Personally, I really don't understand the reason for a gift or tipping. The women set their own fee based on what they believe their time to be worth balanced against the risk of driving off customers. If they feel as if they should get more for their services, then they would simply charge more. This isn't the case of a typical service industry job, where the pay is far below what the service is worth and the server has no ability to adjust that.
That said, if you want to give a gift for no real reason other than generosity, then I would say that the value if that gift is purely up to you and how generous you're feeling. If you want to give her $100 worth of sweets and wine, then the situation should have no bearing on it. Imagine it being the same as giving your dry cleaner or mailman or even a random stranger a gift...you're not giving it to get something back, you're giving it simply to give. Of course, my husband usually handles the donations when we play, and 4-5 hour playdates with a couple are randomly an off-the-menu item, so....-- Modified on 6/15/2013 9:38:46 AM
There's a young lady who has fantastic reviews here on TER. I'll be seeing her in two weeks.
Several reviewers mentioned that she liked a certain type of wine. I don't know wines, so I did some research and found one that has good reviews. It's about $70 a bottle, so I got it. I figured that level of quality would be good for a casual wine fan, but not insulting to a true connoisseur.
Yesterday I received via UPS a gift of a three-box tower of chocolate boxes. They're excellent Italian chocolates. The three-box set is about $30. The chocolates aren't my taste, though, and I don't know who I'd give them to.
Would it be overkill to give the young lady both the wine and the chocolates on our first encounter? I've booked her for two to three hours.
Personally, I really don't understand the reason for a gift or tipping. The women set their own fee based on what they believe their time to be worth balanced against the risk of driving off customers. If they feel as if they should get more for their services, then they would simply charge more. This isn't the case of a typical service industry job, where the pay is far below what the service is worth and the server has no ability to adjust that.
That said, if you want to give a gift for no real reason other than generosity, then I would say that the value if that gift is purely up to you and how generous you're feeling. If you want to give her $100 worth of sweets and wine, then the situation should have no bearing on it. Imagine it being the same as giving your dry cleaner or mailman or even a random stranger a gift...you're not giving it to get something back, you're giving it simply to give.
Of course, my husband usually handles the donations when we play, and 4-5 hour playdates with a couple are randomly an off-the-menu item, so....
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No, wine and chocolates go hand in hand, and being you did not actually go out and buy the chocolates, it's not overkill. I would assume you will share them.
and you could always tell her, the wine is for the two of you to share, and the chocalates are simply a gift for her.
I am not really much for bringing hookers gifts, but I do bring a bottle of wine to some that I know will appreciate it.
I would think that an envelope stuffed with cash would be enough. You are fucking her, not romancing her. Safe the gift for someone who cares, or that you care about unless you have no one.
The chocolates aren't going to make her fat on the spot, that will be someone else's problem way on down the road. lmao
There is of course a fine line between getting a woman tipsy and flat out drunk. I remember a chica that I've seen a dozen times or more in both Panama and Costa Rica. We've gotten shitfaced drunk four times together, twice it led to her virtually raping me with some of the most passionate sex I have ever had in or out of the hobby. The other two times it led to no sex at all, with her passed out and/or puking her guts out.
In almost every review of this provider, it was mentioned that the provider and client shared a glass of chardonnay, chatted, and then the fun started. It was mentioned frequently that she liked a particular type of wine. Nobody said drunk (I had that with my ex-wife, so no thanks).
I'm recently divorced, so I have nobody to give the chocolate to.
I guess it's okay. If she doesn't like the chocolate, she can give it as a gift to someone else.
And if you find one, try looking a little closer if you spot any adam's apple 
Bringing hookers gifts is something I just won't subscribe to....but others want to make believe that this is some sort of dating site.
I see it in reverse...the really good hookers have refreshments available for me when I show up. Not to mention some have candy and fruits.
What I would consider in seeing a hooker for the first time...plan on a 2 hour BCD and invite her to go out for dinner OTC with you. If she is "busy" then you'll know just how important the wine/chocolate/other shit you'd bring her means. LOL
Don't confuse this with a date that you need to impress with anything. YOU hired her for a period of time to fuck and suck...she will. Save the $ 100 and treat YOURSELF to another hooker....no shortage of them in ATL.
Several reviewers mentioned that she liked a certain type of wine. I don't know wines, so I did some research and found one that has good reviews. It's about $70 a bottle, so I got it. I figured that level of quality would be good for a casual wine fan, but not insulting to a true connoisseur.
Yesterday I received via UPS a gift of a three-box tower of chocolate boxes. They're excellent Italian chocolates. The three-box set is about $30. The chocolates aren't my taste, though, and I don't know who I'd give them to.
Would it be overkill to give the young lady both the wine and the chocolates on our first encounter? I've booked her for two to three hours.
I love you babe but we will disagree on that one whole-heartedly. Muah
But sincere on that.
No reason to be bringing anything on this (as in first) session. If they "hit it off"....he may want to let her know that he'd extend to a 3 hour BCD...with an understanding of a dinner OTC. YOU know that I won't pay to watch you or anyone else feed their faces. But others will gladly do so. To each their own.
Funny...when I meet a client for lunch..it's NEVER on the clock. As well I usually pick up the check. Seems like the hookers haven't figured out some business etiquette...and some never will. But then the gals think they are owed something...not understanding they have already been quite handsomely paid for spreading their legs.
LOL...well of course babe no reason to bring anything, but the fact that he is, you have to admit is a sweet gesture, even you have to admit that. Yes I know you're thought process all too well sir and yes most of us understand 'etiquette'. As mine is typically not OTC, but more or less I don't 'stare' at the clock when I'm with someone. Take it how you will. It all meshes together in one or another.
Are you paying me to spread my legs..NOOOOOO, you're paying me for my amazing banter and cute smile as we spend 'quality time' together Who are you kidding mister LOL
Too many hookers complain about mangina johnnie showing up with balloons, flowers and assorted other shit that is quite conspicuous when leaving a hotel. And many of those bottles of wine end up being left for housekeeping as well.
I don't see a gal for repeats without seeing her as a person. But as I said I won't pay her to smile and banter with me. That is something she will need to discover OTC at dinner/lunch. And of course if she is interesting to chat with...I find that seeing her BCD is even more entertaining. It's a formula that works for me...but I suspect many others have no interest in that type of scene.
As far as kidding anyone here...well, many are easily fooled. You know that as well LOL
Are you paying me to spread my legs..NOOOOOO, you're paying me for my amazing banter and cute smile as we spend 'quality time' together
Who are you kidding mister LOLCan I ask what you mean by BCD? Googling brings up the acronym definition "behind closed doors" but I don't understand what that entails.
So with the OTC dinner/lunch, you would pay for a certain length session and then also meet before or after for dinner where the time doesn't count against the total length session you paid for.
So what is BCD?
We are paying for sex.
I can get the same banter and cute smile from any bartender or waitress for free if that is all I was interested in.
If you disagree try telling your next "date" that for his thousand bucks all he is going to get is a "cute smile and some amazing banter" and see how that works out for you.
There's one closer to me...but I was at one in an upscale burb that has absolutely the most adorable little hotties running around serving food and drink.
I don't even need to bring them chocolates, balloons or flowers. And they'll "banter and smile" all night long.
Sure hope this doesn't go into triple OT either...I can only eat so much...and since I'm a really light drinker...that isn't why I'm there LOL
I can get the same banter and cute smile from any bartender or waitress for free if that is all I was interested in.
If you disagree try telling your next "date" that for his thousand bucks all he is going to get is a "cute smile and some amazing banter" and see how that works out for you.
Right, and try telling it to LE, too, and see how far it gets you. "Why officer, he was only paying to spend time with me because of my delightful banter. The sex part was free, because I simply found him so incredibly sexy!" LMAO!
See, that's where the contradictions come out for some people. You can find a gal to show up, fk you, and leave for 100 bucks, or you can pay 1500 for one who does that exact same thing but tosses you a bottle of water lol.
On one hand you have providers insisting they are paid for a date like experience, but all they come equipped with are condoms and heels. So, they basically want the guy paying to make THEM feel like a GF, but not the other way too? I don't get it. If all I did was fk a guy and provided nothing else, I would not charge what I do. I can do that for a third of the rate lol.
I provide ALL my clients their choice of liquor, bottled water, assorted fruit, cheese, bread, chocolates, and cold meats. It usually costs ME an extra 100-150 per date, and I am happy to do it. Add to that, I offer them a choice of THREE private freaking incalls and a driver service to take them from their hotel or airport, to me, and back for half of what a cab would cost them. I sometimes wish more men would express what some of us go through for them, and I know a few who do, and have said as such.
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And even then some never really do. The number of posts from experienced johns happy to pay for idle chit chat is staggering to me...and reeks of incredible loneliness. I guess I can understand that...but plenty of people out there to simply befriend and chat with for nothing.
Same with the hookers who really have no idea that a bare bones incall doesn't equate to "high class"...be it an apartment or hotel room. And yet I read reviews of HDH 1500+ hookers that subscribe to the "I'm beautiful and you should kiss my ass just because" bullshit. But the writers of those reviews lament wasting those bucks as well LOL
The dates you offer is exactly how I like to play this game. Maybe that is why I had such a good time with you? Fun and laughter...a little drink and eat..some hopping around...but then off to eat and just have a good time babbling. But guising the dinner time as OTC is brilliant....when in reality none is really OTC. Simply a price point that works for you...and me.
Funny...the gals that I've been seeing for years also have that same mentality. What a shocker LOL
On one hand you have providers insisting they are paid for a date like experience, but all they come equipped with are condoms and heels. So, they basically want the guy paying to make THEM feel like a GF, but not the other way too? I don't get it. If all I did was fk a guy and provided nothing else, I would not charge what I do. I can do that for a third of the rate lol.
I provide ALL my clients their choice of liquor, bottled water, assorted fruit, cheese, bread, chocolates, and cold meats. It usually costs ME an extra 100-150 per date, and I am happy to do it. Add to that, I offer them a choice of THREE private freaking incalls and a driver service to take them from their hotel or airport, to me, and back for half of what a cab would cost them. I sometimes wish more men would express what some of us go through for them, and I know a few who do, and have said as such.
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is the fact that the "Johnnie boys" that see them are too ashamed to admit that they got fucked out of their money, and not in the good way.
and not to kiss London's ass, (her head is big enough as it is) but what she offers and her price point are certainly in line, no matter how artfully she disguises her OTC time, and this is coming from someone who almost always books for only a single hour.
Amazing how that shitstorm goes...and it's all so predictable. The HDH's that never cry about anything....don't publicly create drama...don't shit on the boys back channel....those are ones that I would have no problem seeing. But alas...many are fucking drama queens and will and have gone to great lengths to protect their TER rankings.
But when you have hookers like London...and there are many in ChiTown who have her same mentality on the 2 hour BCD and OTC dinners, why waste a nickel on someone who has nothing but 10/10's and a litany of drama associated with them.
I'll leave that to those who wish to indulge in that crap. And then read their bullshit on the RO board and backchannel crying. Oh...and they had to write a 10/10...OR ELSE
and not to kiss London's ass, (her head is big enough as it is) but what she offers and her price point are certainly in line, no matter how artfully she disguises her OTC time, and this is coming from someone who almost always books for only a single hour.
I see the value in what London et al offers. Three or four hours together, with a couple of BCD hours is worth the seven or eight hundred bucks that she charges. It must be, because even though she is a blabbermouth with a tiny vag, she still manage to get some pretty high scores for a self described bitch. lol
No offense to Taylor, (well ok, maybe a bit) but I would never dream of paying her $1,000 2 hour rate, I would immediately skip right past her ad, even if I suddenly became attracted to women in their forties, she seems to think that the two hours should be spent fawning over her, and that's just not what I am looking for. London OTOH with all the little extras that she throws into her dates would make me feel like I got value for my money and that what it's all about. A guy should be happy with the experience, not feeling like he just got taken advantage or.
What you or I may consider a real deal...others would rather see a hooker that charges double or triple what we would consider "normal"...and be thrilled with that.
Not to mention that there are many who see someone like London as a negative given her diarrhea posts. And the thought of having to spend chat time with her is repulsive.
But there is no shortage of hookers here...in all shapes, sizes and colors. And johnnie boys to buy their 'time and companionship" LOL
I like my hookers cute and petite. I like them with a brain that functions. And I particularly like them sassy.
Impenetrable pussy is optional.
about herself, and one half hour of sex. The other half hour would be spent with me bolting early. I think I could get along with London though. She seems more down to earth.
I don't need it. Can you put me on the London Rayne Economy Plan? I'll find my way to your door. Spare me the booze, bottled water, cheese plate and "cold meats." Don't act like a GF, just act like a ho. Give me your primo BBBJ and let me put the first six inches of my Anaconda into your Teeny Twat. Charge me one third of your regular rate, and we're good. Normally, I'd require cramming my entire love shaft into you....but I like you and will settle for only partially fucking the Infamous London Rayne. Plus I fucking love Nawlins. I'll even take you to Clancy's for dinner. One of my favorite Uptown eateries. And since I will have been gentle, you'll be able to sit down while you eat!
You got it, Inicky. A Bj and dinner, no sex lol.
Ah.....the Udo approach! (minus the dinner, of course!).
You don't want to be seen in public with. It can be just that simple.
to be seen with the likes of Ridgetucky, or Udon't on your arm? lmao
I think even a favorable review by the likes of Udon't or SDIQ could be a kiss of death to a lady's business.
Just like the multiple "O's" we all have with every client.
And very good. And the weirdest thing for me is, there does not have to any attraction whatsoever. A good imagination and the right type of friction and kapow!.
it sounds lovely. She's a lucky lady whomever she is. Not so much for the 'gifts' themselves, but how you clearly went out of your way in your thought process and in considering her in addition to your time together. Going the extra mile for anything doesn't typically happen in this world or the real world, so anytime one does anymore is indeed a special thing.
Good for you. Hopefully she will appreciate your gesture.
Enjoy and have fun.
T.
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Not overkill, imo.
A gift in the 100s range for a first date is more of overkill than something under 100.
I brought chocolates for a provider once and she asked if I would like any with her.
I think she wanted both of us to eat it. I declined and who knows what she did with it afterwards.
She did try one, enjoyed it and then we started the session.
Several reviewers mentioned that she liked a certain type of wine. I don't know wines, so I did some research and found one that has good reviews. It's about $70 a bottle, so I got it. I figured that level of quality would be good for a casual wine fan, but not insulting to a true connoisseur.
Yesterday I received via UPS a gift of a three-box tower of chocolate boxes. They're excellent Italian chocolates. The three-box set is about $30. The chocolates aren't my taste, though, and I don't know who I'd give them to.
Would it be overkill to give the young lady both the wine and the chocolates on our first encounter? I've booked her for two to three hours.
And you will most certainly stand out in her mind for having paid attention. That's priceless!
Several reviewers mentioned that she liked a certain type of wine. I don't know wines, so I did some research and found one that has good reviews. It's about $70 a bottle, so I got it. I figured that level of quality would be good for a casual wine fan, but not insulting to a true connoisseur.
Yesterday I received via UPS a gift of a three-box tower of chocolate boxes. They're excellent Italian chocolates. The three-box set is about $30. The chocolates aren't my taste, though, and I don't know who I'd give them to.
Would it be overkill to give the young lady both the wine and the chocolates on our first encounter? I've booked her for two to three hours.
Saw my friend last week stopped by the mall on the way to buy a gift, It was hour before it opened so I waited. guess that lets you know what I think about gift's, I like giving them.
Now I hardly ever do, though ironically I did just yesterday because it was my first time with her and I'd learned what she likes. But I've been in girls' room enough times to see how many bottles of wine are stashed there. More than they can possibly use, and most of it is shit. My guess is it ends up being left for the maid. Why bother, unless she's made it clear what she likes?
I think a full envelope, and a clean, respectful client is all most girls want.
My last GF and I used to drink all the booze that her clients would bring, she never mentioned that that's where they came from, but there was always wine at her place, and most of the time if there were six bottles, every one of them were different, so I know she wasn't buying them and I wasn't buying them, so it was pretty obvious where they came from.
It's always been my custom to give women whom I'm seeing (sex or otherwise) gifts. Women like gifts. I would think that working girls are no different.
I just don't want to come across as desperate for her to like me. I'd like to find a girl I enjoy who also seems (real or not) to enjoy my company, and of course with whom I have great sex. If I can find such a girl, then I'll go back as often as possible.
I'm recently divorced (6 months). I don't want emotions. I want sex, but with a girl I like. I had that once with a girl when I was in my 20's. I went to her apartment three or four nights a week, and we just had sex. Never took her to a movie or dinner. It was great for both of us. I'd be happy to pay for that now.
I can't just do the "in and out in half an hour" thing. For one thing, there's a lot to touch and feel, much more than can be done in half an hour. Also, I'm driving 4 hours to get there, and staying overnight in a motel the night before. Why take all that time just for an hour? This is just me talking about me, not about anybody else and how he does things.
Two to three hours can help with your "performance anxiety" and I don't think a bottle of wine and a box of chocolates is really going "over the top" gift wise.
I dont' know if sharing the wine will help or hurt in the anxiety department, only you can be the judge of that. One other thing you might want to consider if you are still having performance problems with a young hottie. Some guys are intimidated by a hottie, thirty years younger than them. You might want to try an older, little more ordinary looking woman if that's the case. I hear it works for some guys, truth be told, it has the opposite effect on me. I like em young and tight, but this isn't about me.
Good Luck.
I dont' know if sharing the wine will help or hurt in the anxiety department, only you can be the judge of that. One other thing you might want to consider if you are still having performance problems with a young hottie. Some guys are intimidated by a hottie, thirty years younger than them. You might want to try an older, little more ordinary looking woman if that's the case. I hear it works for some guys, truth be told, it has the opposite effect on me. I like em young and tight, but this isn't about me.
Good Luck.
I've given a lot of thought to the age of this young woman (25). If her reviews didn't indicate that she was mature for her age, I don't know that I'd do this. She sounds like a real pro, though. The 21 year-old in the threesome in Nevada was too young. Hot as can be, not intimidating, but just too young.
I've looked at probably thousands of photos of girls in this part of the country. Near as I can tell, she's the best combination of face, body, personality and skills. I want young, firm and beautiful, and to hell with the cost.
Where the fuck do you live, you poor bastard? (No, don't tell me). No wonder you play so infrequently. Look, I'm spoiled because I live in the NYC area and there is primo pussy all over the place. I never have to drive more than an hour and usually half that.
Perhaps you need to consider moving. To me, being closer to pussy is a worthwhile reason.
PS: I am six months past my second divorce, too! Congratulations! And best of luck to you. You seem like a good guy.
Perhaps you need to consider moving. To me, being closer to pussy is a worthwhile reason.
PS: I am six months past my second divorce, too! Congratulations! And best of luck to you. You seem like a good guy.
At this point, I'd drive even further if I knew it was going to be really good. Hell, two years ago I took my vacation out west, and half the reason was to go to the brothel in Vegas.
There was a gorgeous Italian girl (accent and all) on one of the high end escort sites who worked out of L.A. I'm a sucker for a beautiful Italian woman with accents. I was considering flying to L.A. for her, but she was dropped from the agency's lineup for some reason.
Considering all of the money and effort I put into "getting some" when I was married, and never knowing if I was going to get anything at all, driving four hours for a sure thing is a better bet.
save yourself a ton of money and go to Latin America. Delta has 2 non stops a day from Atlanta to San Jose, Costa Rica, and daily non stops to Panama City, Panama, Liberia Costa Rica, Bogota Colombia, and a dozen different Islands in the Carribean.
For a fraction of the cost of going to Vegas, and about the same ease of travel, fuck Vegas, Head south my friend. Your dick will thank you.
In the meantime, Atlanta is a great hobby city. I think you will find just as many choices at barely half the price point of Las Vegas.
...read and hear about other places I'm so glad I'm in Atlanta.
I brought a couple I saw a box of chocolates from a great local shop to break the ice.
They brought a bottle of champagne.
What's the problem here?!
It's FUN to bring gifts!
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