I read a bunch of reviews everyday, and seems like a lot of you are saying "she had an orgasm" or "she came".  I'm sure we guys would love to think that we can make a woman come.  I think the providers know that, and they pretend just to boost our egos.  How do you really know if she has an orgasm?  Well, i think if her juices are really flowing, and you've been at it for 15+ minutes, then the orgasm might be real. Otherwise I think they are all fake. Many of these girls are Kegel experts, so they can fake the contractions inside.  I don't buy the "I did her and she had an "O" right away" crap. I mean C'Mon folks....do you really think she's having an "O"?

Just like boob jobs...who cares, it is all about the illusion!!

Are we really here, or is it just The Matrix?

It may not make a difference to the gentlemen you quoted, or they may know something you don't, as they were there and you weren't.  There are some women who climax easily, and many who don't.  I know this from the types of girlfriends I have had.

If it is important to you for YOUR experience, tell the woman not to fake with you.  I have been with several who didn't come.  Of course, some may fake anyway, but I think if you are good to them and with a down to earth woman, they will respect your wish and be honest.

But you never know...

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!

I have just a thing or two to say about this. As a couple of the other posters said, it is about fantasy.
As a general rule I do not fake with clients. If I pick up on the fact that it's important for them to give me an orgasm, and I'm not feeling it, then I will fake. No skin off my back, and it makes them feel good. The hour is for them and most women do what they can to make sure the client is having a good/memorable time.
It's important to realize something though. I like sex. I get off on it. I'm in my early 30's now and having orgasms for me is easier than it has ever been. I think it's important not to put too much importance on it though.
As some of the men have said, does it really matter? If it's important to you that your provider not fake with you, tell her this up front and this should solve any problems you are having with the issue.
As for everyone else, why burst their bubble?

whether they climaxed. Squirting and gushing are difficult to fake!

REAL MEN DON'T CARE!

please, why even start a thread on this silly, silly topic? comedians have been making fun of this issue since lenny bruce, over 40 years ago. ("to" is a preposition, "come" is a verb.... i think he might have done some jail time for that one

if you are intimate with a woman, starting a new relationship or involved with someone you love, then you ought to care about whether or not you are pleasing her.

if you have paid a woman to please you, then you ought to worry about whether or not you are getting what YOU want. that's ALL. if she puts on a nice wild sound and light show for you, you should pound your chest and say "tarzan fuck GOOD" and go home happy. but if you are going to brag about your prowess in your TER reviews -

you're an idiot. save it for penthouse forum.

Once, while in Vegas, I went to several strip clubs and asked the girls about their 0's.

In this unscientific (but fun) study, about 25% told me they could come very easily, about 50% needed quite a bit of DATY first, and about 25% rarely could come, and often faked it with their boyfriends to please them.

Since strippers tend to be a younger group, I think the results would be better as they matured and got older. Speaking for myself, once I hit 30, I became very multi-orgasmic--and it's been uphill since then.  

I think the main clue that a woman has achieved her O is that she gets very wet afterwards. So, a lot of moans but a pussy dry as the Sahara Desert means you have a budding actress in bed with you.

Now readily can O in 10-15 mins given the right stimulation -- doesn't need to be DATY, just petting, physical bodily contact, a nice environment....

Women tend to peak sexually in their 30's -- can't fathom being even more desirous in the next 10 years!!!

And, yes, must confess, there are some days in the month when we are much more readily turned-on than others due to hormonal surges -- usually about a week before 'it' hits I find best.  So, if need be, and we see that the client is doing his earnest best trying to achieve that, then, sure we might occasionally 'fake it', even if we are quite close -- sometimes it just doesn't happen.

Even when I self-pleasure -- for the life of me, once in a while cannot come -- other times can and do so 3-4-5 times in a row!!  Has nothing to do with the client!!!!  And by relieving them of the pressure to achieve success, they gratefully enjoy a rest and revel in the extreme satisfaction of their talent..... which is great!!!  And it's always pleasurable w/ or w/o the O!

I much prefer a different effect,wetter and better;and alas keeping with Mother nature, a MONSOON would suit me just fine!
You do have a way with words Chrissy darling, and very multi-orgasmic suits me rather fine indeed.

Tally-Ho!

Do you know the artist of this song?

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her chest turns purple above her collarbones and she passes out for 4 or 5 seconds. Other than that, your guess is as good as mine.

Sorry. Duplicate post done accidently. I really have to stop drinking and trying to post at the same time.

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When she forcibly grabs you by your balls like a vice grip enough so that your eyes bulge outward, wraps her legs around you tight enough to cut off the blood circulation to your lower body and hollers "I'm cuming" at the top of her lungs enough for the people in the next county to hear her, then I usually find that it is a pretty good indicator as would most men in that very same position.

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Because the bed is so darn WET. Yes if the guy knows where the spot is it will only take about 3 seconds for me to let lose. and 2 hours to wash all of my beding....The guys make me feel so good I won't know how to fake it.

That would be a sign of a cardiac arrest to me lol Anyways, as being a black woman, it's hard to tell on me, if my chest is turning purple lol But, if my nipples get hard, legs start quivering, and I look like I am going to faint, there is your sign there, buddy boy

Luv,

Mel

and I was figuring our friend Dracula left the building.


Cheers!

that's beautiful music to my ears,lips,tongue,hands,and can't forget big Jim and the twins.


Cheers Chrissy!

It seems to me how a girl cums during DATY is very individual.
Some get noisy and hump your face hard. Some get very quiet, still, and tense up.  Sometimes it takes 5 minutes of DATY, sometimes it takes 15 minutes.

What I don't like are the girls who pretend to cum already after only two licks.  I'm good, but not that good.  Don't fake it, or if you are planning to fake it, then don't be so obvious.

Some guys say "If I'm paying, why should I care if she cums?"
 
I can only answer for myself. I like to make women cum.  It's fun.  It makes me feel good.  I'm still totally aware that its a business relationship.  And if making her cum enhances the experience for both of us, than that's what I'll do. Now if I sense that the provider is just going through the motions, and just wants to get it over with (a fortunately rare occurrence), then I'll just concentrate on my own orgasm(s).  But most of the time, the girl wants to cum too, and appreciates the DATY.

I have to say that it's nice when he supplies me with the quake-shattering shimmy. I could probably make myself do that anyway if positioned just right and he doesn't change that position for a few minutes. However, gentlemen, it also makes me feel bad when some of you expect me to climax and I don't and then pout all night about it. It's almost like saying, "What's wrong with you?"

Hugs,
Ciara

I think a lot depends upon whether this is a one time visit or an ongoing favorite Lady.

For a one time visit, while I would like her to have one or more O, it won't ruin my time with her if she doesn't.

If it is someone I see often, then I am more concerned that she enjoys the time, but also more interested that she not fake it.  By that point we should be able to talk about such a thing.  If it just isn't in her that night, fine.  I'f I'm not doing something right I WANT her to tell me so I can do the right thing next time (or later that evening).

I had a GF who used to turn bright, friggen, red, almost purple as she came.  Meanwhile she'd get goosebumps all over her.

Furthermore, she was completely quiet during DATY, and I'd watch it gradually build in her.  Her nipples would start out hard and would stay that way.  Patches of her skin would flush, starting especially on the underside of her tits, and on her upper thighs.  These patches would expand over a period of minutes. When she actually came, it was like they expanded in a bloom all over her, meanwhile she would scream, and I could estimate the number of orgasms by how many crescendos she hit.  

And when it was over, her mood would be **SWEET**.  No, I don't think she was faking.

For one provider I was with her nipples never seemed to responded to sucking or caressing, never got hard.  Until *after* she actually orgasmed, only then did they get erect.  I am rather certain she didn't fake this otherwise, since she administered it 85% on her own.

So, there may be ways you can tell, but they vary from woman to woman.

/Zin

I've seen providers and gf's who had THE MOST SPECIFIC "O" requirements imaginable.  Mood, booze, lighting, touch, pressure, towels, pillows, location, rhythm, body position - you name it.  Any why not?  It's her body and, in that moment, I exist ONLY to please her.  It's a goal, a challenge, a test, a proof.

Maybe I was indoctrinated a different way - my first gf (she was 6, I was 7) needed about 30 min's of hard manual stimulation in exactly the right spots (two; simultaneously).  Then she'd go like a boulder rolling downhill - no stopping her (unless you wanted your face slapped).  Our liaison went on until I was 13 when we moved.

My attitude has evermore been, forget the illusion; fuck the girl.  Give her what she needs and what goes around, cums around.  FWIW.

I agree with Sparker.  REAL MEN do care if their lady comes.  WTF do I want with an body-shattering "O", cum dripping down her cheeks, if she didn't enjoy a parallel experience?

No.  If she's in the mood, I want her to cum.  I don't care if it take mega time or mucho effort from me, if she wants, she gets.  

It's about respect for the lady you’re with, IMHO.

Couldn't agree more.  As women get older (or maybe I'm just generalising from my own experience) orgasms get easier.  Maybe it's natures reward for the wrinkles?

My thoughts are these:
Whenever I am with a woman, I attempt to make sure she is enjoying it as much as I am, whether I'm paying for it or not. It's just "important" to me.
I feel that our time together is for mutual enjoyment not just mine. I know, that is "radical" thinking, but after 50+ years, that's the way it is.
While I will make every effort to please her as much as I am pleased, if she doesn't have a "big O" it doesn't take away my enjoyment, heck, I don't always either. But I don't like "faking" it, to me thats as good as lying, and that I won't do.
As long as we both enjoy our time together, thats all that matters.
I DO NOT agree with the notion that I'm paying her so I don't care what she does, or how she feels.
If a lady has agreed to spend some quality, intimate time with me, and has offered to share her body with me, she deserves the respect and honor of me trying to make her feel special.
And that I will do until the day I die.

Just my opinion...
B

And I do care. Granted I care strictly for me, as it helps get me off. So I care from a strictly greedy perspective. If I really didn't care, and it was all about me and whether or not I get off, I'd save a lot of money and just get some lube and a pocket pussy. Since it is about MY pleasure. The woman achieving climax is something that pleases me, and therefore is very important to me. I don't see it as bragging in a review. If it is truthful, then it is a compliment to the lady, and the gift I am giving her is a good review/endorsement an advertising plug if you will. To me, the review is all about her. The appointment was all about me.

I find the session to be more fun if the provider can "get into it" as much as I and her achieving an O is one sign of that.  It is the case for all of us, men and women alike, that there are some times when you are just not able to get there for whatever the reason. It is also true that for some women, it is not going to happen frequently, if at all, under any circumstance. Rather than faking it, I appreciate a woman who will just be honest about it and let me know that it is not going to happen for her. It allows us both to then decide how we can best spend our time together.

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I don't know.  I guess if she doesn't get it from me, she'll just get it from the guy before, or after me.  Not really a big issue.

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I can usually tell which is which.

If I am wrong and she is good enough to fool me, more power to her.

The ones that drive me crazy (and away) are the ones who fake it so badly you almost want to laugh (ooh la la).

Never had a 6 year old, but when I was young, found that most 16 year olds needed about 30 SECONDS of touching just about anywhere before they came.

I can speall "Rhythm" for posting purposes (see second sentence of my post above), however, when I was looking for a handle, TER said "GotRhythm" was held my another user.

I have yet to see one real orgasm like my wife has in the hobby.

no little OOOO,  aaaaaaaaaa  a mild shake.....

yeah right....poor thing if that the best you have.

My wife practically has a seisure when she has an orgasm. so dis a few girlfriends I had before.....they also got so wet it was running down their legs.  And there is no faking that. And piss isn't the same thing.

And wife has no reason to fake it........the rare times she isn't in the mood to cum she just says so and does her best to get me off.  She doesn't waste her time pretending.

I do beleive some providers do get off sometimes a lot. but so easily and so quickly......I doubt that is true very often.