Here's a question to the ladies out there, gentlemen may also respond if you so desire. I've seen some of the providers advertise that they'd like to meet "upscale" and "generous" gentlemen. Does this mean that they would only see wealthy high-rollers and that us hoi polloi folk from the middle-class and below shouldn't even bother to aplly? The rates from some of these ladies are very affordable, as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't have any problem about coming up with the $.
Please enlighten me.


Waterman

Hi Waterman,

That is a good question.  I use that line in some of my advertising and here is my reason.  It is not to attract high-rollers or very rich men.  I am not a girl driven by money.  When I meet new friends I like to get to know them and make it a very personal experience.  I enjoy what I do and meet very interesting people.  The reason that I use it is because I like to see men who are respectful and will treat me right.

XXXOOO Ashley

In my experience I have avioded those ads at all cost. It means that the woman is money hungry and is more after the money. May also be a clock watcher. Now speaking for my self i aviod ads that have this in there:

Generous Gentlemen only--- She knows good and well if there are far nicer ways of screening bad men out if she wanted to.

No Bargain hunters, No 200 dollar callers,----how explicit can she get. It is the money honey and not you.

Cheers.

be respectful and treat you right. Killer blondes deserve no less!

you mean you get it for free???!!!!!???

I'm not worthy (picture me bowing reverently!).

Straightman with a smile....

straight - easyman is a bargain hunter and mistakenly believes ladies that use those phrases in their ads are money hungry clock watchers.  I'm not really inclined to enlighten him because I wouldn't want to foist a cheapskate on any of the exceptional ladies he refers to.  Sedagive.

But I don't pay rip off prices. Are you suggesting the incall/outcall providers should only be for the rich. I say no way. You pay want you want. Justifying it is another story.

If you are driven by money, no one expects you to admit it.

Hey Mr. Easyman, you sound a bit grumpy, and if you've had negative experiences, I am sorry.  I will tell you that most of my ads state that I am available for upscale, generous, discreet gentlemen. Usually just like that. In response to your lament of money hungry women, I'd ask you what is wrong with being money hungry? Honey we live in a capitalist society... we're ALL money hungry in some sense, unless someone is really fooling themselves.  And while I personally LOVE my job, I do EXPECT to be paid for it. You are absolutely correct that I do not want to be insulted by someone who is a bargain hunter looking for a blue light blinking over my head.. I'm not on sale, now or ever.  On the other hand I do not pull the sleazy tricks of some rip off types who try to upsell for every piece of clothing tossed aside. My fee is flat, and MORE than fair for the quality of service I provide.  Tips are welcome, as it is always nice to feel like your extra efforts have been noted and appreciated... but not expected, nor required.

Yes, I'm a money hungry, perpetually horny girl.  I like to get paid the fee I request on my site. I have bills to pay just like you do.  I am not here asking for handouts, or charity, merely money earned for services provided.  What exactly is wrong with that? I think it's unfair to say that those of us who request upscale, discreet, generous gentlemen, are in the same class as those who will try to rip off a gentlemen at every opportunity. If that has been your experience, I am sorry for you... I can't imagine how RUDE it must be to be in the midst of things and have someone say "well if you want more, it's another $150." RUDE is all that is, low class, sleazy and slimy. And I, and most of the other ladies whom I've met who use those words on their sites, do not fall into that category.

Hugs*
Nicole

You said I sound a bit grumpy. Of course I do. I as a legit question that got over 230 reads within hours. The people have call me every name in the book. They shoot at me...I shoot back. However I do appricate your response, but it is not sleazy and barbaric like those other jokers on this site.

Yes I did have a few bad experiences. So I make it a point to avoid all money hungry women. Yes even those with the "I have bills excuses". I have seen some ads that say " Nice Men Only  Please". I have met the most charming woman. Only one problem, she did not stay in the bussiness or more like she left the area. Still in bussiness but too far away

Nicole said: "I am not here asking for handouts, or charity, merely money earned for services provided.  What exactly is wrong with that?"

I will tell you wants wrong with that....someone as sensitive as I am ...it will show. I can sense when a girl is in it just for the money. The high price may only be part of it. It may seem hard for you to believe, but I look for both a FRIEND and a Service in all of the WOMEN I get paid services for. I love the idea of  paying her after the session. After a couple of Visit she knows that even if she does a poor Job , I will pay what is promised. So yes being in it strictly for the money is wrong in my book, and it will show in the girl. Believe me.

2nd Nicole Said:  think it's unfair to say that those of us who request upscale, discreet, generous gentlemen, are in the same class as those who will try to rip off a gentlemen at every opportunity.

Dear...I am not saying they are in the same catagory as those who ask more money if  you touch her or there, or even rip men off. I AM saying that when a woman puts words like "UPSCALE" "GENEROUS" in the wordings of there ads are all after one thing  MONEY.  Nicole we had a woman on earlier to say that had nothing to do with money, it was her method screen out the bad guy and getting the nice guys. I am nice guy, clean, good looking, I like safe sex and safe role playing even more, but I don't pay those super high fees. At least you seem to be admitting that GENEROUS and UPSCALE is directly related to MONEY. I do appricate that, because it is the truth and you are trying to bash like the other guys who hide behind 25 diffent handles.
Hugs back to you Nicole

Waterman,

I would not worry about that phrase.  It has appeared in so many ads over the years as to have almost lost it's meaning as to $$$.  Before TER when I would call on an ad with that phrase or something similar I get quotes from $100 to $10,000.  What is considered generous varies from person to person.  If your calling someone without any idea as to donation ask tactfully.  If it fits your wallet go for it. If not politely decline.

I have to agree with the gents here.  I have never used this verbage in an ad.  Who would I  be to determine what is upscale and generous.  It means different things to different people.  To me Upscale means an itelligent worldly man.  But just as it has been stated here the perception is a rich man.  Generous to me is someone who is equally giving with his affections not his pocket book.  I like Nicole have a flat donation rate that I believe is fair for the services rendered.  Personally I find tipping awkward but is appreciated but never required nor expected.  As long as we're on ad verbage I believe the more appealing ads are ones that are written in the third person tone.  Maybe because I raised not be boastful about myself and to let others bring your positive attributes to the world I find the first person ads to be less appealing.  Example:  Hi I'm Suzy I have large beautiful breast that I know are the best around.   Your looking at her picture unless she has a bad photographer you can see her large beautiful breast and they do look like they're the best around.

If you have good pictures they have a visual aid and no need to
waste words on what they can clearly see.  The third party gives the reader a sense of the internal workings of this person.  Suzy  has a fun loving spirit, who enjoys endeavouring a man and his special desires.  She thoroughly enjoys getting to spend time with, witty, educated, and mature gentleman who enjoy giving as well as recieving.

YOUR ALL VIPS TO ME--Love to meet you Suzy

Upscale is the descriptors witty, educated, mature gentleman--less offensive in this manner.  If they are all these things they are a richly rewarded man and are upscale in my book.
Generous is feathered in with a man who enjoys giving as well as receiving.   The sign off is really the only part that is a first person and I have used YOUR ALL VIPS TO ME many times.  But that is my true belief that everyone is a VIP. This might be a one time opportunity to spend time with a Very Important Person. Important in the regard that there is no other person on the face of this earth like this special person who has graced my doorway.  Unique and special and  my life is always richly reward by gaining insite from someone who's life walk is different than mine.

Easyman,
Boy you are making this difficult.
I can only use MYSELF as my point of reference for this, and other providers may or may not agree with me. BUT for myself I will say first of all that I have never been any good at ANY job I did not enjoy.  If I were not the horny, oversexed, kinky creature that I am, I would not be in this 'biz.  Thus, I am happy to say that as long as the clients treat me with the basics of respect and appreciation, I enjoy every second of my work... to the N'th degree... to the degree that most of my reviews describe me as a GFE (until I asked not to be categorized that way for my own reasons)... to the degree that 90% of my clients are REGULARS.  And I am proud to consider many of them my friends, and our time together is enjoyable in bed or out of it.

It's just so ironic to me that of all the people you'd pick to say don't enjoy their work and are here JUST FOR THE MONEY, you'd pick me. You have no idea how funny that is, maybe if you ever meet me, you'll understand

Now THAT SAID... this is a business just like any other.  I am good at what I do... I'm good at being with people, I have a need to PLEASE those I am with, I get off on giving pleasure. Fact, you don't know me, you may think I'm just saying that... ummmm read my reviews  At the same time, BECAUSE I am good at what I do, I *expect* to be compensated fairly for my work. If I were a veterinarian who LOVED my job, LOVED working with animals and loved every second of it, I'd still expect to get paid for my skill and NO ONE would think anything was wrong with that, or call me "money hungry" like it's a bad thing. But you are saying that it is wrong for an escort to expect to get paid fair compensation for HER skill and that if she REALLY loves her job, the money doesn't matter.  That is illogical and unrealistic.  You are saying that if this is the way a lady supports herself, it's wrong. You're saying that we should be in the 'biz for free... well honey I *can* get the things I get from the 'biz, OUTSIDE of the 'biz if I so choose. LOL! Actually in my personal case I will tell you that I never hook up with anyone in my personal life... too risky emotionally. This gives me a context to put it in that keeps me safe on that level, fulfills my needs, AND generates a very nice income.  Now if that's a bad motivation for being in this 'biz... LOL so be it! It surely doesn't seem that way to me! But once you separate the money from it, you're putting me back in the context of heavy duty emotional risk... (my need to please, for me, translates into falling in love far too easily, with all the wrong people. ay caramba! Again I am ONLY speaking for myself) and defeating the entire purpose of my being in the biz!!!!

So is it the FUN???
YES!!!!
Is it the money too?
YES!!!!
Is expecting to be compensated for my time WRONG???
Hell no... but if you think it is, why don't you just pick up girls in bars instead of being in this hobby? I don't get it, honest I don't!!  

When you go to work today, tell your employer that since you love your job sooooooo much, you'll do it for free... Have fun!

Hugs*
Nicole

Thanks so much to all of you for your wonderful advice.It has been very enlightening indeed to hear from so many different viewpoints. Stumpy, I appreciate your insight and promise to read your reviews, and if you ever need any info about the Phoenix area, please feel free to send me a private mail. As for the ladies, if I ever find myself in your city, I would be delighted to meet you personally.



Waterman

Fist let me start of with a correction Nicole. I did not mean to say you were bashing me like the other jokers hiding behind 25 fake names. I meant to say UNLIKE  the other jokers here, you are NOT bashing me...and I do appricate that.  I WILL SEE IF I CAN find a few of your reviews if they are posted here. Thanks.

There is nothing wrong with you being fairly compensated for your time Nicole. In my book there is only a problem if  you are overcharging. You DON'T seem to like the idea that there are girls out there who may provide an EQUAL or BETTER service than you do, for a LESSOR price. Of course a girl should be compensentated for her sexy time sharing. Wheather that be with all out sex or just role playing fantasies like I like. I never said any different. Unlike picking up the gorgeous girl at the bar.....she is NOT go to do just what you want...you will have to share whatever way she may want to do. When you pay a girl, like I do, I AM THE BOSS of the sex play. I am in Control of what play we will do.

90% Oh please Nicole.... I am not impressed when a  girl says that. If you charged 1,000 an hour for your time, you would probably get 100% repeats because the few men who were willing to pay that outragous fee! would come back at a later date.

If you look higher on the board Nicole there is post with the word NEGOTIATION....that guy just hiding behind the word bargain hunter. At least give me credit Nicole. I don't Negotiate. I tell the girl what I want and she give me a fee. She Might say 75 dollars and hour for message and 150 dollars and hour for sex. I was not negotiate I just ask her the price on her various service. Unlike the cat above, I won't ask her to change, I will take or leave it.

I never said anything about working for free. I am only talking FAIR PRICES vs. OVERCHARGING. If a man is willing to do the leg work, he can find a girl that provides an equal or better service than you, for a lessor price.  I know that shakes a lot of the overpriced girls up Nicole,.....but it is fact.

Hugs back to you Nicole

Easy.

Reepends.......

It all depends on your pleasure,as to equal and better service..Different people like different things and can grade a girl what she does, and how she does it "IE" pearsed tongue, CBJ, or BBBJ.. In other words some guys like what some providers do verses other providers..Everyone makes love in their own way and you have to find a fit for you..  Thats why Nicole has 90% repeat clients...They fit..

Did I make sense on what I just said???????  I shouldn't drink straight orange juice this early in the morning, it's too strong...LOL...

Clarifying what these terms mean would indeed be appropriate.

It seems to me that "upscale" clearly implies rich.  But whether you pay a provider her full asking price without fuss or murmur, and whether you are rich, are two quite separate questions.  Many providers of various kinds of service have found that it is their less wealthy clients who have been the more punctilious about paying them promptly and in full.  The same can be said about gentleness and consideration towards others:  the rich are not necessarily superior in these qualities, and indeed some of very our wealthiest citizens got where they are thanks to the very opposite qualities.

I do not consider myself rich or "upscale."  I do hope that I am in most repects a good sort of client nonetheless:  clean, sober, polite, pleasant, affectionate, gentle, appreciative, discreet, freshly shaven with nails trimmed smooth and short, and generally attentive to her comfort, peace of mind, and pleasure, plus of course scrupulous to pay in full without having to be asked.  If a provider wishes to steer me away as a potential client by using that term "upscale" in her advertising, that is her privilege--perhaps her loss, perhaps mine as well.  Such terminology does indeed keep me away, not so much because I fear being overcharged as because I do not wish to pay for a snob's company--nor for that of a woman so mixed up as to consider escort work a good way to troll for a husband or keeper.


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You are right good service in in the eye of the beholder. Where Nicole may suck and hump all day mechnically, the girl that is right for me may or may not even engage in sex. She must be a good friendly role player. And if we have sex, she will act out a senario. She will be a classy dresser in a miniskirt bussiness suit or lingerie, even if I have to provide it.  Nicole, just by talking to her, seems a bit dominant. Now for the record, dominate women make me a feel ill. Why pay for it when you can find a mean dominant in every store and bussiness you encounter. Submissive women are worth there weight in gold. At least to ME. You Mr.Thick may perfer you women to be a little more demanding and bossy like Nicole.  In addition to being a good bargain hunter and am a good screener of women. Just by how they talk or type to you.

I do want you to know Nicole I never negotiate, the woman tells me what her fee is and I either accept or decline. Now surely you will agree there is nothing wrong with a woman having two or three different fees for the things she does. She might go a low a 50 dollars for a massage and up to 200 for sex. I take you may not do massages, roll playing, only straight sex. Well I am into safer thing than that, so with no offence you would not be right for me on two fronts.  The Price and "Services wanted but not provided"  You see I am not a bad guy. Thanks for the imput too
Thanks Thick too

Easyman, you *are* grumpy... because now you're trying to fight with me about overcharging vs. charging correctly, when before you were saying essentially that money should NOT be a motivation "and don't give me that about your bills" in this 'biz... LOL So now you're getting me all confused.

As for prices, mine are on the low end for the DC area already... and I resent the implication that my regulars would come back regardless of the level of service they receive. You think people come back when they DON'T ENJOY and feel they got their money's worth? That is just rude! You don't know me, you've never read a review of me, you probably do not live in the DC area.. or you would have heard of me from others, and on the review boards. I have established my reputation, I love what I do and it *shows*, and it didn't get handed to me on a silly silver platter.

The best way to determine if a price is too high is to see if your phone is ringing... ie: if people are accepting the price and paying it, it's not too high. I am not a porn star who charges $1500 per hour, so that's not even a fair comparison. (Altho I bet they have a GREAT time!)  Based on the reviews I've received my prices are MORE than fair (search here for Nicole, area code 301), those who make use of my services enjoy them immensely, and I have zero complaints... except from you! LOL

If someone can find better service than I give, at a lower rate??? MORE POWER TO THEM! That is fully their right, and their decision to make that choice.

I'm gonna stop hugging you 'cuz now you're making ME cranky =:O
Nicole

Ooooooooh boy... now I'm a snob! LOL!

To me upscale only implies "can afford to pay for my services without starving to death or being unable to pay your heating bill that month, especially in January." It also includes your description of yourself... so there, you qualify as upscale in my book! I'd love it if you'd read my site and let me know if I come off as "snobby." That would be one I'd never heard! But then again I suppose anyone who thought I was snobby, wouldn't write to tell me so, so wouldya? I'd love it, really! (I can and do take constructive criticism!)

I'd be happy to take a look at your site and give you feedback, Nicole; but it seems that my browser is just not upscale enough for your server to talk to. If you there require your clients to be "upscale" then yes at that point I would say you do come across as a snob.

It is of course quite possible that a particular provider who specifies that her clients must be "upscale" is in reality NOT a snob.  But an intelligent person routinely makes choices based on general probabilities, rather than withholding judgment until it can be based on specific experience of each case.  Those clients who already know you may know you to be no snob; but they are not exactly the target audience for your advertising, are they?  The general probability in this matter, as I see it, is that those providers who put this in their ads are more likely to be snobs than are those who do not.

You have said what "upscale" means to you, the provider and advertiser.  I have said what it means to me, the potential client, and why I take it as a cue to take my custom elsewhere.   Whether more importance attaches to the writer's intentions or to the reader's perceptions, in the case of advertising copy, I leave to you to figure out.

PS March 3: Now that your server is cooperating, Nicole, I see that you use the term "upscale" on your site only to describe yourself.  This is not the usage under discussion.  Is this a change you have made in response to this thread, perhaps?

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You are the RUDEST person I have ever encountered on any board, anywhere. How DARE you???? OMGGGGGGG LOL you are an absolute MESS.  Anyone who reads my reviews and visits my site will know better... but because I stand up for the fact that we make money at what we do, I "suck and hump mechanically?" You are sick in the head and not even worth replying to any longer.

Dominant? I suppose so, with complete idiots who think ladies should be here for FREE!

Try the street girls, if you want good discounts, it seems like the kind of thing you deserve.

Nope, haven't changed the site... it was down for a few days, my server was having some major problems. I was speaking up for the ladies who use that term. Perhaps you'd prefer they advertise "available for blue collar workers", or "available for any sleazy guy who walks in the door."

Now that easyman has decided to resort to low level insults, I think I'll refrain from posting on this thread. It's obvious that what you guys want are brainless bimbos who cannot speak up for themselves... and that sure as hell is NOT me.

I have had it.