Here's the way I see it (tongue in cheek)

Ladies who offer multiple pops in, let's say one hour, usually have to work pretty hard getting that second pop.  OK, I know there are some 20 -30 year olds who can do the 2 pops in one hour but beyond that age group I think it's rarer.

Now we all know that the ladies can get sore "down there" and /or have cramps in their jaws from all that work.  And time takes its toll!

So, let's look at the economic / effort factors at work here.

Guys who expect two pops and keep the lady working really hard for the elusive 2nd cumming are really getting extra effort applied.  Putting aside for a moment that they should tip - most probably don't.

$300 per hour in this case results in a lot of effort by the lady

Now, consider an engagement with, me!  I can only do one pop in an hour.  The lady has plenty of time to talk, cuddle, get me up, let me down, get me up, etc. Both of us knowing that we'll time the cumming for the end of the hour!  She is able to use FS, BJ, HJ, Russian, tools, weapons, etc, to help!

My point?  Shouldn't I get a "one pop effort" discount?!

Ladies?

Do you get a discount if you ask your attorney one question instead of two or five?

So the thing is...you are paying for the time, not for what we do unless stated otherwise.

Now, there are girls who charge extra for a second pop so in a way you ARE getting a discount for only doing one.

Not intended to be harsh here, but the more rules there are the more complicated it gets and takes the fun out of it. Maybe it is better to find a woman who offer half hours or someone who has a lower fee than the rest and we all will be happy in the end

Many kisses,
Swedish Anna

I know you said "tongue in cheek" in your post but have a feeling the subtlety of your humor may be missed by some of the ladies...

and in my case, I will blame it on that I am bi-lingual and never heard the expression before...lol. Can I blame it on that I blonde as well?

So far as discounts.  No, I think most girls charge what they feel is fair, or the most they feel they can command and if you try to chisel a discount, they assume you are a cheapskate and will shut you out.

The MSOG thing is a relatively new internet expectation based on the old formula of high end call girls / escorts.

It used to be that you'd pick a girl off the street, and when you pop you were done.  You made sure she didn't steal your wallet and you left.   That's how it still is in most parts of the world.    

The other option was to pay a lot more for a high end girl who offers companionship based on time values.  The internet has somewhat blended to two here in the US and caused confusion because a lot of former street girls now charge escort rates but give street service.

If you are paying high end rates for "time and companionship" the girl should be prepared to play the full time.

Personally my one hour rate is lower and is a one shot party, whether it's 5 min or 50 min.  It's UP TO one hour and if we can't achieve success in that time, I will give you a doctors referral...  

Also a lot of gents only have time for a lunch or drive time quickie, so they don't want to spend 200-400 for longer dates.

I also offer longer more relaxed, 1 1/2 hour (or longer) MSOG, GFE, PSE dates where it's whatever my guy wants for as long as he wants.  And for which he will take care of me accordingly.

I think the key is where both parties feel the arrangement is fair and both can enjoy the experience.  Every situation is a little different and there's no cut and dried answer.  IMHO...

Hugs,
TS Jamie

. . . abandon all hope ye of misinformed notions. No way will your "labor saving" idea go over well.

Look for half-hour or French-Russian only specials.

You are paying for our time..
It isnt our problem if you cannot go twice..

You said it.

" Some men have a hard time going a 2nd time "

what you dont realize , is the gent will want a 2nd pop , 15 to 10 minutes before the hour is up...

So.. he better hurry..

f the cardinal rules of the game is:  Do NOT attempt to negotiate the rate.  If you can't afford champagne, drink beer.

"Now, consider an engagement with, me!  I can only do one pop in an hour.  The lady has plenty of time to talk, cuddle, get me up, let me down, get me up, etc. Both of us knowing that we'll time the cumming for the end of the hour!  She is able to use FS, BJ, HJ, Russian, tools, weapons, etc, to help!"

Maybe the lady being very happy to see you come back again, and treating you likewise, is reward in itself.


-- Modified on 11/27/2007 7:24:35 PM

Some of us "one poppers" are so hard to get off that she works twice as hard!!!

Luckily my favorite ladies are good sports!

So you claim that 9 out of ten reviews that state that the lady offered and they experienced 2 pop are lies.

 I'm curious on what basis you make that statement.  On its face its not unreasonable to assume that you are speaking from personal experience. But I don't wish to jump to conclusions.

  So simply asked. How do you KNOW that 9 out of 10 reviews that make this claim are lying?

-J

-- Modified on 11/27/2007 8:40:20 PM

Remember the golden rule of the hobby. You are paying providers for their time.

I don't think it's missed as much as smacked between the eyes with. I think the rush to post is to stop any precedents from being started...

Katie

and I agree there's no way the reviews compare to reality on multiple pops. Surveys on sex have been known to have a certain . . .  fantasy aspect to the answers. The reviews, remember, are FICTION. They may be based strictly on fact . . .

Not the say providers won't oblige guys on multiple pops. I think the point is, she doesn't leave early just because the guy has popped before his time.

and I agree there's no way the reviews compare to reality on multiple pops. Surveys on sex have been known to have a certain . . .  fantasy aspect to the answers. The reviews, remember, are FICTION. They may be based strictly on fact . . .

Not the say providers won't oblige guys on multiple pops. I think the point is, she doesn't leave early just because the guy has popped before his time.

while few of my review contain 2 pops.. the 2 pops that I post are real....  oddly enough, the 2nd is often more enjoyable... to me!  one lady (I swear) has set it as her personal challenge to get 3 outta me... lol!  but I do enjoy her company and if anyone can, she can.

For the most part though, the 2 pops are usually over a multihour session and I really like these ladies....  but hey that is just me.

I would not discount others reviews quite so quickly...

Personally I like when a guy tells me upfront that he only has one cup in him.  That allows me to spread out the "pleasure" for the entire appointment.  I have had many gents tell me this upfront and I always appreciate it.  That leaves more time for kisses, grinding, touching, etc.

XO
Melanie

Agree on a certain level.
I have had some piss poor experiences with providers who advertise as GFE/PSE and Multiple pops. when the action starts it is more like "hurry up and cum so you can go." Even though I paid for an hour I get one pop then I'm out the door.
Now I like taking my time and could hold my shot for  59 minutes but then I'd probably be the bad guy.

So if you want a second pop, ask for it at the outset. if the provider says no, then hold out for as long as you can to get your moneys worth.

But I do feel providers should have have some room for negotiation if a hobbyist is quick on the trigger.
A lot less work for the same money???

Ladies have to work pretty hard just to get one pop out of me anymore, probably harder than getting 2 or 3 out of me when I was 20.

I would recommend that you try negotiating discounts with escorts -- it really makes them horny and sets the stage for a great session. LOL

-- Modified on 11/28/2007 9:53:42 AM

Ok, that is a valid point but so is this....

MOST of us do not charge for "how many pops," but rather our time.  This is why I moved out of the hourly market and charge more now because so many guys want to take advantage of just trying to "wear you out."   I adore spending as much time as possible behind closed doors but I don't like having to rush a date to secure "how many times," rather than just enjoying the experience. I provide msog on every encounter but I also charge more than the average rate for this.

I feel that some men need more than just the physical act and that is why they move into the higher dollar market. Some men need more than just an hour in a hotel room. They can't perform like they did when they were twenty and thirty so the provider has to offer more than just that. A true Courtesan provides stellar sexual skill, with a great personality, and an un-rushed, intimate experience that keeps you wanting more.  I think that prolonging the encounter ALWAYS makes for a longer, stronger, more intense finish!

I think at times it can be misleading if the guys does not state that although HE may have received this service, others may not have the same advantage. YMMV should be used more often that it is. If a lady states that ALL services are offered to ALL clients then she should stick to that statement or take it off the website as it can be confusing for first timers.

I agree that most reviews are bs just from the number of clients that have said they did not receive half of what the reviews stated on certain girls. Again, could be a case of YMMV!

Not to toot my own horn but RARELY does any guy I have serviced last more than 15 minutes from what I foucus on, and so I ran into a problem when I worked for a few months as a total newbie. I was not charging enough and many guys COULD NOT hold off and expected me to wear myself out for a small fee. By small, I mean less than what I warrant now.  I have learned that you can't please everyone and that most of the clients I see on a regular basis are NOT concerned with the bell factor as much as they need true intimacy.

There are all types of different girls in this industry who offer different services and I think rather than expect ALL to conform to the same rules, you should find a girl that concentrates only on the finish rather than the experience.

If you want a girl to pay for the hour to just show up and go to work on you for the entire time, then that is what you need to look for, BUT if you want someone who has more to offer then you can expect her to take offense to such a suggestion.

No, sweetie.  The time spent in the appt is the same as well as the pre and post production.  I don't see this as any different from the guy who only wants a BJ or DATY and feels his donation should be costed as  an A La Carte transaction.  Puleeeeze!

"I would recommend that you try negotiating discounts with escorts -- it really makes them horny and sets the stage for a great session. LOL"

Exactly. Good luck with that one. It's one of my screening criterion. I'm not upselling, so don't even try to downbuy. I'm with thickred on this one - just let us know and we will ride that one pop for all it's worth for whatever time you've contracted. -e

EXACTLY!

If you book for an hour, we (and you) have no idea how many minutes or how much "work" it will entail. It's a matter of the time we have set aside for you and your needs. So if you know you want a one-pop quickie, find a lady who offers/prefers this, book a shorter session and pay a the lower rate. You can't book an hour an expect to be given a discount or special treatment because you are a one-po kind of guy. There are providers (most of the good professional ones) who charge for time, and many have a one hour or 1.5 hour minimum. Those of us with such minimums seek to attract men who are in it for the whole experience- foreplay, conversation, mutual pleasure, etc. It has nothing to do with some pre-conceived formula of dollars per minute engaged in strenuous activity or whatever- it's the time and the sensual experience. If you're looking for a different experience, based on spending less for a quickie or an ala carte type service menu, see a gal who caters to that with 15 or 30 minute specials or go to an AMP. Most high quality providers want to enjoy all aspects of the time together, and to expect to pay a lower donation because you perceive yourself as less work or an "easier" client is ludicrous.

XoXo
Marea

I've had some experiences where it was one pop and done in less than 30 minutes, and I wasn't happy about it. But, it was my own fault for seeing non-reviewed ladies.  I think you have to expect to pay the rate the providers require whether you are there for the whole hour or not.  If you are quick to pop, then I think you should tell the lady ahead of time so she can make the hour last. If you only want a shorter session I just don't think you can ask for a discount.

Hmmm...in a light hearted moment I thought the ladies would "throw back" some funny and similarly "tongue in cheek" (is that foreplay?) comments.

For instance:

Dear Channel Guy:  Perhaps you're equipment should determine how much we charge you, say...$100 per inch?  OK, you owe me $100!    Or "CG: I'll charge you $20 per stroke before cumming...you owe me $50!

The "banter" didn't go like for which I very seriously apologize!

Back to my Comedy Central dialogue writing.

CG

I just finished a first time session with a very great lady.  I never popped but she tried so hard to get me there that I finally had to stop her before she collapsed. I should have (AND DID)paid extra not less

TONGUE IN CHEEK (Or whereever it will make the ladies feel good):

My variation on Channelguy's suggestion is as follows:

I have no trouble paying the standard one hour rate.

And I can pop twice...just not in ONE hour...

So what I'd like from ladies offering multiple pops is one hour of service...just not in the SAME hour.

Drop by my place. Spend 20-30 minutes. Pop! Go shopping. Have a nice day. Drop back about 3 hours later. Spend another 20-30 minutes. Pop!!

THAT would be true paradise. :->

how much free time some people have.  (No tongue in cheek.)