As a sorta newbie ( I have a best friend who has been a hobbyist for 10 years), I noticed as I started I was always a lil worried about how some provider was going to view me, or shut the door in my face once they realized my ethnicity (i'm african american/filipino). Luckily that hasn't happened yet for me and I have seen almost every ethnicity as far as providers in my short hobby. By the way I'm a very handsome guy and young and in shape, (so I have been told) but I have heard stories about girls not seeing african american guys (don't know why they wouldn't) But recently I wanted to see this provider who was korean and she had the dreaded "i don't date african american men" tag which sucked being that its 09, and I know, I know, everyone has there choice! Blah Blah blah, but I wonder to all the ethnic hobbyist have you encountered problems with certain type of providers not wanting to see you. sorry if this has been posted before but I'm curious.

Yes, it has happened to me, although rarely.  But as long as the provider made her preference known upfront, I didn't care.  I don't want to see or spend money on anyone who feels that way towards my race so those providers did me a favor.

The only time I've been pissed is the couple times when I get there and they've refused to answer the door or answer their phones.  That's just rude and uncalled for.  They could have let me in and simply explained the situation. Doing otherwise shows a lack of common a decency and made me even more relieved that I did not spend my hard earned money to these women.

topic. You're right, it's 2009. And racism still exists. It will exist next year, the year after, et cetera, et cetera. There are women out there, white, black, Asian and Hispanic who won't see black men, and some who only see black men. I've seen their ads. It's the nature of the societal beast. If you come across a provider who won't see you because of your race, move on. If I want to see a particular black provider, but can't because I'm white, that's okay. I'll move on. For every one who won't see you, there are two or three others who will.

Some people just aren't attracted to certain races.

You need to stop self-pitying and worrying about what could possibly happen and focus on each provider as an individual, realizing that what she does is very intimate.

Its not "blah blah blah", respect other people!
Just because you can't have what you want 100% of the time doesn't mean that there is something "wrong" with providers who make these choices for themselves.
Personally, I'm not very attracted to Indian men.
Do I see them?  Sometimes but I would really prefer not to.  Does that make me a racist? No, it most certainly does not.

If a potential provider is not sexually attracted to black men there are ten more who will be.  If it happens to you, just move on.
I've seen lots of black men who identify themselves as black on my form or in email I guess "just in case" so I suspect it is an issue for a lot more ladies then those who explicitly say it on their website.  No big deal, they throw it out there and get the dates that they want without the drama of arriving at someone's door and having it not be answered.

And yes, this has been discussed may times.  Use the search feature to find a few discussions about it.

it is sad, but discrimination still exists.  Lucky for you, my friend, there are plenty of providers that don't care what race you are.

So, if you find one that won't see you because of your race, consider yourself lucky that she let you know ahead of time, and move on.

Bottom line is, there are lots of girls out there who don't care what color you are, your money is the same color as mine, green.....

Enjoy,
Swim

yet every time this becomes a topic its more about preferences than it is about racism.

This is NOT walmart. Woman have a certain type of man they want to see and ones they don't.
Its an intimate business and preference is a part of this business.You are not just hanging out or sharing a pizza  You are asking a woman to share her body with you, its a very personal thing and some woman don't want to see black or hispanic asians or what ever. She owes you no explanatiopn and theres no right or wrong issue here.
Yes theres a right way to handle this of course.
Plus if you are black and have had a problem, next time make it a point to tell the gal you are black. If she has a problem with it, so be it see someone else.
Its too intimate a business to ask someone to just "get over it" Sorry but its just the way it is.

yea I agree and I didn't want to make my post about racism per se, but just wondering how many ethnic people go through this, although in our daily lives this is everyday (for every race), was just pretty curious as I haven't had any problems, but being a newb just wanted to hear some opinions, which I love by the way since everyone has there own. and again I agree this is mainly preferences based on experiences which I practice as well, since I normally pick providers based off of something I like and don't like.

Good luck finding the answers you seek.

Xoxo,
Gia

1. Providers do not care what you look like. They are working, not looking for a BF.  If you pass their screening requirements, are clean, polite and have the required donation then you meet theur criteria for a "good date".

2.  You may posses all of the requirements I mentioned above but there are going to be providers who will not see you based on your ethnicity.  This is not wrong no matter what year it is.  It's their body and their choice.  

You get to pick who you want to see.  So do they.

it is all about choices and too many times I see Gents say isn't my money as green as the next?
Its not always as cold as the color of your money.
It is an Intimate business based on preferences and choices.

It seems a lot of the posters agree that the lady does have the right to choose with whom she will be intimate (whether it be in a professional or civvy encounter).  The issue I have is in where the burden of disclosure falls.  When I am perusing the reviews and ads for a lady with whom to spend a little time, I take great care in my research.  I try to narrow my choices methodically to find the lady I feel might best offer the experience I desire for the day.  I do not have a problem describing myself if asked, but I don't feel that it is fair to me to have to tell a lady in my first phone call or email, "oh, by the way, just in case it matters to you, I am half black...".  I feel that the lady, if she has an issue with appearance or attitude, should disclose this up front so that I know not to call in the first place.  

I posted about an experience I had a year or so ago where I had a wonderful email interaction with a lady for a week or so before my appointment.  Upon arrival, however, she was shocked and dismayed that I look the way I do.  Total case of "she didn't ask" and "I didn't tell".  Some suggest I could have been more forthcoming with it (like I had a disease and it would have been kinder to her to tell her up front about it...).  I maintain that, had she mentioned anything in her ad or her questionnaire, I would not have even made contact.

I am of a mixed race, and look white. BUT, it never mattered when I was hooking up with a lady, whether civvie or with a provider.

Been with black, hispanic, and white ladies. Oriental would be a first!

I'm newer to the hobby myself, and I've learned from the ladies and the veteran hobbyists that as long as you're respectful, clean, well groomed, and not a dick, you will find what you're looking for.

I know I'm not as goodlooking as I think I am, and can be quite charming sometimes. Though some ladies will tell me different!  

If a lady has a problem with your skin color, I'm sure you can find more than one that will be more than happy to see you inspite of!

I don't know where you live, but as long as it's not Bumfucked, Idaho, I'm sure you can find quite a few ladies that would be more than happy to spend time with you.

Some will say it's the envelope that matters anyway, and doesn't matter what color the guy is that it comes from.

It's funny, the stigma that black men are all 'hung' so some ladies, especially oriental ladies are scared.

We all know that's not true. Some are especially endowed, most aren't. Skin color has nothing to do with it. So I've read.

Matter of fact, a tech at one of the car dealerships I service is black and he sees only oriental ladies. He has pictures plastered all over and above his tool box of gorgeous oriental ladies. He plays semi-pro football also and is cool as hell. Good looking guy, too.  

So, idrism, don't let a few get you down.

You'll find what you're looking for, I guarantee it!

MP

regular American. I've seen them all and have never been told no...

I do not see African American men. Why? Very simple. I am not attracted to them. Now, does this mean that I am attracted to every white client, as someone felt the need to ask once? No, of course not. But there is a better chance that I'll be more comfortable, more open, and therefore so will the client. Quite simply, it is my body, my business, and my choice.

Am I racist? Not at all. I have friends of various races, my younger brother, whom is adopted, (as am I) is malaysian, my best guy friend in the entire world is black.  Its all about preferences.

I would hope that most girls are in this business not just because of the money, but because they truly enjoy what they do. If its all about the money, then by all means, see anyone and everyone. But for me? I do this because I really love it. I love sex. And I want to ensure to the best of my ability that both myself and my client are going to have the best time possible. Hence my preferences. If I've never been attracted to/had sex with an african american male in "real" life, what are the chances in this biz? Again, its not about the money for me.

My website states on my intro page, that I "cater to professional caucasian gentlemen, 35-50s". I usually receive at least one nasty email per week, asking why I'm a racist cunt. So be it. But it has nothing to with it being 2009, or racism, etc. Hell, some girls have had bad experiences with men of certain races. Some girls don't see indian men, or asian men, middle eastern men, etc. But once again, its all about preferences, and it being your right to see who you want.

Men have their preferences as well. Some prefer the young spinner types. Some prefer more curvy or BBW types. Some white men absolutely love african american women. Some men prefer 35+. I've seen numerous posts on the regional boards from men looking for someone to meet up with, or a massage, etc., and then a lady responds to the post, and the guy comes back saying "thanks, but you aren't what I'm looking for". You can't take it personally if a lady has her preferences. Just think of it as her doing you, and others a favor up front, as obviously you want to have the best time possible.

What is sad that there are many black women who won't see black guys either but I been in the hobby for about 6 years now and and there was NEVER a women I had to have, so if I am ever turned down for any reason, no problem. But with verification services, my race is listed so a decline is always assumed because of my race. A verbal "no" is like getting rejected in a club....if thats the case, why hobby. Just let it roll of your back and move to the next, your money good someplace.

set an appointment and give you a half hearted experience.

If nothing else, when you're sorting through your list of options, you know who not to waste your time with.

I know it sucks, but it's the brightest side of the equation.

~Bella

I don't want a lot of confusion when booking a session. It would be nice if all providers listed what races that they will see so clients don't waste time contacting them but thats a subject for another post.

take dates with black guys.  Do this before you send any refs. or try to book any appts.  Too many women in this hobby to bother with the ones that don't.  

I personally would never wait to get the room to find out if a Provider dated black guys.  My time is too fucking precious to play that game.

On a personal note all this bullshit about being attracted or not attracted to black guys is bullshit.  The truth is some white women feel a need to maintain their "dignity" in this hobby by telling themselves at least I am not fucking a N----r for money.  

But really who gives a flying fuck.

It has nothing to do with racism since even some black women prefer not to see black men

Women in this business fuck men that they aren't attracted to all the time in exchange for money (that's what makes the business appealing to many here).  So the bullshit about simply not being attracted to black men is just that.  Bullshit.  There are some other reasons there which aren't being divulged, no matter what people say here.  Why would a provider come on a public forum and say "I'm just afraid of black men that's why I don't see them."  They're always going to give some lame PC answer because doing otherwise would make them look bad.  

People can tell you to just move on and get over it all they like, but that won't make it less frustrating to deal with.  However, it is still all that can be done and it probably the best advice to be given.  I never jump through hoops to make my ethnicity known to anyone, and I wouldn't recommend a black man doing it any differently.  If they're bigots, it's their fault not yours.

First, it is a funny thing that I have yet to be booked by a black man (it’s been a year!). Apparently, some of you have preferences as well. Thank the Lord for the white and Asian men out there that love meeting brown-skinned ladies. THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THAAAAAAAAANK YOU!!!

Second, just as we put ourselves out there, it is nice for you all to do the same. Of course, we are not paying to see you, but as professionals we are responsible for providing you with an amazing experience. Some ladies simply cannot provide that experience to every and any man that contacts her. And why put her and you in an unpleasant situation be meeting and acting as if preferences do not exist?

When I am not fiddling with my website (I finally have a new one up. Yay!), I have photos there available for a gentleman to view when deciding if he would like to see me.

He may choose not to see me because:
1) I am of mixed heritage, as my mother is Swedish (yes she is white!) and my father is of Kenyan/Guatemalan roots…NOTE: and I am all American with no accent (besides a suburban one) despite my family being a rainbow (please do not expect that!).
2) I am a voluptuous woman with curves for those who can really appreciate them and not the weak at heart.
AND…
3) I am [insert any reason why a hobbyist may not want to see me here].

Personally, if he does not want to see me, I do not want to see him! No questions about it. There are so many other men out there that do want to see me and will keep me sexually satisfied. Mmmm…No need to worry about the others.

I am judged daily…and for a living at that! This is part of my job. Similarly, wisely picking the gentlemen I will spend intimate time with is a part of what I do. I would hate to provide a horrible experience because I did not screen based on my preferences before meeting. It is only fair to both a potential client and me.

Officially, I have decided I will judge men just as they judge me, as the money is not what drives me. I have preferences and green is not always green. Emotionally it can be draining f*cking someone who repulses me. I prefer to approach my line of work in a positive manner. If I start crossing my preference lines, I will not enjoy being a companion. I want to experience AMAZING times as a companion, not less than stellar ones. Plus, realistically, I only have a few more good years at doing this. I want those years to be filled with positive memories only.

So, why did I post under your particular reply? Well, you ask where does the burden fall? I think it falls on both the hobbyist and the provider. Just as we put ourselves out there with photos of our bodies, faces, etc. for you to scrutinize and enjoy, it is only appropriate for you to share some of you with us. This will ensure that both parties have the best experience possible. Anyway, it is not like we are asking for a gallery of what you look like or shower pictures that will forever be lost in cyber space; rather some of us simply ask for general information about you or your appearance. A true professional will decline a meeting with someone she would not interact well with, rather than booking the appointment and taking the client’s money after providing him with a poor experience.

Let’s all just find those who want to actually spend time with us and screw our brains out!

Happy hobbying everyone!!!!

Xoxo,
Gia

Lots of ladies who have that disclaimer used to see black guys until they got..............
A. stiffed and not the way we like.
B. He thought he was so good she should see him for free and became a nuisance.
C. He didn't realize it was by the hour and tried to drop by unannounced later.
D. He tried to turn her on to his boys.
E. My personal favorite, tried to pay in counterfeit bills.
F. Sounds stupid on the phone a la "ay yo Ma"
G. Will pay the requested fee, but later try to book her at some ridiculous discount "'cause I thought you had a good time,too and I'm kinda light this week"
H. Or his dick REALLY was so good she wanted to see him for free and went off the clock just to find out he couldn't handle free pussy,lol.

I am an ebony provider who sees men of all races except mexican hispanic (I tried but the all seem to be aggresive hair pullers and biters- and I am the type of chick who will slap youbut I don't expect you to like it and bite me harder) and these have all happened to me. However, I now have a YMMV policy,lol.I hope this gives some insight and while it won't make it any more fair or less hurtful, at least you know. Take care,ya'll!

whenever I get to MN or you come to Cleveland.  Or we meet on one of my trips.

But honestly, how many Brothers are in MN?  You have to expect that most if not all of your clients will be white.

Yes, maybe there are some ladies who simply do not want to see black men because they are scared of them. Likewise, there are those who will not see black men for [insert their PERSONAL unique reason here]. Please do not generalize. Generalizing is soooo 1980s!

So, if I decide I do not want to see clinically obese men (not to be mistaken with overweight, as I like some meat on a man's bones), am I doing it because of some un-PC reason? No! I am doing so, because I am not attracted, while the next woman may not see obese men because she is afraid of them or [insert their PERSONAL unique reason here]. I do not know why some ladies do not see black men (or obese men/young men/older men/etc/etc/etc) and could care less, but you should not generalize about why some white women (I am assuming this is who you all have your panties in a wad about) do not want to see you.

No p*ssy is that important to even be having this conversation. We are ALL judged. Be grateful that your being judged only hinders your p*ssy play and not your income.

Generalizing is simply silly.

Thank you and good night!

SHE will not she AA men or hispanics for ONE simple reason...IN HER WORDS......

They are too much work, they do NOT want to talk or get to know you.  They just want to get naked and fuck from the minute they walk in the door until they leave.  When they do talk to me, it is only to try to get something extra free, or go bareback! I had to count the money in front of them because of how many would short me when I was cool about the envelope!  I decided it was too much of a problem to see them anymore, and put it in my web site that I won't see them.

Now she is Black as I said.  She doesn't fear them, she got tired of putting up with them.  Probably she is stereotyping, as I know many whites, and asians do the same thing.

I knew this conversation with her would be handy someday.  Because I wondered why a black lady would not see black men...made no sense.  She has gotten hate mail from some of the black guys calling her racist.  Maybe she is...but in her mind, her choice is justified!

In telling me that I shouldn't "generalize," you assumed that I was speaking about *white* providers who won't see *me.*  Quite ironic.  

Beyond that, the clinically obese comparison is absolutely silly.  Since when is race and obesity even remotely similar???

The fact of the matter is that there's a stigma about black men in this country, and it spills over into the hobby just like it does every aspect of other aspect of American life.  That stigma is rooted in racism, plain and simple.  If you want to pretend that it's simply a matter of preference just to make your "we are the world" point, fine...but only a naive, feeble-minded individual actually believes that numerous black men encounter this issue simply because escorts aren't physically attracted darker-skinned gentlemen.  It may not be a comfortable reality for you to accept (or maybe it is and you're just one of the many giving that bullshit PC answer), but I'm right.  How many morbidly obese men you turn down for an appointment has nothing to do with this at all.

It does offer some insight into the ignorance that runs rampant in some circles.  I've heard those "reasons" espoused in similar forums before , and they typically come from your bottom-of-the-barrel variety provider who for some reason expects to attract cream of the crop clientele.  Of course a classless provider is going to attract troublemakers.

They are too much work?
They do not want to get to know me?
They just want to fuck me from the get?
They do not talk much?
They try to go bareback?
They short the envelop?

Wow, in the last year I had all these same experiences with white and Asian men until I decided to figure out how to attract more respectful men regardless of their race. Now I see RESPECTFUL white and Asian men. Perhaps she should figure out how to advertise to attract better quality men in general instead of generalizing. How sad for her.

I would understand if she simply was not attracted to the facial features of some men or whatever, but really...the aforementioned has nothing to do with race. It simply has to do with attracting poor clientele. If she works a little harder, she might be able to attract more respectful clients of all races.

Come on ladies. Let's put a little effort forth and stop blaming getting stiffed on a particular race. If that was the case, I would blame all white and Asian men for the few white and Asian men who have tried to pull one over me and pretend if they just forgot my rates or act as if the condom was a irritate, etc.

Luckily, I actually put some real work into meeting respectful men from all walks of our race rainbow. Your friend should do the same.

You may not want to repeat her stereotypes in the future as they are tasteless.

By the way, have you noticed who some of the men are on this particular board who talk about going bareback all the time? Open your eyes!

Still hoping everyone hobbys happily!!!

Xoxo,
Gia

It has nothing to do about "we are the world". It simply has to do with finding another vagina to frequent. Really, who cares why so and so will not see you because you are black. Racism or simply preference, who cares? Get over it! Maybe some of us are no longer interested in this topic. We all have our issues and have to deal with them. I may lose out on money because of certain features, but who really cares. I am not going to post it on the board monthly. Get over it! Find another vagina and keep it moving!

And I mentioned white because almost every time this topic is mentioned, the gentlemen refer to those particular women as their concern for not wanting to see them. Trust me. I have been reading these posts for a year now on this board. You? Well, I think you are clearly new.

Further, this has nothing to do with "we are the world". My example is comparable to your original post. There are other people that may not be brown-skinned who deal with prejudice. Obese people deal with this on a daily. For some reason, TER even allows daily posts ripping on them. I have my degree in psychology so do NOT try to challenge me on this...studies show that those who are considered attractive (race or whatever) have a much better chance of getting a job and are generally considered more acceptable thus positively influencing their daily lives. What does this have to do with anything? People are discriminated against based on their looks even if they are not black! Who would have thought!!! Those who are considered unattractive (e.g,, obese, etc) are more likely than perceived attractive people to deal with discrimination when applying for a job, etc…or perhaps even trying to get laid like the OP!!! They are not immune from experiencing discrimination in the hobby. Duh!

GBLTQ people are discriminated against, as are women, obese people and others. I can and will use any example I see fit as it is comparable.

Pick up a college level sociology book and then talk to me. Further, if you have anything else to say to me or questions on what is the best sociology book to read, send me a PM.

I used to be just as narrow minded.

Xoxo,
Gia

OK, your argument has morphed and I'm not sure how to retort at this point.  First it was "you're wrong" and now it's "who cares?"  If you weren't interested this thread, you wouldn't have replied to or even read my post in the first place.  I can understand how it's more convenient to claim to be uninterested in a topic once you've made an invalid, ludicrous observation about it, thoguh.  Maybe I'll try that next time I'm wrong about something too.    

The OP aired his frustration about something that's tied to the larger issue of racism in this country.  Perhaps if you had gotten your degree in Psychology from an accredited institution and had managed to stay awake in that one sociology class you took, you would have learned that this type of discrimination is quite consistent with the racism black people encounter outside of the hobby...and it's quite distinct from discrimination against other groups in it's underlying cause and effect.  The OP was frustrated about it and it's a valid grievance; one consistently echoed by black men on this forum.  It's ridiculous to dismiss it as a simple matter of physical attraction as you did, or as consistent with other types of discrimination.  Passing over the ad of a provider because of physical preference is one thing...but being turned down by a provider who normally avails herself to clients of varying physical characteristics because you happen to be black is quite another.  Let's not pretend the two are even remotely related.  I'm sorry, but you have no argument here - as inconsistent as it is.  

Keep this in mind as well.  One who touts a bachelor degree in midst of a debate, is generally a hack - and lacks the insight needed to effectively observe the topic in contention.  Those things come a dime a dozen these days.  It's akin to saying that you're automatically an expert on race car driving because you have a driver's license.  Besides, if you have to explicitly mention your knowledge in a certain area of study in order to win a argument, then you probably haven't effectively presented yourself as an authority on the issue anyway.

I think I'll pass on book recommendations from you because you really don't come across as a very well-read individual.  You could stand to benefit from mine, though.  Let me know and I'll e-mail you a list.

just face the facts.  most asians especially east asians, those from areas where theres chinese, japanese, koreans,  etc do not like blacks because black people are seen as an inferior race.  money may be green but these girls and their handlers do have standards to up keep.  so in short you should stick to those of your own racial background.

I agree. Personally I couldn't care less what race my clients are. If they're clean, respectful and punctual and we have no problems with the donation then I'm happy to see them. If other ladies don't want to see certain types of gentlemen, that's up to them. However, I don't feel the guys have a responsibility to inform us of their race.

I mean, how are the gentlemen supposed to know what they should disclose to us? Should they send us a three-page biography detailing their weight, height, shoe size and the length of their nose as well? Only the lady in question knows what her preferences are. If there are deal-breakers, it would save everyone a lot of time and embarrassment if the girl stated them upfront.

For providers worried about hate mail, a pretty easy alternative would be to create a contact form in which the gentlemen fills out details like race, height etc. If a guy you don't want to see contacts you, you could then respond with a polite email telling him you don't think the two of you would be a good match. There is just no excuse for waiting until he arrives to turn him away because of his race. Our clients have busy lives just like we do and you could both have scheduled the time with someone else.

Understand that many ladies in this business are not the most educated or wordly. (and often not the most intelligent)  For the uninitiated, many buy into the myth of the black male being superior in size and performance.  Some women just think you are going to work them to death and tear it up.  ie- the scene in stanley kubric's : Full Metal Jacket.

When someone says "do you see 'insert an ethnicity here' men?"  My standard response is "are you a nice *insert race here* man?"

I understand your frustration .. but I also see some ladies ads that exclude anyone under a certain age(?)  As long as they are legal age and pass my verification process, Its all green to me.. ha ha  that is a bad joke... more honestly, personality to the majority of us is the deciding factor.

try not to take it too personally.

I provide in several major cities with huge populations of black men.

My clientele is largely white, Asian & Latin.

I can count on two hands how many black men I've EVER met in this business whereas my non-black girlfriends see them weekly.

I don't understand why it is that black hobbyists get a pass for choosing who they want to sleep with...and providers are just supposed to spread it for whoever has the money.

The close-mindedness and insecurity in this thread is astonishing.

Every human being is a sum total of his/her upbringing and those raised by bigots will end up being bigots at heart and act politically correct outwardly.

I tell you story which I thought was sad and interesting at the same time.

There is town near Atlanta, GA where KKK was pretty active and I was looking to buy condo there because couple of my good friends bought condos nearby. My friends (white) and I were driving around looking for condos and came to stop at an intersection where KKK was collecting funds. There was a boy and girl somewhere between 10-12 years of age standing there with collection buckets. I told my buddies, I want to see whether they will take money from me (I am not white or African American but a brown skinned person) so, I took out $20 bill and held out. The boy holding the bucket came right up to me took it.

I was thinking, what a way to teach kids, two evil at once. Racism and do anything for money.

Bigots at heart will be bigots and no amount of questioning would change. One has to transcend and look beyond and move on which is what I do.

I did not write Niggers.  I wrote N-----.  Just shows that you don't have any damn black friends.

I do disagree that being raised by bigots will automatically make the child a bigot. It may influence the child, but it is not a cut and dried situation.

That would be like saying that if you are raised in a Christian household that you will automatically be a Christian.

I do agree that arguing with a bigot is a complete waste of time.

It really easy for the other race to say accept it.  I am sure when blacks were denied seperate schools, made to eat in seperate lunch counters, ride on the back of the bus go to seperate bathrooms and so on they were told to accept it by people who were not racist but it did not effect them so they said it is what it is.

So if you lived with that legacy and humiliation either personally or through your parents or grandparents being turned down because of the color of your skin - regrdless of the BULLSHIT excuses I read on these threads - it going to hurt  

So some might say the hobby is different but other than being illegal, its not.  BY law if you offer a service, you must offer the same service to everyone under the Civil Rights Act of 1964.  So for people who see preference black or white/big or small, give your pussy away, because if the hobby was legal you would be sued and fined by the Civil Rights Commission.  Case it point, when I owned a store and it was robbed by a mexican man, I could not say - no Mexicans can come into the stores

Its not legal so one may simply discriminate but I rather hear the lame ass excuses like some people have posted than being dismissed and said it its what it is

when I asked her that question.  I guess with HER clientele, it happened more often with them.  So you tell me...why are there so many AA providers who will NOT see AA men?  It's not uncommon in many ads, and some websites to see this posted from AA ladies.  I only threw it out as food for thought, and don't really care why they do or don't see certain ethnic types. It's their choice for whatever reason.
FWIW I happen to LOVE AA and latina ladies, and Gia...you are gorgeous. I'm an EOH (equal opportunity hobbyist) LOL

I don't see any other posts mentioning "N-----". I certainly didn't in my original post. But if thats how you normally refer to african americans, thats your choice.

YOU were the person that wrote Niggers.  Which shows EXACTLY who YOU are.  I did not write that term because I am a self respecting Black person.  I don't give a damn if you don't see Black guys.  Just don't hide behind stupid shit like my best friend is Black.  That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucking lame it's pathetic.

You wrote the term Niggers because that is your nature.  If you had any sense you would have notice that I wrote N-----.  But as a true idiot you were dying to say Nigger.  Let me guess you heard it in some rap song right?

You are right to put on your website I only see white guys.  The people who write you nasty emails are just stupid fucks.  There are many providers in most cities so they should just move on.  But take some responsibility and just say I am RACIST and won't see black guys.  I mean really who gives a fuck its your body.  If you can't handle the nasty emails then shame on you.  Stand by YOUR beliefs.

Lol thats fine, but I'm not going to go back and forth over writing "N----", or "Nigger". You still said it in the first place, just because you didn't add the "igger" to the "N".

I'm glad you're proud to be black. As you should be. But just because I have my preferences doesn't make me racist, sweetie. Maybe you should take a break from the board for a while. Unless you don't have anything better to do perhaps?

If the hobby was legal you would be sued, plain and simple.  If you want preference, give your pussy away,  I think its clear that no one cares about your preferences...its your defense of it.  If you are a bigot, own it.  I do not like foreigners in general, because I am xenophobic,I own it.  So because I know that I more patient with people who can't speak english.  Its difficult to grasp language after a certain age, so rather than hiding behind my prejudice and saying "why can't they speak english", I try to be patient nd understanding.  

Although you did not ask for my advice, I would say say this to you, stop trying to make yiurself feel better by saying I know black BUT....because you really don't...PEACE

Do you honestly thing that typing N----- takes away from the fact that everyone knows what you meant ?Sorry but it doesn't..

Does it make you any better than anyone elsea to write it that way ?...NO

That word is used by ignorant people to hurt and degrade and it is NEVER acceptable no matter what  your skin color is or how you sugar coat it.

The one thing that has not, and never will change about topic of racism is that it will

bring the worst out of a person.  That is because the concept itself is born of hate.

I've let both of you have your say, but it ends here unless you want to take it to chat or PM.

Any post after this on on the track will be pulled and the poster moderated.

Red face to get your attention, not for anger.

Most ladies are not like that..

As for the ladies who have a specific group of gentlemen that they prefer to see just remember
the good thing about that for you is that she is telling you upfront that you're not going to be happy with her anyway because she would not be giving you the quality of service you deserve.

I try to believe it is a matter of preference you know like when you're attracted to that hot redhead with the big boobs,and thats the type that makes you sweat just looking at one..or the ebony girl with the hourglass figure that can suck a golfball through a garden hose... you get the idea.

The point is some girls are honest enough to put that out there and save you the time,hassle and humiliation of screening,booking and then ariving and being blown off last minute,preference or prejudice..its up in the air on that.

Focus your attention on the ladies who would love to see you for who you are and you'll always have a great time.

xoxoxoxoxox
Leigh

if you're offering a service you need to offer it to everyone regardless of race.

so when i go into a mexican restaurant, yeah they have to serve me but if they dont like white girls, i might not get the same service "with a smile" that a mexican would.  

i'd rather them put up a sign that said "we dont like white girls" so i know not to eat there because the laws have no effect on racism other than to make people be sneaky about it.

Exactly.  Nothing more annoying that telling an offended person to just "get over it" when you have no idea how fucked up their experience really was.  This is the status quo response whenever black people have a grievance.

I do not need any recommendations from you. I am quite well read and have an extensive library collection with almost any and every sociology topic, as I almost got my degree in it.

I GET it. I understand where you are coming from. However, I feel TER is not the right venue to openly discuss race relations. So, to end the conversation, it is best to take on the approach of who cares. Honestly, if you bother yourself with the racism you already feel in your civie life and then focus on what you feel in the hobby, you will not be a very happy person. Pretend it doesn't exist and keep it moving. Find someone else rather than focus on the issues present.

I GET it and I am well educated. However, I do not need to prove anything to you.

Put on your goggles, chalk it up to preferences and keep it moving! Discussing race relations on TER will never get you anywhere.

Best wishes.

Just like YOU have the choice to see who you want.

The people who say we should not "discriminate" just because we provide a service are idiots.

Yes I mean that too.

This is an intimate job. NOT all girls want to suck a black cock, an asian cock, a latino cock, an indian cock.

What we want to do is up to us. Just like it is our preference to sell our asses.

My suggestion? Read reviews.

I have NEVER discriminated against a single person because of their race and I enjoy men of EVERY ethnicity, or disability if they have one.

However, that does not mean that I don't understand why some girls don't see men of a certain ethnicity or race.

Not all women are attracted to other those of a differing race.

I had a doubles partner who refused to see black men because she JUST wasn't attracted to men of color at all irregardless of how young or cute they were. It just wasn't her thing and she felt she would be ripping them off if she saw them and had to fake it the whole time.

Not seeing a man of a certain race is not always due to the fact that a woman is a bigot, racist, or ignorant. Some just have preferences.


~Rae Monroe

Lover of all races; allergic to stupidity.

There are still people that confuse preferences with racism.
As I was reading through the thread it is clearly evident that people are taking this too personally.
Why is it so hard to say "next" and move on?

Many providers dont see black men because they simply are not attracted. It's not a matter of "racism".

EVERY time, almost w/o exception, I get a call from a black man, he acts like a jerk.
Disrespectful, rude, and entitled.
"I can pick up a phone, so you have to see me.
It doesn't matter if I have references, it doens;t matter if I talk to you like garbage, it doesn;t matter if I am a jerk, you are a ho, so you have to".  That about sums it up.
Sorry...I don;t have to see anyone who calls me talking that way, of any race.
But perhaps if more young black men had more respect for females, we wouldn;t get so turned off.
There are even black providers who won;t see black men.
Who are you to even question why someone doesn't want to see them?  We have free association in this country, last I looked. Providers are supposed to put themselves in a dangerous position just to soothe your demands of fairness?
Not on your fucking life.
Deal with it.

ANd most black men that call aren't "cream of the crop" either, that's why they don;t get seen.
See, that works both ways.

Being able to buy a quart of milk is a tad different from being able to see a woman in the most intimate of ways.
That man is being allowed into her home, and she has a right to not see anyone that makes her feel unsafe. and even if legal, she would still have that right.  Good luck proving it was "racism" even if it was.

Fuck that BS.
Its not about race its about seeing who you want to see and not seeing who you don't want to see.
Its about preferences.
Parsonally I have seen black clients buthave turned down Indian clients. I've seen them and the experiences I have had I have decided I prefer not to see them.  I don't see Obese clients either OR men under 40yrs old. ITS MY CHOICE!!!!
Sounds to me what you want is woman to be forced to see you no matter what.
Thats a fucked up additude.
Its none of your business who I see and why.
Its not about race its about my preferences.
Like I said b4 this is NOT Walmart.
You CAN'T always get what ever you want here.
By the way we have a choice.
Its quite ignorant of anyone to assume we don't.

Get the fuck over it.
That doesn't mean get over racism...get over the fact that even when you pay a woman she has a choice who she sees and she doesn't need a reason.
WTF

I personally don't care what race someone is.  I have preferences of being treated with respect and I don't like idiots.  I won't see anyone who talks as if they didn't go to school-whatever race you may be.  I very rarely will see "young men"- under 35. I meet great guys no matter what race etc.  Guys are picky about us too.  They have their preferences.  I don't have nor want 44EE's lol I take the time and choose individually whom I will or will not see.  Case by case.  Greens my favorite color!  Doesn't mean I will do anything for it.  

---->>>> "For me, opposites really attract.  I adore being intimate with women, and would choose a black, asian, latino, mixed, ect. girl over a white one anyday.

xoxo Sophie"

I guess I have to cross you off my list

I am questioning you dismissing it.  I hear a lot of BS rants from male and female and I NEVER dismissed on flamed anyones rants... and that what you did. I do not care who you see but since a woman make .70 on the dollar to every male and ranted on any forum and me being a man said get over it, it is what it is...I would be called an asshole and deservingly so.  I was not speaking in the specifics but as a  general principal.  Women of all people should understand that!!

the problem here is most likely its not racism. ITS HER CHOICE! For what ever her reason.
Get over the fact that in life noone gets everything they want.
Get over the fact that every time you are told NO its not racism
Get over trying to turn it into racism.

Its choices and preferences.
Noone tells you who to see, we are not going to see anybody and everybody just cuz they dialed Our number and have the correct donation.
Shoot...I have turned down men, for the tone of their voice on the phone. If i don't think for what ever reason I am not going to be attracted to them, its a no go for me.
I don't need any other reason.
I love what I do but I am selective and here its not the same as any other business out there nor should it be.

This business is based on Intimacy it has its own guidelines and they are based on the Ladies views.
So basically GET over the fact that sometimes here you don't get what you want.
Noone said get over racism. I certainly didn't but you seem to only see it as such. So get over that too. Its about choices and preferences, what ever they may be.

PS
Where this is legal no woman is required to see any man. she still has choices you dumb ass. she can always refuse to see a man.
what you are talking about is slavery.

so in that case, it no need to further explain the concept....PEACE

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Anna babe, when your looks go, how on earth do you plan on getting by?  I thought you was hot untill you opened your mouth.  And those of you that say if you don't want to see a person of another colour you are a racist, your just as idiotic.  Some people just always want to feel like they are the victim and boo hoo life is so much harder for them than everybody else. Are you saying I don't know who I'm attracted to?  If this was legal, you could turn anyone done for any reason.  The same way a casino can kick somone out for no reason at all. The same reason when they make a tv show they can turn someone down because of height, weight, race, age, sex, disablity, the way their face looks, what ever reason they want.

Its only a hypothesis but if you offer a service that  may involve intimacy...what about a mauseuse, the legal one - not the happy ending type.  That can be considered somewhat intimate since one is required to touch someone.  Do you think they can say, I do not see blacks and its my choice...I've been to many legal massages, especially on cruise ships and I am sure that they have indiviuals with prejudices but you can't put up the NO BLACKS sign...

So before you call someone a dumbass, I would think it through because your emotional responses only show that you have no true intellect...

Nevada brothels have always allowed their workers to racially discriminate. They cannot force a woman to have sex with someone she doesn't want to. Doing so would be a good way to get their license pulled.

I do know for fact. In the legal brothels out west you are not required to see anyone.

Its NOT about racism.
Its about personal preferences.
Who you choose to spend time with.
An attorney can refuse to take a case for what ever reason.
a Dr can refuse to take new patients.
A waitress can refuse to wait on someone.
This isn't always about the color of your skin...
Just assuming so is very ignorant, Its not always as it appears.
Just because someone doesn't want to see you, doesn't always mean its racism.
Maybe its your additude...

This is an intimate business, woman have choices.
Trying to strong arm that with this "its all racism" crap is out of line.
Why do you not see that woman here have choices.
They may choose to see anyone, they may choose to only see men under 40 or over 40 or no black no white what ever. Its about preferences pure and simple.

Who they choose is a personal thing just as who you choose is.
Its very dismissive of our choices to say suck it up Ive got cash you have to see me.

Just agree to disagree....

I am sure that if some guy sued a Nevada brothel that it vioalted the Civil Rights Act, Nevada law on brothels could be challenged.  But what fool would challenge it and become a laughing stock.  P4P is still not socially acceptable LOL

ok all color oriented refusals of service aside.
Who really cares what her reasons are in the end. She refuses to see you and you want to force her to?
How fucked up do you think that sounds?

How is it that you feel your choices are perfectly fine but hers are not important.

What she wants does not matter.
You are trying to take this into racism but its really not about that.
Its about free will free choices and so on.does not in any way mean you give up your right to choose.

Choosing this profession
Geesh....

Brothel managers always make sure they have some women on the premises that are willing to see all races. Maybe they're covering their asses, but they know it's just good business practice. They don't want cash walking out the door. So they're definitely insulated. The guy would have to sue the individual woman who refuses to fuck him. Good luck with that one.

I have never used the N word and I have seen black clients but honestly I can say in the 4yrs I have been in this biz there have only been 4 clients who are black. 3 are Gentlemen I have seen several times.
You seem to want so much for it to be about color.
Its about personal preferences.
Noone tells you who to see, same here. I see who I want to see and its that simple.

Ah, and who more perfectly to illustrate my point than a provider who charges a measly $50 for what has to be an absolutely miserable encounter to any human being with standards.  I would expect anyone who can't afford better to be angry, bitter, and difficult when calling.  I'd probably give you a hard time too if I found myself in the despondent position of requesting *your* services.

This is a topic about what a hobbyist encounters when attempting to contact certain providers.  If this isn't the proper forum for discussion of this topic, then what is?  Church?  Should he write his senator?  Write to the Provider's Union?  Maybe have a conversation with his significant other?  Ridiculous.  

And what makes you think that we're all so incapable of discussing something of this nature AND being happy?  I don't get the impression that the OP or anyone else who replied to this thread is going to throw themselves from the rooftop of a highrise as a result of this discussion.  Humans multi-task all the time.  One can concevably continue to see providers of his choice WHILE being annoyed by escorts who don't see black men.  Isn't that amazing???  

"Pretend it doesn't exist" is asinine advice.  So much for that Psych training you supposedly received, huh?  If you have nothing to prove to me in terms of your education, then why even mention it in the first place?  

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Just today one called sounding like an idiot on the phone and another texted me to try to negotiate a donation. I saw neither. I did however, see the polite white gentleman who used proper phone etiquette. Displayed the donation at the start of the encounter and made me quite comfy. He got a very pleasurable and spirited meeting with me and prebooked for next week. It just occured to me that with some (not all) black men there is a sense of entitlement(camping) and anger (women are hoes) about this hobby. I believe that many haven't realized the luxury of what this hobby is. perhaps they have not realized yet that this is a service much like going to see your lawyer, doctor or therapist. The donation is the copay or retainer.  And yes, I am black.

Why do men assume that working girls will see every man that walks through the door?

Maybe the lady is not attracted to black men.
I have met women in the business who only prefer black men.
I have met women who refuse to see Asian men.

as a generalization, black and hispanic men seem to be the most appreciative of a 'thick' woman and i've never ever had any of the problems described in this post.  but i dont generally have problem dates at all.  maybe i screen too hard or am such low volume, but in 6 months, i can only remember one bad experience and that one skooled me.  i took the reference of a provider only and didnt follow thru by checking providerbuzz etc.  the bad client was listed there 4 times.  so i count that as my own foolishness.,  

darn, just the mention of race really starts a shit storm on this board.  

frankly, i'm glad some of the providers choose to discriminate on the basis of race.  just more cheddar layin around for me to pick up.  

I DO however discrimate on the basis of manners.  being disrespectful to me dont have no color and i will kick you to the curb faster than an ice cream cone melts in el paso on the 4th of july if you show me any.  and that goes no matter how many franklins you are holding out.

im kind of amazed at how much interaction it has drawn, considering for every gal that doesnt wanna see a fellow for WHATEVER reason, there are at least 10 who will.  My advice, dont take anything too seriously in the hobby, its supposed to be a no drama zone.  'worry' is way too strong of an emotion for this game in my humble opinion.  

If you have good references, show good manners, and otherwise pass my screening, i'd be delighted to visit with you when I tour LA or Vegas later in august

but now wait, are u gonna discriminate against me because of my age or weight?   with no consideration of my personality?  LOL, sorry had to give you something to think about.  *wink*

I know it's easier to attack me than to realize that all black men are not top tier and deserve the rep they get in some aspects, isnt it?
It's easier to scream "racism!" than look at yourself and what YOU could be doing that providers wont see you.
and If a hot provider was charging $50 that met your standards, you wouldn;t pay it?
LMAO  My ass.
Get off the high horse, BOY.

Someone gets it...
Often we wont see black men because of how they ACT not just bc they are black. and if a provider doesn;t want to see someone just because they are black, why would a man WANT to be with her anyway?

....bad job of marketing &  not the first time either.

"For me, opposites really attract.  I adore being intimate with women, and would choose a black, asian, latino, mixed, ect. girl over a white one anyday."

Ummm, aren't you trying to drum up business from guys on this provider review board? I don't know alot of ladies who pay. That might be too much info you give on a public board. It's sexy for a "Provider" to be bi, not lez! Enough about your 'girl friends' & girl SO, & stick to talking about cock on the board if you want to make $ & don't have to keep moving.

Use your 'head', in more ways than one.

Gia I used to travel to Minnesota and wished I still did!  You are on my very short list of providers to see if I should have the luck to return to Minnesota in the near future.  

I do applaud you for being into those that really want to see you...those that don't...screw em (or really...don't screw em!)

That's analogous to saying that if I saw a DB9 advertised for $10,000 that I'd go buy it.  I'd just wonder what was wrong with it and move on to the next ad; just as I would with some cut-rate $50 girl.  It's very unlikely that someone who charges such a paltry sum of money would be "hot" or up to my standards.  More than likely, she's a overweight, haggard, troll whose clientele consists of two truck drivers a month at the most.

You're very entertaining, I'll give you that.  I'd be bitter too if I were such a miserable failure.  Clearly one of society's disposables.

I understand completely how some people could come to that conclusion.  However, I personally feel it's too wide of a generalization to claim that,

"every human being is a sum total of his/her upbringing."

Please take in to consideration that even if a person is raised in a certain situation, as they mature and become adults, their exposure to variable elements (media, education, social events, etc.)can open their eyes and turn them off to the dysfunctional behavior they observed in their upbringing.  Especially once they realize that there's a whole other world out there with people who made different choices, and those people seem to be happier, healthier and sometimes, even wealthier.  For many people, the possibility of a less stressful adulthood is enough to motivate a person to be the best they can be.  Taking on the personal responsibility to break a chain of dysfunctional behavior does happen.  

This is not always the case, of course, but I'm just bringing up the point that it does happen.

One of the things I remember being taught was that use of the words, "every, always, & never" on a test are questions to carefully examine, b/c they can often be contested with the argument that there is an exception to every rule.  So, it was probably your use of the word "every" that lit a fire under me.  I'm sure you did not have that in mind or thought such a statement could cause such a reaction.  I'm a little surprised myself, actually, in my heartfelt response.  Thanks for stirring me up...I needed a little push today

This is what I do. It helps me establish some working relationships.

1. Book for more than an hour (whether or not you will use it) to create a better monetary incentive for choosing you over other clients---at least for the first time.
2. Be prompt and clear with screening info.
3. Show up on time.
4. Be extra clean and well groomed.
5. Leave a tip.

Observing relationships among people I know in the civilian realm, I find that men are far more egalitarian when it comes to choosing dance partners. Therefore, I don't hold it against a provider for her reservations, it just seems like a woman's natural tendency to choose her own kind. Items #1 through #5 (I'm guessing #1 and #5 mostly) help change their mind.

Can't argue with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Anabangbang does have a point on the level of service and the attitude that goes with it.

And sure, the guys can write a scathing review (that's one of the reasons I won't accept them) in retaliation.

If I were to live by that law and I had to see guys I was not comfortable with, I would institute certain safety measures to ensure my comfort and well...safety. The minute they crossed a line, my security would step in and take over. If they have no problem with someone hanging around ready to walk on in, then by all means come on over. But how comfortable would that be?

What you gentleman have to understand is that if we were all to abide by this law, and we were in a room ALONE with someone we were not comfortable with and refused certain things or plainly asked  the guy to leave due to attitude etc. , we have placed ourselves in potential danger. I don't want to be alone with a pissed off client. A client I would have bypassed seeing and saved us both the aggravation if I had not be "forced"(hypothetically speaking at this time) to see him because of the law.

We "woman up" plenty of times with guys in general and deliver good service. Why make it even harder with someone we are already nervous about or find so uncomfortable to be with?

Didn't you know that those who pay have ALL the rights to discriminate and belittle and those that provide the service, have no rights?

Wow I didn't know this was such a problem.  I suppose it's because I live in Los Angeles which has someone from just about every race in the population, but I've never had a problem with a provider rejecting me based on race.  I am of Mexican descent, and I NEVER see providers of my race.  As a matter of fact, I'm basically racist in the opposite direction.  I only see Asian providers.  I suppose it is mostly because I love Asian women but it is difficult for me to get them outside of the hobby; I suspect mostly because of the reasons you mentioned (East Asian women generally being more racist than anyone else).  I just wouldn't ever see a provider that is like someone I could easily pick up outside the hobby.

Asian providers around here do ask about race, and I have gotten a few raised eyebrows, but I've never been flat out rejected.  Once a booker sort of gasped at me over the phone when I said I was Mexican, but then she asked if I had seen an Asian provider before and left it at that.  Also sometimes providers will ask me for the money up front (because all Mexicans are so poor), but I just go with it.  I get the feeling that some don't enjoy being with me, maybe because of my race or maybe they are just like that.  But I have a fobby Korean provider who I see regularly who is very friendly with me, and I don't feel like she has any problem with my race at all.  

It's just a matter of finding the ones who aren't racists.  It is harder for minorities to get the attention of women who are white or a "model" minority (like Asian) in all aspects of life, you just have to deal with it.

Wow The Whole forum was a good read gives everyone something to think about. I think its just positive that we are discussing it no matter where the discusion leads.