about rates and special deals in person before. Also, it wasn't that important to me. I was willing to pay the full price.

...obviously you are pleased. Why even think about not paying her new rate.  How much more could it possibly be.  Not to mention you come off looking like a cheapskate in a conversation like that. You think she is going to look on you favorably after that bullshit. I don't think so.

Why think about not paying her new rate? Because that's $50 more in my pocket.  

But via email. I've had guys ask in person though. I would still see them, it's just awkward.  

She did not think enough of you to give you her old rate. New guys are paying her new rate. It's that simple.

She put it on her web page. He saw her 10 times. There should have been no need to mention it in E Mail. If you don't want to grandfather old clients or just on a case by case basis don't put it on a web page.

and guys like you are most likely what turns "normal" women into BSC MHB's

"To me it's kind of like they're 'say it to my face bitch'"

"something you didn't have enough balls to ask about BEFORE it happened?"

I did pay her.

I understand that. But she can put on her website that the deal is off, instead of simply removing mention of the deal. Or she can tell me in person it's off, instead of pretending like her rate is her rate, what am I even talking about?

By the way, would you go through all the B.S. armchair psychologizing if I were talking about Wal-Mart not honoring an advertisement? Because that's what this is about, basically.  

if normal women don't want to turn into money-hungry bitches, they can keep passive-aggressive whiners at bay by sticking to their advertised rates.

discussed rates with a provider is in the abstract, but not in relation to my own business with her.  Sometimes, provides will get my opinion on running a special to get new clients, and how would I suggest structuring that.  I would never ever challenge a provider with any communication asking for a better rate, a grandfathered rate, or a discount.  I look at the rate.  If its in the range I am comfortable paying for a provider of her looks and service, I will shut up and pay.  If not, I don't book.  Its not complicated for me.  I've had many rates go up on regulars.  I either go and pay the new rate, or I don't book at all.  They'll get the message, and if they want to propose something, they will.  Most times, they don't.  The rate is the rate, and good for her if she can get others to pay it.  There are more providers than I can possibly see in my own lifetime anyway, even at 3 or 4 a week.  The loss of one is not going to impact me.  

At least you're not bitter.

She was probably worried about losing some business when she raised her rate, which is why she posted the notice about grandfathering in the old rate. Then she discovered that she wasn't losing any business at the new rate, and saw no need to continue to grandfather the old rate. She might be still grandfathering a few select favorites of hers. She didn't offer to grandfather you may be a regular but you aren't a favorite. The definition of a regular can vary from provider to provider, but if you've seen her ten times in the last year or two, I think most would consider you at least a semi-regular.

The only time that I have ever asked for a discount was when my former ATF did an NCNS. Both times, she refused the discount specifically because I asked for it. She lost my business.

...Tell her that the $50. she greedily got from you will cost her the 10 more appointments she would have gotten from you.  Let's see if she can figure out the hooker math in that equation.

yes you may have d=gotten a discount in the past, but 80% of us prefer you pay the large rate, as soon as you establish yourself as a cheap guy who won't bother paying the bigger rate, we mark you down as someone to keep until we garner enough regulars at the new rate, then you'll notice we rarely have time for you or aren't as engaged during session etc. that's just the truth. This business makes everyone a little moneysexual, some more than others. This means that you being cheap over just 50$ is a major turn off, like enough to make a girl sahara dessert dry.  

1) You saw her 10+ times over what time period? A year? 10 years?

So at some point in the past, she announced a rate hike and a grace period.

Without getting into who's right or wrong BS.

I have a few regulars. I know that their rates fluctuate from time to time or they may set a new high price point.

Don't give a shiatzu about the "cheapskate" BS propagated by the pussy-whipped lap dogs. Remember the saying "cash is king"? yep you have the cash so you are the king. No need to kowtow and act like a puppy for a pussy, any pussy. If you ask for a grandfathered rate because of her misleading ad there's nothing "cheapskate" about it. OTH you're just showing that you're a real man with real ball and the intelligence to manage your money for maximum return.  

..50 bucks. Sheesh!  

For someone like me, who does this by setting aside $20 per week, an additional,$50 is a big deal. That means an additional 3 weeks before I can get laid, unless I can pick up a civie chick.

then you'll have to choose a cheaper lady, its pretty simple.

Which is ok if that's how she wants it.

Passive-aggression is a natural resource in Minnesota. We even export it to other states.

It's getting to the point that you just can't trust sex criminals anymore.

I was once grandfathered in "forever" only to be told about 9 months later that "forever" is a long time.  Bottom line is if the lady doesn't want to keep her word you are SOL and there ain't thing one you can do about it except pay up if you still want to see her.  I just think of it as "Provider Propaganda".  bigdell

Oh man, I find myself agreeing and applauding GaG.  Stop your whining AND posting about this non-issue, SHE INTENTIONALLY TOOK THE DEFERRMENT of her site, it did not exist anymore and you were wrong to make that assumption and being an idiot for asking her, even worse crying about it here.

Never fucking "loan" a girl money. P4p only. That's like in the 10 commandments of hobbying.

an extra $50 I his pocket if he can avoid paying the new rate, so evidently, to him, it IS a big deal.  

Oh ok. I usually reach out individually. I don't have a long long list of clients though, so I don't really have to go through hundreds of people to notify them.  

In that case, yeah it's probably best to just Move on  to a new provider. Sure, we get attached, and we really like the people that we are seeing, but at the same time, we have to understand that things change and we have to always be ready to let go. That is just the reality here. Sure, there are friendships that last for years and years, but one of the biggest things I've learned here is, how to let go. Because you have to be able to do that in order to be able to do this.  

The way I read the OP, you were watching her site. You contacted her after seeing that it wasn't on the site anymore. So you had the question before you even contacted her.  

Did you know that some of us make decisions because we have souls? Like. We make decisions that make us happy? Or that maybe someone (or more than one) are taking up his space, and the energy needed is less, so she can do more for her business?

"I found a mistake, and she didn't get it right, I feel there needs to be justice! I will find it!"  

Better to just stick to the rates. I find after they've sweat a little bit, client incentives are nice, or VIP rate structures, but I like to do that after I've attracted the kinds of clients I like.

said: 'I don't expect anything from girls I've seen often.'"

What level bigness does it require for me to hitch about something? The internet is full of picayune complaining.

It's a good rule of thumb to assume that when a person insists something repeatedly the opposite is actually true. But in this case I'm telling the truth. I was willing to pay full price, and did. Her full price is within the norm for her services in my region.  

1). 1 year. I've only been in the hobby for a year, and I first saw her either last July or August.  

Sounds like you and Little Papa make a nice couple?

Let's look at your detective work.  

There's a heavy anti-bitching mood on this thread. Just know I don't take this issue very seriously. I wanted to complain a little. Doesn't mean I'm a difficult person. I'd be willing to bet the provider at issue doesn't think I'm difficult, and had little to no idea I was disgruntled. (It's possible she guessed, but it didn't affect our session at all, which was pretty much like the rest of them.)

I do know what you mean, and there's maybe a wee bit of that. In the sense that I'm sure other people got the deal, and she could've extended it to me on the basis that I overqualified for it--really, all it took was seeing her once--and we have what I think is a good business relationship.  

I'm not walking around the neighborhood, either. I'm just complaining on an internet discussion forum. Which, incidentally, you are, too.

...was in his post.  If he was a lot of work, why did she agree to see him for the ELEVENTH time?

...you have to consider it a gift and don't expect to get it back.  Years ago, a civvie GF broke up with me because I wasn't getting serious enough for her.  I had loaned her $3,000 and I wrote it off but to my surprise, she paid me back in three installments.  

Seeing her 10 times meant nothing to her.  Maybe it did to you but not her.  She granfathdred so as not to lose business, but once you paid the higher rate, even as a tip, you were at tbe higher rate.  She is IN business but is probably not businesslike.  She most likely simply figured you were hooked and would  continue seeing her no matter the rate.  When you brought it up she thinks, is there anything special about this guy? Nope.  Just another dick in the crowd.  Pay me the new rate or GTFO.  

but Home Depot does.

I have been grandfathered several times by some of the best..i never ask..it is strictly up to the provider who she wants to grandfather and who she does not..when i am informed i am grandfathered..i take it as a compliment..

Thx for explaining.

Seems pretty clear you've got some level of emotional investment here that you might want to sort out. That's not "bad", it's understandable. I agree with Courtney, you should probably take a break from this lady for a short time. If she's seen this, you just may be on a very long break anyway.

I hear what you're saying for sure. And I personally do this and understand the concept. I agree getting a guy hooked and then bumping him out over 50 bucks is not cool. At least for me.  

Ok you're not a stalker lol. You feel ripped off. And under appreciated.  

Probably not any intent other than lack of seamless communication. And memory.  

Why don't you and Little Papa get a room?

She had a grandfathering note on her website. When she thought she had allowed enough time for those who wanted to be grandfathered in to see, she removed it. PERIOD. And GaG's description of how you are acting on this thread is dead on.

no longer being available to you as not important but yet you felt the need to make a post about it?
You should have asked before the appt since you had seen her so many times previously.
But your words you paid her new rate because the grandfathering was not important..so again why here posting about it?
Seems to be important to you.If you noticed the mention of grandfathering rates were removed from her site that was your answer right there.I just don't see the big deal...smh

You said "I brought enough cash with me to cover the full price" meaning you at the least thought that her rate for "grandfathered" clients had switched.  You "hoped" that maybe she had some type of affection or loyalty for you as you have for her being the amount of times you've seen her, it hadn't.  There is the separation.  First you have to ask yourself, why would someone change their rates for such a loyal customer?  In a nutshell, hookers don't change their rates unless there is a market or demand for them to change their rates.  Contrary to popular belief, or your belief, the "chemistry" that you may have thought was there was purely an act.  A well played act to get customers to keep coming back.  I'm sure you know this so it should come as no surprise to you that the grace period wasn't extended for you.  

From your review of Chanelle Cheri last year: "Her mix of youth and skill is a steal at the price."

IDK too many here who would say you were not a regular, and a damn good one, if you were averaging approx. one session per month over a full year.  

You expect common sense, how long have you been here anyhow? lol

What is your point?

If I say I don't care much about the money, it doesn't mean I don't care about anything. Or if I say I don't take it that seriously, doesn't mean I don't care at all. How much energy does it take to make a fuss on an internet board? Hardly any.

Agreed 100%. Either P4p, or gift the girl money. Do not loan expecting pay back or future appointments.

I have no idea why darmody visits me as often as he does, considering he appears to have an absolutely terrible time no matter what I say or do. His reviews are full of backhanded insults and passive-aggression. This is a person who asked me multiple times to remove my unobtrusive nose ring, which he "isn't fond of," though there are literally hundreds of other escorts in this city without body jewelry. Hundreds! Thousands maybe! He couldn't hold a conversation if I put a handle on it and placed it in his fist. In the past he's emailed me detailed post-mortems of our appointments, and their various shortcomings which could have easily been corrected in the moment had he bothered to speak up. He is the ONLY client I've seen 10+ times and still have almost no idea what he enjoys.

but feel I have to now. At least I know better than to see you again. I didn't realize how many posters were right when they said you don't value my business.  

Or is he "dumber" lol

He wouldn't be grandfathered by me either, he'd be the reason I raised my rates. Yowzahs

And tipped me $100. (Thank you)

Darmody, read up on assertive communication. Your life will improve when you express your wants and need in a positive, respectful and proactive manner.

but yes he still has a chance.  They seem like a perfect couple and should probably get a room.  Make up sex can be great.  

what a trainwreck.  This is why I will always post anything that could be remotely questionable under my alias.  I actually looked at her profile and read his review.  According to her profile, she gets a 7.6 on looks.  And in his review darmody stated that she has "saggy breasts" and "a belly" along with a few other deficiencies.  It is also worth noting that in the review he also said that he was "not good at small talk."  Yet he did state something to the effect of her pictures looked great?  Huh?  You guys must be hurting in MN.  Where I live a 7.6 in looks with "saggy breasts" and "a belly" is a $99 backpage special and not a $300-$350/hr lady.  She must be damn good at what she does.  Where is that dumbass who is always whining about hooker rates getting out of control when you need him?  For $300-$350 I would expect 8.5/8.5.  This could be the best thing that happened to you in a while --- move on --- as long as this thread doesn't result in you getting on too many DNS lists.    

Re: Thanks, but you're ruining my reputation as a cheapskate!

hahaha my apologies. lmao

and I had the most passionate sex imaginable. She contacted me out of the blue and asked if she could come over. Being single and a gentleman, I accepted her invitation lol.

I look at it as if the girl is 400 hr has 5 regulars once a week pulls in 8000. If she she rises her rates 50 bucks  pulls in 9000. If she loses I person it goes down to 7200. It is a business decision that can help or lose you money very quickly.

To me it seems more like an issue of integrity on her part. It seems like he knew he was eventually going to be paying a higher rate, which want an issue, but more that she had advertised that and not honored it. To me that seems like a big integrity issue because it a poor business practice. It leave clients wondering, for good reason, if what you say is actually true. Of course it all could have been settled in an email, which he should have done. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On my site it says grandfathered in so when the change happened I do not expect my old clients to pay the new donation. My future clients are subjected to pay the new donations. What she did does not sound to fair but each provider is different on how they handle things. I would have emailed her asking instead. But that is just me. Sorry.

Darmody,

Back into the rabbit hole from whence he appeared.

... And yeah, we've all been there.