Plenty of threads about the steady increase in prices over the last few years. Which begs the question: how and where to find a provider at a "good value" price point these days?

I will start with the obvious, value is going to be different depending on what each individual wants, cares about. IMO, if you are okay with finding one lady that meets your needs, you have a better shot at finding a good one at a lower price point. For someone like myself, who likes variety and doesn't often repeat, I need to work with a range.

If you are going with an agency or a brothel set up the providers there have no say in the rate that is being charged or the percent of the cut they receive. Cost wise they are probably going to be the lowest, but with that being said the actual service you receive may also be reflected by the lower amount you are paying. You have several "categories" listed, but really there are only two: independent or not. The "not" group is primarily determined by the proficiency of the provider's English and knowledge of the US. And no, this does not mean they are being trafficked, it just means they do not have the knowledge of our language, customs, laws, or $$ to successfully work independently. There are of course new providers that enter the industry that are US citizens but just feel more comfortable working for an agency or brothel until they understand enough to go independent. There are also providers that would rather not be independent for whatever reason and work for an agency or brothel. The cost of independent providers is also going to vary according to their individual situation. If the provider does not have a permanent incall and has to a rent a room this is going to be reflected in the cost. If the provider has another job or if this is her only job is also going to be reflected in the rate. I guess it is going to circle back to you as to what is really important to you in a provider and the variables that you do not care about to better answer your question.

a lot of things.   It's a good thing you're a monkey and not a cat.  

Out of one side of your mouth you question what another poster said about indies rep'd by agencies but out of the other side you try and finish with talking about providers that "double dip"??

I've only used the service three times over the last few years because of a few good regulars that I like to keep happy with frequent visits. But if you look at TER reviews in my area its all about K Girls. I might be lucky because we have a two company's in the area and they both provided a great service a very reasonable price. You can go through a lot of independents to find service like these K Girls provide. Food for thought.      

I didn't ask you dipshit. I'll explain it real easy to you. You're a miserable asshole and that's why you act like this.

Sensual massage providers have a lower point of entry so initial cost of toftt is lower.
I've had good fortune in exploring a wider menu after the first visit, with prices well below providers who operate a one size fits all FS business model.

Not following that one but I think I know what he means....And I don't think its a agency girl "freelancing" on the side.

...When I see someone post something stupid, I simply can't resist pointing it out.  Double dip, lol.  What a dumbass you are, haha!  I'll make this easier for you, if you don't want folks slapping you around, don't throw rocks.  See you soon!

This really is a mess to go through.

When you see someone post something stupid? Buddy every one of your posts are fucking stupid.

and didn't connect the dots, so let's review what I said together.  The key sentence was this . . . .

Great question  value is definitely subjective, but it's still possible to find amazing girls at reasonable rates if you know where to look.

Thank you clarifying. This sounds like the situation I described in my initial question. These are girls that both work independently AND for an agency. You're saying if you book these girls through an agency they are likely to put in less effort since they get paid less than their independent bookings. This makes sense and is an issue with all agency providers. However, back to my original thesis. If you book someone through an agency you are not booking an independent provider regardless. You are still booking an agency provider even if they do independent work as well.
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This is an arrangement that seems to be common with porn stars. Many of them have their own ads up while also listing themselves with multiple agencies (typically the ones that specialize in porn stars).  
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I've had a few cases when an agency girl has tried to convert me into an independent customer. This sometimes happens when I visit providers in brothels or when I've dipped into strip club champaign room shenanigans. The providers will offer me their number to do meets outside. I don't always take them up on it. When I have it usually works out pretty well for the both of us.

could be the result of less effort because she is accepting less than her usual rate, but it is just a common for them to charge more through the agency (in order to cover the agency fee) than they would if they are booking someone on their own.  If the agency adds their fee to the girl's normal rate, she doesn't take a hit and will usually deliver the same service.  You are just paying more for it.  Either way, some of the value to the customer is lost by going through the agency.  

great business model! when do you open up in the US, preferably DC? Just nothing like that that I have come across. Closest are agencies that specialize in touring girls which defeats the point.  
Even if good value once, hard to develop a long term connection.

IDK, I've spanked quite a few over the years^^!
Just not rough enough to qualify as beating, IMO^^!

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Gotta find what works for you.  

In a lot of your posts you tend to insult other posters by calling them dumb or questioning their intelligence. This is rich, because your posts are barely comprehensible and hard to follow. Your poor written communication skills suggest you aren't that smart. Your quickness to insult others intelligence also suggests you are insecure about your own intelligence. You can sense you are dumb but can't admit it. That's why you are taking this one thing and keep harping on it. It is all you have and it is your opportunity to prove how "smart" you are and make yourself feel better. The funny thing is, you aren't even right. Look up double-dip in the dictionary buddy.  
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"double-dip - verb:  to obtain money from two sources at the same time or by two separate accounting methods"
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You keep sitting here trying to make me look dumb but you're so stupid you don't realize how retarded you look. You try to make other people look bad but you end up just making yourself look worse. You did it with a provider when arguing about dogs. A few days ago you said 363636Jensen was not that smart when he questioned some of your incomprehensible ramblings. You're trying to do it here too. You're the one who lacks intelligence. That is why your posts are all over the place. Its not that everyone else is dumb, you're just not a very good writer.

on the semen a little your "taste" would return to normal?  

Jensens reply was retarded, so yes I questioned his intelligence.  Now that you've looked up double dipping, please explain how a hooker can double dip in your mind.  As posted, unless she's earning from a secondary source while on her back at the primary job.  Time to put the shovel down.

I do agree with your definition of double dipping and working for an agency and doing independent gigs is more like two jobs. But there is a way, and I have seen it, for a hooker to double dip. Back in the day, street hookers who had pimps take their money did this all of the time. Pimps were notorious for taking a large chunk of the money. So, hookers would do things out of sight to get some cash. For example, you pay for a blow job, and she says if you float her $50 she will let you finger her while she blows you but you have to do it discretly so her pimp doesn't see.

Fair assessment.  At that price point, they are usually porn stars.  Multi hour.  Lots of great sex with no limits.  I get to choreograph everything I want in advance.  I don't do it often, most PS escorts are not worth the price point.

that you "have gladly taken advantage of the arrangement a few times."  Me, too.   Not too many mongers would say, "this is theft, so I'm going to drive over to the agency and give them their share."   Lol

you let the pimps watch you have sex?  Maybe nobody explained this to you but you're doing it wrong.  Maybe I'm doing it wrong but nobody is standing in the door watching me, that's for sure, lol.  

I'm wondering if he brings peanut butter to all of his sessions or just when he knows the hookers has a dog?

First off, I never said he was in the room watching me. But back in the day in NYC, you were not always allowed to just pick up a hooker off the street and take her home or to a hotel. Street hookers are what we call the low end. They would do you in a car. And there was no fucking way you were out of the pimps sight. Shit was different back then. So yeah, I did pay for a blowie and yes the pimp kept his eye on my car. He wasn’t up close and didn’t see the action. So it wasn’t too hard to get away with the $50 to finger her.

Maybe if you werent old as fuck and a square, you wouldnt think you were such a player for paying for women.

When you work for the government, you recieve full pension at 20 years.  When you spend 20 years in the service, then move to a civil gov job, you can work for another 20 years and recieve a second FULL pension.  

A hooker hiding money from her pimp is not double dipping, it's skimming.  I'm not saying she's wrong from taking what the pimp feels is his but your example is stupid and non applicable.  Just as stupid as you for sitting in your car getting a bj while the pimp is watching.  

I'm glad you stay away from Kgirls!

I can see you’re not familiar with NYC in the 80s before Giuliani cleaned it up. Even if a cop walked by, he wouldn’t do anything. It was like jay walking in NYC. Law says no. Cops didn’t care. So people didn’t care. I was also able to smoke a joint in public. And since you seem not young enough to know, marijuana was definitely a crime everywhere in the US in the 80s and the average place didn’t have cops not giving a fuck about it. So you say it’s stupid because you don’t know any better. But back then in NYC it was normal. And I had two choices. Get a blowie from a street hooker or not at all.

There were tons of street girls south of the Javits Center. Give them a wave from your car and they'd jump right in and do a covered BJ for $20. In my case she put the rubber on with her mouth. That said, I never saw a pimp. It was night time and the street seemed deserted. Which doesn't mean he wasn't lurking in the shadows.
Now cue up the troll.

" I was also able to smoke a joint in public. And since you seem not young enough to know, marijuana was definitely a crime everywhere in the US in the 80s and the average place didn’t have cops not giving a fuck about it. So you say it’s stupid because you don’t know any better. But back then in NYC it was normal. And I had two choices. Get a blowie from a street hooker or not at all."     (Word for word what you posted)

I don't know about the 80s, but in the 90s and 00s, the action on the West Side was from just south of Javits up into the 40s and even a bit into the 50s. (There was a big convenient parking lot on the west side of (northbound) 10th in the low 50s.)  
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(And for the nitpickers: Javits was under construction from '79 - '86 and didn't open until '86. But it's a convenient CURRENT (2025) geographical marker of the location even BEFORE it was actually there. If someone said, "Near the railroad yards," most youngsters would ask, "RR yards? What RR yards? There are no RR yards.")
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I would notice many girls walking around alone but just a few with a guy nearby. Two memories: (1) a BEAUTIFUL Asian girl with an Asian guy always nearby. I think I drove around the blocks 40 times trying to pull over or get her attention but she was always walking against the traffic which does not work: I see you, I pull over PAST you, but you are walking the wrong way and do not turn back to see who stopped!  (The West 30s - 50s are one-way streets.) (2) I stopped at a corner (red light) and a BEAUTIFUL petite reached in to massage some encouragement out of me, which she did. I could see her face up close. BEAUTIFUL! She was climbing into my open window, half-way in, feet off the ground, ... I'm getting honked and she jumped out and I drove around and around to find her again, which I did, this time on the passenger side. "Get in. Get in." but more honking and she was off again.

Well, color me wrong, you're an old man. Even older than me by a good amount. Here I was thinking it was a lack of maturity and experience, and it's more so that you're a curmudgeon and may be sufferring from early dementia symptoms. I too may be angry at the world, stubborn and forgetful when I hit 80. My apologies, old man.

which was fine as far as it went, I decided to try the cat houses on the Upper East Side and used them for several years until fucking Giuliani came in and shut them down. What a waste of good pussy. I had four of them from 34th to around 48th and used them like a Smorgasbord.

rejecting my sound advice about rescuing your taste buds, so chug away on the splooge my friend.  To each his own.  Cheers.

At 5-9 and 125, no shit you were not attracting the ladies.  You can get women at 5-9 and 125, but not past the 8th grade.  The college girls were across town fucking me.  Those were great years.  

but not really snafu, I make no excuses for him, I do find the immaturity does manage to keep me young even though I do qualify as old. I figure as soon as I start acting old, I'll start feeling old and then I suppose I'll start thinking about dying or something silly like that.

...., went to high school, college and got married in the 80s and follow that up by stating I'm approaching retirement age.  You digest that and come to the conclusion I'm in my 80's and then question MY reading comprehension, lol.  We're likely a year or two apart if anything in your stories is accurate at all.

At least the women he pays are actually women.

Its your story, you tell it anyway you want. I highly doubt you have picked up a decent looking "civvie" (lol) in well over a decade or more. You have thousands of posts, many of which are you making self congratulating claims, which usually signifies insecurity at a very high level.  

Why would mine or his preferences detract from any validity?  

TBH  you rant so much and kept saying 80s, I thought you were talking about your age. I prefer not to have to read your garble twice. So take away that one detail. The rest still applies. You come on here and act like a grumpy disgruntled man who hates everything. It sounds like life isn’t good to you. Why else would you be pissed at almost everyone in here?  

No insecurities dude but when you molest animals, you need to go to jail.  When you talk about wanting to include animals in your future sessions with hookers, you should be booted from the board.

Your posts here scream insecure.  

I may come through and anally raw dog all of your faves in the next upcoming weeks.  

We all have our lines, and they don’t all match up. So it’s not hard to cross someone else’s line. I like to think my line is about as reasonable as one can get. Of course others might disagree. Any grown person, man, woman, trans, whatever, who’s got a normal functioning brain, I really don’t care what you enjoy. I’m not going to judge grown people making their own decisions.

His aggressive behavior here over the past few weeks has been extreme and now he wants to play board cop over what was clearly a facetious post. Girls who read his posting history may well be leery of booking with him.

You forgot to post under your non anon screename

....continue to twist yourself in a knot  with hooker stories and double dipping.  You finally admit that you were full of shit so I'll take the win and wait for the next stupid thing you do and I'll be right there calling you out.  Try not being a dumbass for a bit, I bet it will go easier for you, lol.

So now it was just a joke?  The time for that defense has already passed, you've double downed on it since with adding a third post.  

For what, you're being banned from the platform or something?

I find skilled kgirls provide the best value on a regular basis. I have a short list of regular repeats to keep busy. I have one booker who has been very successful in signing up aspiring porn starlets over time. When one shows up I usually schedule her weekly until she disappears a short time later. The booker also finds some cute diamond in the rough girls that I see regularly until they vanish. Next I search for indies and agency girls that excel in my price range, and I have a list of those for less frequent visits. Finally, I look for massage girls that offer full service at reasonable rates. I had one hot Eastern European girl I saw regularly for several years, and I’m not sure I ever had a massage from her. The first time I saw her, I knew I wanted FS, so I asked about the price and we headed straight to the bed! Too bad she got married a few years later!

If you genuinely took my comment as a reference for me raping a hooker, you may have some issues.  

just make sure you tell the booker and Kgirls up front that you give and take with TS providers and if they let you in, that's their call.

You were happy to share your "pet" story but you didn't realize you said the quiet part out loud.  You followed up by doubling down on it and then again by stating you'd pay more for a provider that could include an animal in a session.  You had 3 chances to use the "just kidding" part but didn't.  

Im already booked on my next day off.

Oh good, you got the right screen name this time. No need to hide.  

Thanks for addressing the original intent of my post!  

This is comedy gold. I guess you missed the thread above where he and I argue and call each other insulting names. I’m guessing the one thing that snafu and I could probably agree on is that your fascination with animal sex is utterly disgusting and criminal. So because we agree, you think we’re the same person? Pay closer attention. And if animal stuff was a joke, you’re sick for making it. It’s not funny.

You guys can be the same person or not, maybe you argue back and forth with yourself, im not sure and i dont care.  

I'd agree with him that that's about all we'd agree on for a while...that you're a sick fuck.  Letting a dog continue to sexually pleasure you after you "find out" it's a dog is fucking twisted on every level.  To continue to double down on it and then speculate that you'd reward a provider with extra gratuity if she/he allowed you to sexually abuse his/her animal is beyond disgusting.  This IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR.  There is no level of acceptability for this.

Well the simple solution to the claim made will be the Admin's changing all the post of one or the other as posting in the same thread with both the TER handle and an alias is something they don't like. Particularly, I suspect, if you were to start arguing with yourself (I suppose to establish a difference or to keep some stupid troll thread going).

Wow.

You liked your own post.  

guarantee you will get anal with any provider!
Especially if they don't have it on their menu, but as always YEMV, but you don't come off as a charmer!

you're off everyday!

I don't know how long Heshits has been a member but I've been a member of TER for a couple decades.  I was literally the first guy to create a post on the Minnesota board when the "new" version came out in 2002.  

Are you telling us you have done something intimate with a horse, or was it just the dog?  

people's sexual escapades here, so stop thinking you are special.   As far as how well I still do with civvie girls, look at it this way; you've probably never been to the moon, but that doesn't mean no one else has, so go ahead and deny my statements all you want, and I'll keep laughing my ass off at you while I'm doing them, just like an astronaut would laugh at you if you said he had never gone to the moon.  Just because YOU can't comprehend it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The one I spent today with was DDG. There's nothing you can say to change that.  Flail away.  

As one of the guilty for veering off course, I owe you my .02 from my experiences in mongering.  There is no value in the Minneapolis market.  There are some awesome gals but they command a big price and they're getting it.  Locally, I've found some refuge in the cuddler segment.  It's hit or miss but the risk is pretty cheap at around $100/hr to find out if they cuddle or screw your brains out.  Feel free to pm me for further details.

that you have no regrets about receiving sexual pleasure from a dog, which I'm sure is illegal in some states, but so is seeing prostitutes.   I'm curious about one thing:  When you see TS providers, you lick their asses and they lick yours.  Did you also reciprocate with the dog?  Sorry, board, had to ask.  Lol

that proves the old adage that you should quit while you're behind.  As my friend says, sometimes you just have to take the "L"(oss) and move on.  You're throwing it all against the wall and none of it is going to stick.  We will all remember his articulate post, and that all you could do was fling poo.  

Good list!!  Thanks for contributing in the spirit if my intent.