discussed rates with a provider is in the abstract, but not in relation to my own business with her. Sometimes, provides will get my opinion on running a special to get new clients, and how would I suggest structuring that. I would never ever challenge a provider with any communication asking for a better rate, a grandfathered rate, or a discount. I look at the rate. If its in the range I am comfortable paying for a provider of her looks and service, I will shut up and pay. If not, I don't book. Its not complicated for me. I've had many rates go up on regulars. I either go and pay the new rate, or I don't book at all. They'll get the message, and if they want to propose something, they will. Most times, they don't. The rate is the rate, and good for her if she can get others to pay it. There are more providers than I can possibly see in my own lifetime anyway, even at 3 or 4 a week. The loss of one is not going to impact me.
I recently booked with a girl I've seen at least ten times. She raised her rate months ago, initially posting on her website that clients who've seen her at least once could continue to pay the old rate until some time this fall (I don't remember if she specified a cutoff date.) That message has since been removed, I now notice.
Anyway, I assumed I'd be able to take advantage of the grandfathered rate. Didn't broach the subject over email, though I should have. I brought enough cash with me to cover the full price, then asked her rate face-to-face if I should pay the old rate. She was all, "Oh, my rate is X now," not even mentioning the grace period for returning clients. I paid the full rate without pushing the issue, because it's not that important.
My questions: do you think it's dishonest of her to advertise a grace period for returning clients like that, then take it away without warning? Shouldn't she at least post a message that she's no longer willing to grandfather people? (As a rule, that is; I'm perfectly aware she could be grandfathering people other than me.)
I wouldn't expect her to post about grandfathering one way or another if she simply raised her rate without comment. But I expect a little consideration for making plans based on what she volunteered to put on her website.
Like I said, I should have asked beforehand. But I've asked her questions about rates and special deals in person before. Also, it wasn't that important to me. I was willing to pay the full price.
Oh ok. I usually reach out individually. I don't have a long long list of clients though, so I don't really have to go through hundreds of people to notify them.
I'm sure for some, it's a mightier task. I do worry on my side not to treat people like they're "cheap" or seem like I automatically assume the guy can't afford the new rate.
So it can be a catch 22. From my experience, the whole putting it on the site and then taking it down thing… i've had that where people that were contacting me from forever ago asking me what was the previous rate?
But they hadn't seen me in years. It took up a lot of time and it sucks to say "oh no, not you" because that just feels shitty.
It's easier for some to just raise rates and move along without having to put out unnecessary fires.
If the new rate is working well for them, it's really hard to accommodate people at the prior rate, especially if the system & accommodations don't afford the old rate.
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To me it seems more like an issue of integrity on her part. It seems like he knew he was eventually going to be paying a higher rate, which want an issue, but more that she had advertised that and not honored it. To me that seems like a big integrity issue because it a poor business practice. It leave clients wondering, for good reason, if what you say is actually true. Of course it all could have been settled in an email, which he should have done. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
...obviously you are pleased. Why even think about not paying her new rate. How much more could it possibly be. Not to mention you come off looking like a cheapskate in a conversation like that. You think she is going to look on you favorably after that bullshit. I don't think so.
Why think about not paying her new rate? Because that's $50 more in my pocket.
I come off looking like a cheapskate? Apparently she wanted to attract cheapskates. Otherwise, why advertise the temporary discount?
I've discussed grandfathering with other providers before, and until now always got a discount. Never worried about looking like a cheapskate.
yes you may have d=gotten a discount in the past, but 80% of us prefer you pay the large rate, as soon as you establish yourself as a cheap guy who won't bother paying the bigger rate, we mark you down as someone to keep until we garner enough regulars at the new rate, then you'll notice we rarely have time for you or aren't as engaged during session etc. that's just the truth. This business makes everyone a little moneysexual, some more than others. This means that you being cheap over just 50$ is a major turn off, like enough to make a girl sahara dessert dry.
If you've seen her so many times, but don't appreciate her company enough to pay her current rates, you're not going to special treatment.
When i raised my rates, I did grandfather guys, but i only grandfathered those that i was interested in or who were steady enough, or already tipped my rate. but after a few months, if you were still paying my old rate and i didn't feel any connection with you i stopped scheduling with you. generosity goes a long way to making a lady happy.
For someone like me, who does this by setting aside $20 per week, an additional,$50 is a big deal. That means an additional 3 weeks before I can get laid, unless I can pick up a civie chick.
then you'll have to choose a cheaper lady, its pretty simple.
In that case, yeah it's probably best to just Move on to a new provider. Sure, we get attached, and we really like the people that we are seeing, but at the same time, we have to understand that things change and we have to always be ready to let go. That is just the reality here. Sure, there are friendships that last for years and years, but one of the biggest things I've learned here is, how to let go. Because you have to be able to do that in order to be able to do this.
That's why I tell every client to please cheat on me if they say "you're the only one"
Have a backup plan.
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..50 bucks. Sheesh!
But via email. I've had guys ask in person though. I would still see them, it's just awkward.
To me it's kind of like they're "say it to my face bitch". Lol!
They're usually grandfathered if I really like them. II had one just go ok. Here you go. Counted out the grandfathered rate... I think he got off on counting hundreds in front of women, and he was sweet)
Another when I said the grandfathered rate (not the new rate) gave me a smirk, rolled his eyes, and chuckled, counted it on the table, saying "that's how you feel about yourself?"
That guy #2 is no longer grandfathered, and is no longer a client.
In person is the worst, because if you think about it, you're alone with the guy, and you don't know what answer he's looking for. And he's alone with her and he doesn't know if she's going to get weird about it.
If you've seen someone 10 times you can kind of gauge that but still. What if there's a disagreement? That can be pretty stressful when you're standing there getting ready to get down to the nitty you know?
At least with email you can go ah, never mind. Idk. There are some that I have a grandfathered, told them via email privately, and they refused the grandfather and never talked about the money. They just put it in the envelope and enjoyed the date. Never talking about money. Others it seems like they like to talk about it and whip it out and flash it.
I honestly don't mind when a client gets turned on by handing money to a woman, LOL. But sometimes It just can't get pretty awkward when you don't know the amount before you walk through the door
She put it on her web page. He saw her 10 times. There should have been no need to mention it in E Mail. If you don't want to grandfather old clients or just on a case by case basis don't put it on a web page.
"To me it's kind of like they're 'say it to my face bitch'"
I can understand that, I suppose, if I was asking out of the blue. But she's the one who advertised it. Which makes it almost like a posted rate, in my opinion. I was just confirming, really.
If I was asking to be grandfathered in the absence of her grace period announcement, I wouldn't do it in person. I'd definitely do it over email.
The way I read the OP, you were watching her site. You contacted her after seeing that it wasn't on the site anymore. So you had the question before you even contacted her.
So to me, I wonder why they don't just ask me. Is it because they're afraid that it's going to be in writing?
Or is it because they want the upper hand in the negotiation by dropping the bomb on her right before she performs her job? After all, she wants to keep the job, right?
I know everybody wants us to think the best here, but at the same time if the guy knew, then why did he wait until right before I'm supposed to provide a "fantasy"?
See the worst thing and the best thing about me both is that I don't provide a fantasy. So for me, it kind of sucks when I have to be fake when I'm thinking "ew"
Most people from what I've noticed don't want to deal with that and they simply move on to somebody else if they don't want to worry about rates, and her rates are in their budget anymore.
Again I've dealt with in person asking about money twice. Guy #2 was not welcome back.
Seriously I know you want $50 back in your pocket, but if $50 is that important to you, just find another provider in your price range if she isn't more important to your satisfaction than an extra $50. If there's no second thought than keep going back. But st least next time you'll know what's on the site is what's on the site.
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I did pay her.
I look at it as if the girl is 400 hr has 5 regulars once a week pulls in 8000. If she she rises her rates 50 bucks pulls in 9000. If she loses I person it goes down to 7200. It is a business decision that can help or lose you money very quickly.
She did not think enough of you to give you her old rate. New guys are paying her new rate. It's that simple.
I understand that. But she can put on her website that the deal is off, instead of simply removing mention of the deal. Or she can tell me in person it's off, instead of pretending like her rate is her rate, what am I even talking about?
She was probably worried about losing some business when she raised her rate, which is why she posted the notice about grandfathering in the old rate. Then she discovered that she wasn't losing any business at the new rate, and saw no need to continue to grandfather the old rate. She might be still grandfathering a few select favorites of hers. She didn't offer to grandfather you may be a regular but you aren't a favorite. The definition of a regular can vary from provider to provider, but if you've seen her ten times in the last year or two, I think most would consider you at least a semi-regular.
Bottom line, if it bothers you enough, don't give her any more of your business.
and guys like you are most likely what turns "normal" women into BSC MHB's
If she raised her rates "months ago" as you state, and this is the first time seeing her since then, you may technically be qualified for her old rates, but you are hardly a regular and don't really have the right to "expect" anything. You brought the right amount with you, so you must have known what price you were going to be expected to pay. If the money really meant that much to you, you should have asked first rather than whine later. and YES, you are most definitely whining about it now. Don't even try to claim otherwise, no one will buy it.
My question, do you think it's right to whine about something you didn't have enough balls to ask about BEFORE it happened?
"something you didn't have enough balls to ask about BEFORE it happened?"
You don't know what you're talking about. If the price difference meant enough, I would definitely have asked beforehand. Then I could choose not to see her. I went in knowing I'd pay the full rate if she asked, because the difference didn't mean enough to necessitate knowing beforehand.
I should have asked beforehand, and I admit that was a,mistake. But balls have nothing to do with it. Since when does asking in person require less balks than asking over email, anyway?
"You brought the right amount with you, so you must have known what price you were going to be expected to pay."
Wrong. I always bring the difference between discounted rates and regular rates with me, even if I've confirmed the price beforehand. Just in case.
"and don't really have the right to 'expect' anything"
I didn't proclaim any rights, but I do expect her to honor the deals she advertises. I would expect that if we had no relationship whatsoever beyond mere barebones "technical" qualification.
...Tell her that the $50. she greedily got from you will cost her the 10 more appointments she would have gotten from you. Let's see if she can figure out the hooker math in that equation.
Did you know that some of us make decisions because we have souls? Like. We make decisions that make us happy? Or that maybe someone (or more than one) are taking up his space, and the energy needed is less, so she can do more for her business?
This guy was hounding her site, saw the deal, then suddenly jumped back in right after she took the deal down... hmmm.... hmmmm... hmmm... now he's here. Hmmmmm...
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Not saying this guy is an awful guy, but he sounds like a lot of work.
For me, that is the problem, not how much money can I shake out of this guy over time. I'll go find someone else lol.
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Sounds like you and Little Papa make a nice couple?
Let's look at your detective work.
"This guy was hounding her site"
No. I looked at her site. That's what websites are for, I thought.
"saw the deal"
Yes.
"then suddenly jumped back in right after she took the deal down"
No. There was nothing sudden about it. I always planned on seeing her again. And there was communication between us in the meantime, on subjects other than her rate structure. My seeing her when I did had to do with both a special request I was trying to work out with her and what was convenient for my personal life.
Not that you'd know that, but why assume it was all about the rate? Why assume anything, and build this unflattering strawman of me to play with?
"now he's here"
Yes, I decided to vent about it a little now, after the session. What of it? What do these "hmm"'s imply?
...was in his post. If he was a lot of work, why did she agree to see him for the ELEVENTH time?
Maybe he shouldn't have asked for the old rate because it was only $50. more, but he was already there and she simply could have said: "OK, this last time only. Next time you'll have to pay the new rate." (because you're a fucking pain in the ass). She's running a business - you don't risk losing a repeat customer over $50...unless you don't want his business anymore.
It's not just hooker math, it's also hooker business practices.
I hear what you're saying for sure. And I personally do this and understand the concept. I agree getting a guy hooked and then bumping him out over 50 bucks is not cool. At least for me.
It's definitely different than walking in after a sale is over at a grocery store.
But I also I'm thinking about a five month gap, well I'm assuming a five month gap, a lot can change in five months.
However when things do change, if you do have a client who is a big deal, and potentially a lot of income, and has already contributed a lot of income, customer appreciation is a huge thing, and being ethical has its long-term awards. So I hear what you're saying, the only thing I disagree with is that she lost money. (At least after hearing the OP's recent response that he wasn't hounding her site.)
Personally if I were in the situation I would've given him the old rate. (I know this because this has happened to me.) However, I understand not giving him the old rate when he dropped the bomb on her in the appointment instead of via email. I think next time if this happens it's just best to communicate before booking again. Then nobody is stuck in an awkward messy situation, and she has a chance to explain the new rate.
I don't see anything wrong with grandfathering. I just don't like the asking in person.
She's obviously not suffering financially though. So I don't think it's a math problem. I see it as quirks in how it was handled on both sides.
Why don't you and Little Papa get a room?
And tipped me $100. (Thank you)
I had a horrible bowl hair cut, razor burn, and no money to my name when you saw me. And I was heavy, in pain, had terrible allergy issues from the rag weed trees in Vegas, and miserable. (Would they call that prickly?)
Guys like the OP was one of the reasons I was miserable. I saw guys like that all the time, and put up with it. When I started saying no and cutting guys like that off, I started making a lot more money because I had the energy and the joy in my work to maintain regular clients.
So thanks for the tip but wish I hadn't have seen you at that point before I had the $$ and energy to put some work into myself. 😆
Anyway read this girl's clap back at the end of the thread. And remember, our decisions are sometimes because clients are trying to fk around w us. And are bad at communication. Almost purposefully bad. (Passive aggressive.)
I was spot on.
It's a soul issue for me, and a great business move. We don't owe everybody an explanation, especially those who demand it.
At first when I was responding to you I thought you were somebody else, the reason I went back and edited my response was because I was like wait. This is big papasan? If anything, you would be the last person I would think would have the kind of mindset to not see that this guy is out of line. You're a nice guy. You tip. At least you tipped me. That was my first hundred dollar tip. Lol! And you're not nit picky. For sure you didn't run around telling everybody I had a bad season.
So when you look at the way this guy was explaining his situation, I was very surprised to see that you saw it as a loss of income issue.
Though you're on his side financially, you're not anything remotely like this guy.
I really think you should read her response because it is exactly what I was talking about.
And no I can't afford based on current budget to do 400 1 hours. Though I do miss some of y'all lol!
If the market crashes I'll be smart and go back to that tho. Lol.
Xoxo
Passive-aggression is a natural resource in Minnesota. We even export it to other states.
By the way, would you go through all the B.S. armchair psychologizing if I were talking about Wal-Mart not honoring an advertisement? Because that's what this is about, basically.
Admittedly, I broke protocol by not bringing it up beforehand. That's my bad. But it's not even what I'm whining about, because like I said I was willing to pay full price. I just don't like the dishonesty of advertising a discount, then pulling it away with telling anyone.
"I found a mistake, and she didn't get it right, I feel there needs to be justice! I will find it!"
*tossing and turning in bed* "But she changed her site!"
Idk man, this could be turning into OCD control issues. You need to let it go - she may have been "wrong" on paper, but you're upset and it seems like you might not be able to get over it.
It was a non-issue to her, so as someone said below, maybe you missed the "last call" part on her website. Unless, of course, you were closely watching her site multiple times per day looking for small changes... in that case, um...
You're looking too closely at everything, and not seeing the big picture. At this point, I would actually back off from the provider until you feel settled about this and have moved on, otherwise, there will be worse issues in the future, and it will be your fault. Can get scary when someone can't get over things, and it comes out in different ways. Nobody likes to be "watched" that closely by a NSA lover, (or any in my case lol,) and told about it... if you're bitter, it will come out in different ways. I would take a break from her for a long time.
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I'm not walking around the neighborhood, either. I'm just complaining on an internet discussion forum. Which, incidentally, you are, too.
She had a grandfathering note on her website. When she thought she had allowed enough time for those who wanted to be grandfathered in to see, she removed it. PERIOD. And GaG's description of how you are acting on this thread is dead on.
HER CHOICE!
Steph xoxo
if normal women don't want to turn into money-hungry bitches, they can keep passive-aggressive whiners at bay by sticking to their advertised rates.
At least you're not bitter.
Oh man, I find myself agreeing and applauding GaG. Stop your whining AND posting about this non-issue, SHE INTENTIONALLY TOOK THE DEFERRMENT of her site, it did not exist anymore and you were wrong to make that assumption and being an idiot for asking her, even worse crying about it here.
discussed rates with a provider is in the abstract, but not in relation to my own business with her. Sometimes, provides will get my opinion on running a special to get new clients, and how would I suggest structuring that. I would never ever challenge a provider with any communication asking for a better rate, a grandfathered rate, or a discount. I look at the rate. If its in the range I am comfortable paying for a provider of her looks and service, I will shut up and pay. If not, I don't book. Its not complicated for me. I've had many rates go up on regulars. I either go and pay the new rate, or I don't book at all. They'll get the message, and if they want to propose something, they will. Most times, they don't. The rate is the rate, and good for her if she can get others to pay it. There are more providers than I can possibly see in my own lifetime anyway, even at 3 or 4 a week. The loss of one is not going to impact me.
The only time that I have ever asked for a discount was when my former ATF did an NCNS. Both times, she refused the discount specifically because I asked for it. She lost my business.
Better to just stick to the rates. I find after they've sweat a little bit, client incentives are nice, or VIP rate structures, but I like to do that after I've attracted the kinds of clients I like.
1) You saw her 10+ times over what time period? A year? 10 years?
2) How many months ago did she raise her rate?
3) Why did you look at her website before your most recent date? I ask bc if I saw her ten times or more, I don't look at the gals website unless she asks me to help her with wording, new pic election, etc. I would know her pricing by heart and wouldn't even know she had a price increase unless she emailed me to tell me.
1). 1 year. I've only been in the hobby for a year, and I first saw her either last July or August.
2). I want to say her rate went up in April, which would be 4 months, but I'm not sure. Last time I saw her was late March, and I didn't see her again until July. Which was a long gap for me. But for the record, I was waiting for her to get back to me on a special request, which in fact she never did.
3). I occasionally look at her Twitter feed. That alerted me to her price hike, if I recall correctly.
Ok you're not a stalker lol. You feel ripped off. And under appreciated.
Makes sense, and asking the question is good. Personally I think it could have been dealt with better on both ends
I also think a nice head's up from her would have also been nice, in case you didn't look at the site. (In case she's spending more on hotels etc.)
And you already said you could have asked her beforehand. Same for our side. I like to say "please check out the site first to make sure you're ok with the new structure."
Or at least something.
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IDK too many here who would say you were not a regular, and a damn good one, if you were averaging approx. one session per month over a full year.
My guess is you proly sent her other business by referring guys to her as well but even if you didn't, you were a well established client who routinely filled up her pocket book.
I wouldn't have known about the price increase, based on your facts, and I would have brought the old donation, but had I known before the session, I would have asked nicely by email , "Madison, I saw your price hike but is it fair to assume I am GF in for awhile since we spent so much time together this past year?"
That puts the ball squarely in her court. If she balks, you could then reply by saying "Ok I understand. I saw you had a disclaimer at one point saying you would GF your regulars, but I guess that no longer applies. If you should change your policy back to that in the future, let me know as I would love to keep seeing you at the old rate. Thank you and good luck with everything!"
It's her call as to how she handles her GF policy, but it's your call as to whether she is still worth seeing. The amount of the increase is meaningless to me, as some have argued here, bc it isn't about price, it is about respect and appreciation.
I can only tell you I would never see that girl again at her new rates but others like to jump when a gal snaps her fingers and jump as high as they can.
We cover all of this at JDU and you now see why Cspatz didn't make it through his freshman first semester.
So at some point in the past, she announced a rate hike and a grace period.
Then she removed those comments from her website. Unless you're on her website every week, how do you know she didn't post a "Last call" notice? And even if she didn't, you don't even remember the date her offered was to expire.
In any case, you made the date, planned on paying full price, and survived the awkward discussion. If you're still attracted to her and money isn't the issue get over it. If it was me, my biggest issue would be that when asked face-to-face, she didn't offer the lower rate one last time for someone she has seen so many times. A person that gave a shit about you at all would have said "oh, whatever, the old rate is fine this time."
Without getting into who's right or wrong BS.
You keep saying the money doesn't bother you and that you were/are "willing to pay the full price." I think you really believe that. However, there's something in your tone and in the number of times you've said it that makes me think it really does bother you.
Is it possible that her new price point is still within what you generally consider yourself willing to pay for pussy, but that the fact that she asked you to pay it, when you thought you were her friend, is grating on a nerve for you? IOW, yes the dollar amount is something you're willing to pony up, but her asking YOU for it, as though you're not special, feels like a betrayal and that's what's really bothering you? ("Betrayal" is probably overstating it, but I think you know what I mean.) I'm not saying I can read your mind and that's what's going on, I don't know you, I'm just throwing that out there.
It just seems like you're upset over this, and that's okay. Maybe you're more upset than you realize.
Also, this all seems very strange coming from someone who, seven hours ago in a different thread, said:
"I don't expect anything from girls I've seen often."
Just saying. Just one perspective.
Good luck.
said: 'I don't expect anything from girls I've seen often.'"
Yes, I said that. I meant I don't expect anything to follow from the bare fact that I've seen a girl often. I don't expect to be grandfathered in at a lower rate when girls raise their price simply because I'm a repeat customer. That's not the case here.
This is a bit tricky, but in this case, my expectation derives from the fact that I qualified for the special rate she advertised. Which qualification so happened to do with having seen her previously. But like I said, I only had to see her once. All the extra times were superfluous.
I only mentioned the number of times I saw her to establish that I qualified and that we had an ongoing business, wherein I'd be comfortable talking with her. Also because I knew people would ask.
Probably not any intent other than lack of seamless communication. And memory.
People take it off of their sites because I don't want to deal with people who actually shouldn't get the grandfather rates asking. I took it off of my site and then just individually sent an update to clients who still seemed interested.
It still doesn't sound like there's any greedy or bad intent. Sometimes keeping things simple keeps everything smooth in appointments.
It's a good rule of thumb to assume that when a person insists something repeatedly the opposite is actually true. But in this case I'm telling the truth. I was willing to pay full price, and did. Her full price is within the norm for her services in my region.
I'd rather pay the old rate. But if paying the new rate really made me that upset, I'd have brought it up before the session. It's my perception of dishonesty that irks me.
I do know what you mean, and there's maybe a wee bit of that. In the sense that I'm sure other people got the deal, and she could've extended it to me on the basis that I overqualified for it--really, all it took was seeing her once--and we have what I think is a good business relationship.
But it's really more the dishonesty.
Seems pretty clear you've got some level of emotional investment here that you might want to sort out. That's not "bad", it's understandable. I agree with Courtney, you should probably take a break from this lady for a short time. If she's seen this, you just may be on a very long break anyway.
Good luck.
I have a few regulars. I know that their rates fluctuate from time to time or they may set a new high price point.
I discreetly ask them once a year about our personal arrangement and whether our agreed price is still good or not. Not in those exact terms. Respect that they have a business to run and income to make. More often than not they grandfther me in each year. If it goes up it's up to me of I want to see them at that rate or not. No hard feelings on either side.
Don't give a shiatzu about the "cheapskate" BS propagated by the pussy-whipped lap dogs. Remember the saying "cash is king"? yep you have the cash so you are the king. No need to kowtow and act like a puppy for a pussy, any pussy. If you ask for a grandfathered rate because of her misleading ad there's nothing "cheapskate" about it. OTH you're just showing that you're a real man with real ball and the intelligence to manage your money for maximum return.
As for your question IMO I don't think it's dishonest of her to suddenly withdraw her offer but it's certainly bad form and crummy behavior. Think of it like the kind of sale and offers you see everyday in the commercial world. There's always a fine print part that says something like "offer limited", "can be withdraw without notice", "price subject to changes", etc... etc...
Basically sleazy marketing is what it boils down to.
It's getting to the point that you just can't trust sex criminals anymore.
an extra $50 I his pocket if he can avoid paying the new rate, so evidently, to him, it IS a big deal.
What level bigness does it require for me to hitch about something? The internet is full of picayune complaining.
Which is ok if that's how she wants it.
IMO it's bad business. Seeing a provider 10 times is a pretty big deal to me...... For some maybe not.
Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed.
A similar thing happened to me.
I had seen her 2 times prior. And had a great time.
I had loaned her $250 before our 3rd date.
While scheduling the date she tried to argue the amount that I had loaned her, untill I sent her
THE RECEIPT......smh (mood killer)
Apparently, she had trouble subtracting the loan form the current rate which was on her website.
She was $100 off.
700-250=450..... She said 550.
I double checked her website and it had a great multi hour special. When I asked about that, she replied, "that is an old special and I'm not doing it now"
By now the mood was KILLED.
Not wanting to lose my $250 loan and argue and piss her off, I agreed to pay, based on her bad math.
(She just didn't get it)
I wanted to keep the peace and still get a piece, which I did. Our 3rd date was, and will be our last.
So basically she lost thousands and gained $100.
Moral of the story for her:
Learn how to math.....lol
Appreciate a loan when you are in need.
Remember the amount that you borrow.
Keep YOUR website current to avoid confusion.
And me:
NO LOANS TO HOOKERS..... It's bad business.
Never fucking "loan" a girl money. P4p only. That's like in the 10 commandments of hobbying.
...you have to consider it a gift and don't expect to get it back. Years ago, a civvie GF broke up with me because I wasn't getting serious enough for her. I had loaned her $3,000 and I wrote it off but to my surprise, she paid me back in three installments.
Agreed 100%. Either P4p, or gift the girl money. Do not loan expecting pay back or future appointments.
I was once grandfathered in "forever" only to be told about 9 months later that "forever" is a long time. Bottom line is if the lady doesn't want to keep her word you are SOL and there ain't thing one you can do about it except pay up if you still want to see her. I just think of it as "Provider Propaganda". bigdell
There's a heavy anti-bitching mood on this thread. Just know I don't take this issue very seriously. I wanted to complain a little. Doesn't mean I'm a difficult person. I'd be willing to bet the provider at issue doesn't think I'm difficult, and had little to no idea I was disgruntled. (It's possible she guessed, but it didn't affect our session at all, which was pretty much like the rest of them.)
Seeing her 10 times meant nothing to her. Maybe it did to you but not her. She granfathdred so as not to lose business, but once you paid the higher rate, even as a tip, you were at tbe higher rate. She is IN business but is probably not businesslike. She most likely simply figured you were hooked and would continue seeing her no matter the rate. When you brought it up she thinks, is there anything special about this guy? Nope. Just another dick in the crowd. Pay me the new rate or GTFO.
She is not your GF, she is your hooker. Get over it.
I have been grandfathered several times by some of the best..i never ask..it is strictly up to the provider who she wants to grandfather and who she does not..when i am informed i am grandfathered..i take it as a compliment..
no longer being available to you as not important but yet you felt the need to make a post about it?
You should have asked before the appt since you had seen her so many times previously.
But your words you paid her new rate because the grandfathering was not important..so again why here posting about it?
Seems to be important to you.If you noticed the mention of grandfathering rates were removed from her site that was your answer right there.I just don't see the big deal...smh
You said "I brought enough cash with me to cover the full price" meaning you at the least thought that her rate for "grandfathered" clients had switched. You "hoped" that maybe she had some type of affection or loyalty for you as you have for her being the amount of times you've seen her, it hadn't. There is the separation. First you have to ask yourself, why would someone change their rates for such a loyal customer? In a nutshell, hookers don't change their rates unless there is a market or demand for them to change their rates. Contrary to popular belief, or your belief, the "chemistry" that you may have thought was there was purely an act. A well played act to get customers to keep coming back. I'm sure you know this so it should come as no surprise to you that the grace period wasn't extended for you.
"Grandfathering" in a sense is really just another luring tool. I have had a Top 15 provider offer to grandfather me through email, I wasn't in town during that time but I reached back out to her and asked if it was still good, she balked. Months later she was back and again I get an email from her assistant offering me the grandfathered rate, mind boggling.
Is it dishonest? No. After all you did say that she advertised a grace period, so it was going to end some day. As far as how long that grace period was supposed to last, I'm not sure. Is she local to you? Was she a touring girl? IMO she should have blatantly stated that the grandfather rule was not in effect anymore. But then again that would eliminate customers like yourself from bringing the extra donation but hoping not to pay it, but still going through with the session.
I recently booked with a girl I've seen at least ten times. She raised her rate months ago, initially posting on her website that clients who've seen her at least once could continue to pay the old rate until some time this fall (I don't remember if she specified a cutoff date.) That message has since been removed, I now notice.
Anyway, I assumed I'd be able to take advantage of the grandfathered rate. Didn't broach the subject over email, though I should have. I brought enough cash with me to cover the full price, then asked her rate face-to-face if I should pay the old rate. She was all, "Oh, my rate is X now," not even mentioning the grace period for returning clients. I paid the full rate without pushing the issue, because it's not that important.
My questions: do you think it's dishonest of her to advertise a grace period for returning clients like that, then take it away without warning? Shouldn't she at least post a message that she's no longer willing to grandfather people? (As a rule, that is; I'm perfectly aware she could be grandfathering people other than me.)
I wouldn't expect her to post about grandfathering one way or another if she simply raised her rate without comment. But I expect a little consideration for making plans based on what she volunteered to put on her website.
From your review of Chanelle Cheri last year: "Her mix of youth and skill is a steal at the price."
What is your point?
I have no idea why darmody visits me as often as he does, considering he appears to have an absolutely terrible time no matter what I say or do. His reviews are full of backhanded insults and passive-aggression. This is a person who asked me multiple times to remove my unobtrusive nose ring, which he "isn't fond of," though there are literally hundreds of other escorts in this city without body jewelry. Hundreds! Thousands maybe! He couldn't hold a conversation if I put a handle on it and placed it in his fist. In the past he's emailed me detailed post-mortems of our appointments, and their various shortcomings which could have easily been corrected in the moment had he bothered to speak up. He is the ONLY client I've seen 10+ times and still have almost no idea what he enjoys.
My website? I had the grandfathering announcement up on it for maybe 2 weeks. I removed it after changing my mind, which I am actually allowed to do as a human being and as a businesswoman. That doesn't make me dishonest. I assumed since it'd been there so briefly, nobody -- let alone darmody, who I had written off months ago as bored of my services -- would have seen the announcement anyway.
Had he bothered to mention at ANY point that he'd seen the note on my site, I would have extended him the discount. I've certainly extended it to others without being asked. In fact, I still have a great client from 2008 that I see regularly for 2 hours at my current hourly rate, because -- get this -- we actually have a connection, enjoy each other's company, and SPEAK to each other, instead of him starfishing miserably while I suck his dick in silence.
Instead, the interaction went something like this:
"Can you remind me of your rate?"
"[rate]"
"[7 seconds of wordless hemming and hawing] oh... okay."
Crazy that I didn't read his mind, right?
I truly don't know how darmody has made it to adulthood with this sad-ass level of communication skills, but I certainly hope he burdens someone else with them from now on. I'm so done.
but feel I have to now. At least I know better than to see you again. I didn't realize how many posters were right when they said you don't value my business.
Did it ever occur to you that I kept booking because I actually enjoyed myself, and there wasn't a problem communicating what I wanted because I got it.
Speaking of dishonesty, there's a lot of it in that post. I count three outright lies, including our exchange about rates. Didn't happen like that.
Nevermind. I don't know why you had to make this personal.
Darmody,
Today is the first day of the rest of your life. This is a blessing in disguise. For $300 to $350 per hour you should be able to find a lady that will knock your socks off. Every time. Plenty of fish in the sea.
Back into the rabbit hole from whence he appeared.
Or is he "dumber" lol
After starting a trainwreck thread that gets him bitchslapped by almost every poster only to be finally bitch slapped by the actual provider he was whining about, I'd have to nominate him for "dumbest"
but yes he still has a chance. They seem like a perfect couple and should probably get a room. Make up sex can be great.
He wouldn't be grandfathered by me either, he'd be the reason I raised my rates. Yowzahs
... And yeah, we've all been there.
My one questionably bad review was written by a guy who literally fell asleep during his session (for the second time, no less) and then got irritated that I had left early. Of course, he said nothing to me at the time, but felt like it was more appropriate to broadcast it in a review, which he then claimed TER wouldn't let him edit.
This guy sounds like a piece of work... Thankfully, one you don't have to do anymore!
~Mme X~
Darmody, read up on assertive communication. Your life will improve when you express your wants and need in a positive, respectful and proactive manner.
what a trainwreck. This is why I will always post anything that could be remotely questionable under my alias. I actually looked at her profile and read his review. According to her profile, she gets a 7.6 on looks. And in his review darmody stated that she has "saggy breasts" and "a belly" along with a few other deficiencies. It is also worth noting that in the review he also said that he was "not good at small talk." Yet he did state something to the effect of her pictures looked great? Huh? You guys must be hurting in MN. Where I live a 7.6 in looks with "saggy breasts" and "a belly" is a $99 backpage special and not a $300-$350/hr lady. She must be damn good at what she does. Where is that dumbass who is always whining about hooker rates getting out of control when you need him? For $300-$350 I would expect 8.5/8.5. This could be the best thing that happened to you in a while --- move on --- as long as this thread doesn't result in you getting on too many DNS lists.
and I had the most passionate sex imaginable. She contacted me out of the blue and asked if she could come over. Being single and a gentleman, I accepted her invitation lol.
We fucked as often as I could afford at the time, about twice a month. She proposed we p4p as often as possible at $100. After some serious deliberation, I accepted and we fucked like there was no tomorrow, and did again the next night, the next night and probably the night too.
7 years later and after on of our usual very passionate fucks, she demurely said "when I offered the rate I did, I didn't mean forever". I asked her what she thought was fair and she said $300. Without hesitation, I graciously gave her 3 Benjamin's for that session. She said she meant going forward, but I was just so grateful for her selfish generosity
I guess my point is "do what's right for you" but be grateful for the moments an escort shares with you, because when they're hottt, they can be really, really hottt.
Treating your hooker with respect and fucking her brains out, especially if she likes that sorta thing, is priceless. I can't afford to see her as often as I did, but I still try to fuck her as good as I did before. Aaaah, the good life
On my site it says grandfathered in so when the change happened I do not expect my old clients to pay the new donation. My future clients are subjected to pay the new donations. What she did does not sound to fair but each provider is different on how they handle things. I would have emailed her asking instead. But that is just me. Sorry.