What good is a verification service if providers still ask for 2 or more references?  Why waste money on a verification service that has all your personal information that is ready to be hacked?  Providers always want references with a email and website.  If I'm whitelisted on TER why do they bother contacting references?  I may have good references but that doesn't mean those references are dependable in responding to another provider.  I've lost opportunities because references don't reply.

A personal experience from a hooker who has been with you is sometimes the difference between a booking or radio silence.

and there will always be others. This is simple, see providers whose verification requirements match your tolerance for dealing with them. But don't forget that the more strict she is with her process, the safer for both of you. Kind of no way around that - the easier, the riskier. Happy hunting.

...and how bad I want to see them.  I still have limits to the amount of info I give, but I may try a little harder for ones I really want to see.  Never used a verification service.  EVERYONE gets hacked sooner or later it seems.  I usually stick to the ones that accept my whitelists for reference.

that you'll be compatible.

WLs are more icing than anything else. I have a shit ton of them but I'd be concerned about any provider that took them at face value, or who contacted any of them without checking with me first.

Sometimes the okays on a verification site are old and in some cases the provider is still listed as an okay but she is not even in this business anymore.So in those cases I can see a provider asking if you have any more references or maybe a more recent one.
I do check if a gent has whitelists and if he mentions that I can contact one of them or maybe someone he reviewed that is great.But I am for sure going to check with him first and then the provider.

You'll take his word on which lady to contact? What if he's doing favors for her for good references?

When using my whitelists, I advise the provider any of them can be contacted for a referral.   I've never automatically gotten a whitelist referral from a provider so the ones I have, we're selectively asked for.

Always best to have references that are current, but being a member of one of the verification sites is also helpful.   White listings also can work...I remember when attending my first M&G in Vegas, the organizer saw that one my ATF's had white listed me, and he also knew her, and was white listed  That's all the screening I needed...

I was out of action for a few years for personal reasons.  I have been on TER for a long time but with my reviews and white list entries out of date. I jointed P411 and began with one lovely person in the area. I have slowly and with great pleasure accumulated a reasonable number of O.K.s and some additions to the white list. Still. the most recent lady I saw wanted to call some references from among the OKs.  I was fortunate in that they are recent and remembered me.  
It always seem "impolite" to ask one lady I have seen to OK the meeting with another lady, but without what has become a rather well set up network apparently centered on TER with the help of P411 or one of the others and what seem to be a sister hood of professionals, it is working and I am grateful.

It's awfully disappointing losing an appointment because another provider didn't respond to a reference request in time.  Hopefully, most of the providers you use as references are more reliable than that.  

I think there's just something about another lady writing and saying "this guy is great - have fun!"  I can understand wanting to be able to see someone asap and skip the red tape, but it really is important to help a provider feel safe by acquiescing to her verification needs. Besides, the date will end up being more fun because she'll trust you more and appreciate your helping her feel safe to meet you.

For the most part I agree with you. I don't really have a problem if the provider I want to see feels the need to contact my okays on P411. But I draw the line with employment info. I joined P411 in part so I wouldn't have to keep giving out that info over and over again. As you said, I have every right to walk away from a provider whose screening methods I don't like, and I will.

For me, employment info is a last resort for when a client doesn't have P411, references, or any other way for me to screen them.  

White lists without reviews.

Especially the ones he does not mention. In fact I don't ask, I just contact randomly.

Unlike someone else I know that has a few whitelists but has NEVER written a single review here despite being one of the boards biggest blabbermouths for over a decade. Now THAT is suspect, questionable, and totally unreliable. I can't imagine how that guy ever gets a lady to see him, but from what I have heard, he doesn't seem to have any problems in that regard, go figure.

Not being argumentative, really.   But I get contacted by would-be clients who do not meet my screening requirements (and are aware of it) all the time..... and I do not understand why they want to waste their time this way, just as I do not understand why you are publicly airing your complaint.    
If venting makes you feel better, or you truly don't get that some ladies will never feel comfortable with ANY screening service alone.... well, then, ok.   Vent away.   Goodness knows I do it frequently enough.   :-P

What I do care about is how many hoops she wants me to jump through to accomplish her screening. As long as she doesn't expect to do all the work for her to feel comfortable enough to take my money, I really don't care who she contacts in her process.

I haven't seen a single one of the women that have whitelisted me, and I have NO idea why they whitelisted me in the first place.  

I have a review on here by someone I never even met, and he's been whitelisted by lots of people. Not sure how he got so many, not sure if he got women to whitelist him in exchange for a good review or what, but we never met and I was unable to get the review removed.

I made in my response.I have heard this from other guys they have whitelists but have not seen these providers.I don't know why a provider would do this.But it just proves cannot take whitelists at face value so when guys think whitelist is the end all to be all and get upset because providers have to verify.
This is the reason why.

but the facts prove otherwise, I do not blame a woman in the least for NOT relying on Whitelists for screening as I myself am proof positive that the system is full of abuse. For the life of me, I have ZERO idea why any woman, especially women from other states would want to Whitelist some guy they have never met, but they do.

Somehow a man listing off all the hookers he has seen doesn't seem like a great marker for morality.  It doesn't tell me much at all.  I don't know those women, and we don't offer similar services.  If anything, it ensures I am going to be treated like all the other hookers which isn't appealing to me surprisingly enough.  I don't have tons of reviews because of how super exclusive I am.  Maybe I want the man to be a bit choosy and exclusive as well at least the appearance of that?  I don't know.  The idea that some are all indirectly all fucking each other is maybe a reality to deal with but maybe not something to play up and enhance.  That is for me, anyway.  I know what I do and what escorts do and even those advertising as submissive are quite different.  Just adding my two cents.

Besides, just who's moral compass do you plan on using? You are my your own admission a "Submissive masochist" I am by my own admission a "whoremongering pig" who has been with literally thousands of women.  

OK, perhaps I am being a bit dramatic because I am pissy that I am at the office working on Sunday (little 10 minute break to take a peek here.)  However, the reviews, the photos, the P411 OKs, the WLs, they are all to be taken with a grain of salt.   Why women would give out an "OK" if they really did not feel the guy was worthy, I have no clue, but then again, why would a guy write a raving review about a gorgeous model type who is everything but....yeah, yeah, we all have different tastes yada, yada, yada but for crying out loud, I have had some experiences which truly had me questioning how I perceive reality and I am neither that demanding nor THAT nuts!    

Exactly.  It isn't a marker at all.  Thats what i said. Maybe you should reread and work on you reading comprehension before blindly attacking people to look like a big guy on a message board.

Also, it would be nice if the guy had enough morality to not kill me, so maybe a little morality might be nice.

A provider will look at my 411 and not ask me for references.  Maybe they contact an OK directly or not - I'll never know I suppose.

Just ignore that catfish.  
He tries to pick fights with everyone then does a 180 and wants to be their best friend.

"Somehow a man listing off all the hookers he has seen doesn't seem like a great marker for morality."

It doesn't have to do with hookers and Johns. In fact, I can say I've met people who would "never associate with a prostitute," yet they walk about their day cutting others down and beating their wife and kids. No joke I've seen this before in regular life encounters. Even have had to report child abuse against someone in real life who always bragged about how holy they were bc they didn't agree with this lifestyle. I would consider a serial cheater who is a gentle person moral before a guy who purposefully seeks people out to hurt them just to feel good about himself.

Yea.  I wasn't planning on more of a "conversation" with it.

maybe you have learned the lesson of how to "quit digging" when you find yourself in a hole?

I would never expect any group of people to agree on most things but I do find it astounding how we judge each other here, I can't quite get a grasp on it, somebody always has to be riding a higher horse than the others.    I laughed last night when I read one guy trying to "insult" another guy because the other guy allegedly likes dinner dates and/or overnights.   WTF, trying to enjoy a woman's company in more than one setting is really something to be looked down upon?   Really, is it a sign that a person does not have social skills, friends or family?   Anyway, that is just a recent of example of many on both sides.  

...great reviews for whitelists?  Why are my whitelists more questionable than someone who kisses a provider's ass in order to get one?  There's no quid pro quo for my whitelists (I'll wait while you look up what "quid pro quo" means).  Please explain how the deuce you deduced that my whitelists are unreliable.

what you wanted but didn't receive in your one and only review posted.  

charitable ladies who take pity on you

But I do contact P411 okays for sure. The ladies have to see the guys in order to right an okay.

"She didn't screen me! Should I be worried?"

...who take pity on you by whitelisting you even though you don't write reviews.  Isn't it amazing how many hundreds (maybe thousands in your case) of charitable ladies you and I have found over the last ten years who have taken pity on us and graciously allowed us to see them?

Judge you then sleep with you... Makes for good make up sex! e

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Arovet likes agency girls more than Indys, and the agencies tend not to whitelist, thus why he has more reviews than whitelists. Either way, 12 or 1212, they shouldn't be used solely for "verification".

GaG, you're earning that freebie with me, lol ; )
 

It has nothing to do with review control for me. It's about my comfort and safety. If you like boning chicks that will see anybody based on the fact they think P411 entitles them to any vagina on the planet, go for it. I have no more control over review than anyone else just because I know your name. Why would I commit career suicide because one guy maybe didn't like me?!

Now before it takes a life of it's own..GaG, just fucking do her now and end this shit.

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they get an extra hour

work on legalizing and destigmatizing sex work.  Then, when it becomes more mainstream, seeing a provider will become less of a process.  

Hi There

I've never signed up on any verification site. I just call or text a provider and wait for her to respond. If she doesn't I call another provider. My ATF never asked me for a verification or a reference. And as far as references, there's no way I would ask my ATF for a reference to see another provider. Plenty of providers out there that don't ask for references or verification.

Cute that someone who has said he won't screen how you want and you crack this joke..

you and bigpapsmear who are having a breakdown

She must be very exclusive.

I mean, how else are you going to find chicks who will let you do BBFSCIP on the cheap AND sit back while you brag about it on the internet...all for a gallon of 2%.

and it's NOT LWAM, that's for sure.

Mad much??? Whaaaaaa! Just stick to seeing anybody and everybody and let me and GaG have our fun. No one asked for your 2 cents on this one. Neither of us mentioned you. His freebie with me doesn't involve you.

WINNING, LOL!

I never had any doubt.

she does seem to have a rather unfulfilled life, why else would she be chasing us around the board?