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Gay for pay . . . .
cks175 51 Reviews 3623 reads
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1 / 43

Everyone here knows the pricing for a three way is typically double the price. If you read the reviews, we know that many of these experiences are well worth the extra cost, and might even be considered a bargain when factoring in the sensory overload and bang for the buck.

But even if it’s perceived as a bargain, is it really fair? Case in point is seeing a provider who is listed as “Very Into Bi”. Now we decide to add a third to the mix. Now if the original provider is going to get as much enjoyment from the third as we are, if not more, doesn’t it follow that the original provider should split the cost for adding the third? This is especially true if the added provider has an average looks/performance rating higher than our original girl. Imagine bringing in a 10/9 for an 8/8 girl and paying full price for both of them.

 I mean I can see the monger paying the full cost of any up charges (Anal, CIM, COF), but for the basic service? If the industry moved to this more equitable model, it would benefit everyone in the long run. More three-ways for mongers, more three-ways for providers, increased volume overall.

This won’t happen overnight.

1. First, us mongers have to start asking for such an arrangement.  Let the girls know that the demand for such a service/price point is out there.  
2. Next step boycott? No!! Drive the point home with reviews. In the narrative section detail what an extraordinary experience it was, but in the Performance Rating, because of pricing, rate it 2- Total Rip-off.
3. Only the final step would be to consider a boycott.  But let’s be optimistic and hope it doesn’t get to that point.

inicky46 61 Reviews 135 reads
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2 / 43

What are you smoking? Do you really think you're going to change the way pricing for this service has been done for years? The answer is simple: no, you're not.  
Ask for your version all you want but you're not going to get it. And how the hell do you think writing a review will change anything? It won't.  Not to mention that your review plan would have you paying full price for a really good session and then rating it a 2. Idiotic.
As for fairness, how is it fair to expect the first woman to share the cost of the second? Do you think you're the late, unlamented Jack Dunphy? Or do you really think she's doing less work? She isn't.
The key to having a good doubles session is to choose girls who already know each other and are into each other. Then they'll deliver a session that you'll feel was worth every penny.
In this game you have only one choice; agree to the price or don't book the session.
Nice old pervy drawing though.

TheVoiceOfReason 90 reads
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3 / 43

Also, most ladies aren't as into other ladies as we would like to think.  Doubles are a little dicey for a lot of ladies.  Oftentimes there is one lady that feels that she does all the work.  Sometimes ladies tend up competing and trying to outdo each other.

Steve_Trevor 107 reads
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4 / 43

if a provider has an especially good time with a client, he should demand a discount and even boycott her unless she gives a discount for all that enjoyment.  

 
Uh... No.

 
I have seen some cases where two providers who’re friends and really into each other will offer a package deal that’s less than the sum of their individual rates.  For example my ATF offers such a deal with her BFF, who’s also a provider.  

 
So maybe you can find some arrangements like that. But don’t expect them. As always, if a provider (or two) doesn’t fit your budget, find someone who does.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 90 reads
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5 / 43

in a P4P provider double doesn't have the same vibe for me as being in a three-way with two civvie women who are truly bisexual.  That's why my last double was in early 2015.  For me, its nowhere near a bargain if the girls are just tag-teaming me and taking turns pleasuring me, and that's what usually happens in a provider double.  There are probably exceptions, but I have not run across one yet.  My last double was with two girls I had already seen individually, and when they offered doubles together, I thought it would be the ultimate three way, but it wasn't.  It was just two providers taking turns with me, each doing half the work but each still getting full pay.  While I would never ask for a discount, I prefer to just avoid a scene that cannot deliver as good a fantasy as I usually get from a GFE provider working alone.    

innyc77 29 Reviews 104 reads
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6 / 43

...that you shouldn't be paid adequately for your job just because you enjoy it?  

asking for a friend...

cks175 51 Reviews 119 reads
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7 / 43

Nicky was way off the mark, I but you added in some solid points on your own. Doubles can be dicey, and it certainly isn’t fair for one provider to do all the work, or even most of it.

cks175 51 Reviews 89 reads
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8 / 43

Thank you. Your unbiased insight is always appreciated. It’s always helpful to hear from those who have actual experience with the topic at hand.

cks175 51 Reviews 106 reads
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9 / 43

A lot of good points here, but what stands out is your observations re package deals. Another commenter claimed this was impossible, yet here we have anecdotal evidence that a pricing scheme somewhat similar to the one mentioned in the OP does exist. Maybe that monger lacks the imagination to manifest an arrangement like that for himself.

That said, your approach is markedly different from that outlined in the original post, and I think it’s safe to say yours is more reasonable and achieves a better outcome.

cks175 51 Reviews 30 reads
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10 / 43

Point taken. And good day to you!

team_rocket_qwerty 37 reads
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11 / 43

Consumers' matters, like it or not, is exactly our lane. This is a two-way business and without demand, you are not making money, let's be honest here.

It is well within the consumers' rights to question or ask things.

 
In this case, I'm not sure I understand the point the OP is making, admittedly, but again, this is a SHARED lane.

team_rocket_qwerty 81 reads
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12 / 43

Yeah I can't say I can follow the logic of because of someone enjoying the work they should be paid less...This doesn't make any sense to me.

 
I'll gladly pay EXTRA for girls who enjoy a threesome more than they enjoy solos. And in many bay area kgirl orgs, menage is 600 while solo is 220. So it's nearly 3x the price, and what you get is usually disappointing....usually because your imagination and fantasy run ahead of reality...

cks175 51 Reviews 41 reads
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13 / 43

It’s a caps lock “shared lane”? don’t think you want to go there with Alli, or any companion for that matter.

cks175 51 Reviews 120 reads
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14 / 43

TBH the concept presented in the OP was based on an unserious, wildly hypothetical scenario where one companion desired a rendezvous with another companion as much as the hobbyist did.  Kind of a parody of the all too many topics posted here where mongers complain about market pricing.

That said, it is true that imagination and fantasy can run ahead  
of reality. Back in the day, the Korean AMPs within Washington DC proper were more full out brothels than they were rub and tug massage parlors. Sadly, gentrification and LE combined to run those establishments out of town. I drunkenly stumbled into one on a late evening and got hooked up with an attractive girl. Mamasan asked me if I wanted to add another girl to the package, and I agreed. She then sent in another woman who was not at all attractive (Looks 3/4).  Had I stuck with that, the evening certainly would have been a disappointment. So I sent her back out with a message to Mamasan that I was good with a solo that night. Just moments later Mamasan appeared at the door with a much more attractive “new girl” and I was assured I would have a great time. She was right. I paid double the solo price, but got more than my money’s worth out of the evening!

inicky46 61 Reviews 135 reads
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15 / 43

Just not very well. You really should learn to go with a gif. They are much funnier.

GaGambler 53 reads
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16 / 43

and then I reread the OP and couldn't find it in me to even try to defend it. lol

 
I agree, it most definitely is a SHARED lane and consumers have every right to discuss the pricing of ANY business, sex work most certainly not being an exception, BUT this is not the thread where I am going to make that stand. lol The OP was WAY off base and I think even he knew he was.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 103 reads
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17 / 43

You don't have to rely on some other dunce to know the difference between "your" and "you're."  Conan should have vetoed this one before it went up.  Lol

inicky46 61 Reviews 156 reads
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18 / 43
nevertoolarge 30 Reviews 109 reads
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19 / 43

first doesnt the original post belong on the humor board ?  LOL ...      

a few years ago i met a top LA girl who happened to be in  vegas that week.   i booked for 90 minutes ..   we hooked up but she wanted to hit the strip clubs.  so we went ..and she was all over me as we sat in the club ... after i peeled her off she looked around the room and said ..  i like the tits on that girl over there and she runs off .     15 minutes later she returns --

ok that girl is going to join us she tells me !!! ,   great I say kinda sarcastically.  how much is this going to cost me.   "nothing she says,  i'll pay for her.   so back to the hotel we go ..  2 hours of pure  3way sex ..  finally the stripper has to leave at 4am  so her BF can pick her up at the club without him knowing what happened!       my girl leave around 5am .      ahhh what can happen when you treat a woman with respect and appreciation.    

but asking a girl normally to pay for the 2nd girl !?!?!?!??    one should be thrilled to find 2 ladies who are truly bi and love what they do !!   heck some truly Bi girls charge extra for 3 somes and i get that............. is this a bad time to tell you about the two UTR BBFS extremely Bi girls i used to play with ...  wait??  too soon ?   LOL  LOL

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 100 reads
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20 / 43

my grammar faux pas.  Why do you get special consideration?  Lol

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 107 reads
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21 / 43

a premium for doubles, especially the Kgirls you refer to because they are rarely bisexual, so they just just take care of you and spend little to no time on each other.  Its not a true Three-way, its a two on one.  What is there NOT to like about doing half the work and still getting full pay?  The majority of Kgirls won't do doubles at all, because they think its nasty.  The ones that still do it are the money-grubbers that will do anything for money, especially if they can add an upcharge.  If you think there is going to be much chemistry in a situation like that, then you are in for a major disappointment, unless you are one who is extra-gullible when you have an erection. You should stop calling it a menage, its not anything close to the true spirit of a menage, at least not the ones that I have had with Kgirls.  I have asked hundreds of Kgirls if they see women customers (looking out for my local hobby-bro Lopaw) and have yet to have one tell me yes.  (If I can get one to say yes, I know I could get Lopaw through the booker screening.)  If a provider advertises that she sees men AND women, then a doubles session has some possibilities of being everything you would expect from a true menage.  These will most often be indies, not Kgirls.  

 
I agree with you that someone should not be paid less if they enjoy the work, but at the same time, I would question whether its ethical for a provider to fake it in an unconvincing way, or worse yet, do a half-assed job, when they DON'T enjoy it, but just want the money anyway.  

-- Modified on 11/23/2020 6:08:31 AM

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 107 reads
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22 / 43

My one and only 3-way was with two SB's.  I could really only focus on one at a time and felt like I had to ignore one.  Therefore it wasn't that satisfying and I really have no particular desire to do it again ... especially since it costs twice as much.  Naturally if two chicks want to give me a freebie, I could be talked into it.

GaGambler 40 reads
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24 / 43

and that is hardly limited to the sex business, but like it or not consumers are allowed input where it comes to prices ESPECIALLY on a review board. You might not like it, but consumers have the right to whine about prices no matter whether it's the price of a meal, a car, or even a fucking yacht or jet.  

 
Once upon a time salespeople of luxury items like yachts and jets, and high priced pussy too I guess used to have a saying "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" That kind of marketing might have worked once upon a time, but try using that strategy today when selling a high priced luxury item and most people will simply tell you to fuck off as they leave to go find someone else to buy from. I don't know if you have shopped for a new car lately, but one thing you will find is that it's very rare to find a high pressure salesman selling luxury vehicles. Rich people by and large won't allow a salesman to treat them like shit. I know I won't and the same thing applies when I buy/rent pussy, a haughty attitude doesn't fare too well with me. I have plenty of money and plenty of choices, given a choice between "my way or the highway" I will take the highway everytime. Maybe your clients are different, but respect goes BOTH ways in my world.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 99 reads
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25 / 43

I would have asked for myself later anyway.  LOL

pm5805 4 Reviews 89 reads
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26 / 43
team_rocket_qwerty 100 reads
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27 / 43

"I agree with you that someone should not be paid less if they enjoy the work, but at the same time, I would question whether its ethical for a provider to fake it in an unconvincing way, or worse yet, do a half-assed job, when they DON'T enjoy it, but just want the money anyway"

 

I mean, this happens to a lot of providers even without a threesome. Let's face it, many (I'm not going to say majority because I lack any numbers) providers do it for money and don't enjoy it with random dudes and are faking it, often in an unconvincing way.

 

I mentioned this on kgirl board before, but I was interested in this double with my atf and another top 3 kgirl that was offered. One is a nympho who loves to fuck and the other is immaculate skills but not a nympho, but she's featured in all doubles and she's a teacher and a boss in many meanings of the word.  

 
The nympho said hell yeah I love doubles let's do it. She loves to fuck and she likes money lol. The other girl said doubles are a waste of time and money.  

 
I probably overthought it and decided to not go for it. I was just wary that my relationshop with them would worsen. Looking back this was a bad decision,but it is what it is.

Steve_Trevor 103 reads
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28 / 43

It’s interesting that with all the experience you seem to have with providers you’ve never run across a case where two of them aren’t just taking turns with you.  I guess you have to know where to look.

 
To get a great FFM threesome, I found it works well if I depend on recommendations from a provider I know and trust vs trying to line up the two women myself.  I’ve had 100% success with that, because the trusted provider knows what I like and knows what she likes, which guarantees a great time for all.

 
There was just one time when I recommended another provider to my really-bi ATF, someone she’d never met. But the other provider told me she’d like to meet my ATF up close and personal, so I asked my ATF. She was ok with it but met with the other provider beforehand to make sure they clicked.  And... they did!

EveAlexander See my TER Reviews 103 reads
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29 / 43

The most toxic thing about the fantasy culture is the myths around mind reading, and liking the same things. I'm supposed to go into a room, look at a dude and go "I know exactly what you want" and BOOM give it to him. OR, I'm supposed to just be doing my thing, the stuff I like, which somehow magically happens to be the stuff he likes too. It's all quite silly. And, it leads to a lack of communication, and thus a whole lot of missed (potentially) awesome opportunities.

I like a lot of things, but more importantly I'm GGG. If we're going off the typical reservation, I ask questions. Sometimes that turns people off (guys and girls). Others really dig that I give a damn. And, whether I get good info back or not is sort of a tossup.

What I can say is that, in the lack of clear, honest communication, a provider will default to whatever tactics are least likely to end up with a disappointed client. If you want something that's different, it really is on you to get that across.

lopaw 29 Reviews 82 reads
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30 / 43

You'll no doubt never get one to admit that they are curious about really being with another woman. It's a mixture of their culture and reluctance to ever go against the established norm. I've been with several Korean masseuses and escorts in their late 30's/early 40's who have told me that they would never have agreed to see women customers when they were younger. They were afraid to explore that side of themselves, and feared the reaction of others if they were to find out. Ahhhh....the joy and stupidity of youth, lol :)

team_rocket_qwerty 101 reads
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31 / 43

I don't really see what is so "toxic" about fantasies.

"Toxic" and "fantasy culture" seem like buzzwords that don't really apply here.

 
Many guys suck at communicating and expect you to sweep them off their feet knowing what they like,true  

Nothing toxic or systemically cultural about them, simply imagination running wild.  

Some girls try to play along with their routine, some want a discussion to suit the mongers better, and so on. I agree with you that it's expected that the girl will start a routine and up to client to try to deviate if he feels something is not to his liking. I just don't think it's bad or somehow toxic. People have communication issues all the time, it's normal imo.

Just my two cents.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 85 reads
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32 / 43

do what is natural and feels right for them, and forget about reverting to some kind of role that guys are supposed to dig.

 
At least the guy will see you at your best.   If he digs it, fine.   If not, then it wasn't meant to be anyway.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 88 reads
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33 / 43

is, even if they are curious, they would not admit it to a man.  I sometimes get the feeling when I ask if they see women that if they say yes, they will never see me again.  (They might even see me more!!  -  LOL)  Its a tough sell coming from a man, but on the other hand, how do YOU get close enough to ask yourself in the first place?  That's the dilemma.  

 
And its nice to have you appear on the board.  Welcome back.  

1angelinajones See my TER Reviews 112 reads
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34 / 43

I probably think not!!   There's no dollar amount that suffices
an activity which one knows nothing about!   Try it sometime
then cum discuss ....{pun intended}

Just because I too enjoy women, and adore a "Duos Session",
does not equate to less work, nor should I get disparate compensation
because I'm the "less hotter" of the Duo!  WTF?  {no disrespect however
to you Mr. Poster}

"Doubles Sessions" are actually more work for the Providers, as the  
logistics of creating a truly mind-blowing tryst takes creativity, stamina,
and ultimately the genuine affinity between said Companions.

If Duos Partners are synergistic as my partner and I are, we always
provide  ultimate satisfaction to our Clients, regardless of our  
individual beauty, shape, size, and skill-set  etc.

We're aware of our individual likes, dislikes, strengths, and weaknesses.    
We are also abreast of each other's stamina, and provide to each
unspoken nuances of when to change activity, positions, alter pace,
and timing.

We're  intimately aware of each other's safety/pain threshold in the
instance when/if a Gentleman is being too rough, or needs to hasten
as time is of the essence.  

I enjoy working with my "Duos Partner because the chemistry is
apparent.... we joke, laugh, and love to pamper our Client and
each other and it shows.....because I mean why not?    
Life's too short to not indulge  "disfruta el punto dulce!!    

However, whilst having fun at my job doesn't mean I shouldn't be
remunerated as an equal player in the rendezvous!    

I pose this thought to 0.P.:
If I'm the Provider of the Menage giving the best BJ of your entire
experience and your life in most cases, ...my hotness regardless, rates
secondary to the said superb delivery of your release.    

I may be clueless because I'm not a Man.
However, I've seen many an eye roll back in the head and the curling  
of toes,  whilst the Client is in euphoria.   I'm betting the little head  
really gives two f**** at that point, who's the hotter of the two Providers!
He's just happy to not be with his wife at that instant.

Sign Me,
Petty, or Not Petty, Yet Still Pretty

blue5361 191 Reviews 112 reads
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35 / 43

I have only had kgirl doubles as they have pricing that I deem to be reasonable at 600 per hour. I wouldn’t want to spend 1000 per hour or more for a double unless it was guaranteed to be incredible!

I like to visit both girls individually first and be sure they like each other and are into a double. I have to think both are hot and have good sessions with both individually. After I satisfy that criteria, I am good to go!  

For me the fun is having two girls focused on me at one time! Kissing two girls, or kissing one while the other goes down on you! A double bbbj is hard to beat! Moving through each sexy step with double arousal is what gets me off. If they are good at kissing and bbbj, I will have a great session. Usually they have to work in the same room, and they must both be hot in my opinion. Based on my stats, this has been an infrequent activity - perhaps every few years! If I see a potential pair it may take some time to preview both. I have had a few great doubles in the right circumstance!
I certainly don’t think a discount should have been offered!

EveAlexander See my TER Reviews 107 reads
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36 / 43

You're absolutely right that words like toxic and fantasy culture have been kidnapped by the buzzword culture. And buzzwords usually end up wielded so incorrectly that it warps their meaning.  

So, let me explain what I mean by toxic. I like the good old fashion dictionary meaning of 1) poisonous 2) very harmful or unpleasant in a pervasive and insidious way. If I were substitute the definition for the word in my original idea it would look like this:

If you can't or won't clearly communicate, it can be very harmful to your goals of getting boned the exact way you want.

See? Toxic.

Also, I've been a coach in the other side of my life for nearly a decade. It would be more appropriate to say that many *people* suck at communication, guys and gals. The good news, however, is that the ability to communicate well isn't a fixed trait; ie-if you suck at it, it's 100% possible to learn and improve.

lopaw 29 Reviews 93 reads
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37 / 43

Thank you, CDL. I haven't done any mongering of any kind since June, so I haven't had much to contribute. It's always nice to pop in from time to time to check in on the latest gossip, lol.

inicky46 61 Reviews 116 reads
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GaGambler 115 reads
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39 / 43

It doesn't stop them from running their mouths here all day, in your case we LIKE hearing from you:)))

 
I am sure CDL is happy though, he probably thinking "more for me" lol

 
AAR it is nice to see you popping in again, I hope all is well.

WICardinalfan 99 reads
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40 / 43

My first 3-sum was sensory overload, so I get it.

Please try it again, and take your time.  The ladies know the score and take care of themselves if need be (toys perhaps).

While I am far from an expert, I try to keep both parties engaged.  Example, I am DATY one, while the other is kissing said gal or sucking on her nipple.  Stuff like that, but it only works if both are really bi.

Been one year since I have had one.  Seems like decades.

Anyway, try it again, you maybe pleasantly surprised.

HaydenHightower See my TER Reviews 99 reads
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VIPTiffMichaels See my TER Reviews 156 reads
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“ Now if the original provider is going to get as much enjoyment from the third as we are, if not more, doesn’t it follow that the original provider should split the cost for adding the third? This is especially true if the added provider has an average looks/performance rating higher than our original girl. Imagine bringing in a 10/9 for an 8/8 girl and paying full price for both of them.”
Okay, firstly, the man who I find to be a sweetheart gets the same price as the man who blows my mind. It has nothing to do with the level of pleasure I experience within our session. The lady who sometimes books time with me pays the same rate as the men, and when I sometimes book time with a provider, I pay their full rate, no question about it. I’ll say it again, the pleasure experienced within a session has nothing to do with rates.
At one point I was #11 on the review boards. Did I raise my rate because of a placement online? Nope, I offer the same experience I always have, regardless of how you all perceive my skills. And honestly if I had a 6/10 my rate would remain the same.  
Yes, seeing two beautiful women in this industry is pricy, and rightfully so. Get over yourself dude and stop plotting against ladies who’s only goal is to provide you with pleasure.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 217 reads
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I've always wondered the reasoning behind why someone would want to pay more because a provider likes the sexual experience with them less? To me, that seems a little odd that someone would pay more because a provider isn't having a good time. What does that look like?

I know people who say things like this aren't ALL major perverts who get off on a woman not wanting to be in a certain sexual situation, but sometimes it comes across that way. Like they want to pay more for a molestation/coercion fetish or something.

To get off on someone being uncomfortable during sex, I mean...

Sensory overload is actually a thing - glad you mentioned it. Duos are actually very difficult for some because of sensory issues, and it can sometimes get painful. It gets really uncomfortable for me especially when the man's touch is "Gentle Giant," and the woman's touch is that of a butterfly lol. Two different touches and even breathing patterns get me all sorts of fucked up lol.

I prefer one on one, even though I enjoy women. No way in hell I would give a discount for a duo.

But like - why would you want to pay less because you have two HOT women in bed with you enjoying themselves? Where is the logic?

-- Modified on 11/27/2020 6:49:47 PM

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