No email is frustrating. If you have questions and want to see if you may be a fit email is better than a call. I've found people on the phone to be very short with me and almost like I am wasting time. This is why you have email to get all that out of the way.
What are your top 5 red flags when selecting potential providers (from their ads)?
1. Just plain not my type- ugly woman sorry - there may be cheep but when mr.happy hides it sucks.
2. Cm, kg, just plain off measurements. We use the imperial system and that it in hobby so if in USA. Also look for 220 plugs there all round pin's in photo. I don't pay deposit so taking any thing other cash.
3. She so open minded that click every box. The only thing I like as exter is good DFK or kiss. This is even after watch the movie species.
4. Location should be a side of a city not a address or just state just USA. Also I avoid trapped areas. For example 8 mile John r Detroit, Robinson OKC, Van Buren phoenix, is place want go.
5. Supper clean, or hiding the middle. If she and room looks new there good chance it cops, or spammer. Thugs don't care.
6. She sound like bad county musical, need you see her now.
It’s depends on where on van Buren in Phoenix, i use to live in Phoenix on van Buren, but I was on the other side of the 202 freeway about 5 mins from Scottsdale.
Seems like good points but couldn’t understand some of them lol
we have to secure a location in case of no show... thats why deposits are being required. At least I dont loose.
I can make a better case for a deposit in most cases for the Hobbyist, not the Provider.
Number 1....Let's face it Hobbyists are at the top of the food chain, not the Provider. That's a fact, not my opinion. You want my opinion?
Way too often Hobbyists are bullied, made to think, or just go along with bullshit that makes no sense from my perspective. Here is an example; Why is it almost customary to be paying Providers 100% upfront. This isn't done in any other business I know and for good reason. ****It doesn't work well**** by doing this all you have done id fucked yourself by reducing the incentive for these women to do good work, But they "love what they do" .... sure they do. Even if that was true incentivizing anyone to rob you is probably not a good idea....why not take out a large life insurance policy on yourself and advertise every day who the beneficiaries are? Because its bad business! Same as these damn deposits and paying people upfront in full for a job that hasn't even begun.....it's not a good idea
It is not even a question that when one side of a business transaction has been compensated 100% before the job has even started much less is done. Forget most of these providers offer zero customer service and couldn't care less if you are happy or feel like you got a fair shake.
Forget the fact that the new biz model "FUCK THE REGULAR" most providers today don't even care if they see you twice. Why would the provider care about burning a bridge every day or every client when the phone keeps ringing?
The fact is this won't even pass the smell test as there is no good reason for any Hobbyist or businessman to constantly limp into a deal when doing so only lessens his or her chances of a mutually satisfying outcome.
Good business only exists if both sides feel like they have gotten a fair shake.
Even on its face, it's patently unfair...one side paying up in full not half but in full. That's bullshit. Providers are saying we don't trust Hobbyist at all, Zero, Nada Zilch so we think it's only reasonable to ask....demand you trust us 100%...Huh?
Providers will say that this grift of demanding payment of 100% in full is protection... to protect those lovely ladies from harm. From being harmed by the scumbag Hobbyist boogieman that doesn't pay. I don't condone this but just because the money has been handed over it's not really secured is it? I mean forgive me but what is to stop a Scumbag Hobbyist boogieman from just taking the money back by force? The answer is nothing really. So instead of doing their own due diligence and screening better were just going to invent this insane bullshit ..... demanding payment upfront. Truth is unless the money is paid electronically visa vi PayPal or Cash App it's really no more secure whether the Provider collects 100% upfront or half up front and the rest when the job is completed....which is both much fairer and much better policy. For both sides. If you are a provider and you disagree with this imagine if the policy was a Hobbyist only pays when the job is completed. This is much more in line with reality and most biz is done like this or closer to this than.... 100% pre-pay. None of this shit has ever made sense why start or stop now? Introduction of the Deposit.
The deposit is no different from the 100 % pre-pay in the sense that they make little sense if the goal is doing good business that is sustainable. Once either is paid upfront you have undenieable reduced YOUR OWN chances of a satisfying outcome. Think about that.
No doubt this idea of mine will be met with the impassioned cries from Providers from coast to coast ..... how they had suffered for so long in the past and this Deposit thing is keeping them safe ... huh? I hear that sometimes. Just like the pay upfront 100% bullshit, most Providers think this is some right and any suggestion that it makes zero sense except to the grifter at the same time very few can make a cogent well thought out argument that makes any sense really. And or why the deposit is needed at all. Not because Providers are stupid but because there is NO good reason in most cases. Its a pipe dream .. Trickle-down economics for pimps bookers and managers.
The only reason for a small deposit would be if a provider has a long drive to make in which case maybe a $10-15.00 deposit for gas I guess makes some sense. But Providers that make a small fortune liberating these deposits will be outraged and hard at work justifying the unjustifiable or looking for a new schtick.
How many times have we Hobbyists made those long drives to see a provider? OC to the IE? IE to the OC OR LA SD LBC? 10 times more often it's the hobbyist not the Provider that is saddled with this drive this burden. Many many more times than any Provider and only to be left for dead in some Motel 6 parking waiting for a text with a room number that never comes ..... I will say this regarding the deposit. There are many more times that a deposit makes more sense to be collected for the Hobbyist than it does for the Provider. Think about it ..... What Hobbyist is going to drive 45 minutes or an hour and then not follow through.... Now change out the Hobbyist with the Provider and they wont make the drive at all and just keep the deposit ... Defending this shit is really disgusting. A deposit would rarely be stolen by a hobbyist for obvious reasons it would make no sense.
Lastly the bigger the deposit the bigger the chance you will be fleeced. Plain and simple. I see Providers asking for deposits of like $50-$100 (I have seen or heard of 50% of fee) With the phone ringing off the hook fleece a couple of dudes here do a job there is good money and is the norm I believe not the exception. All of this the Hobbyist has zero recourse ... make no mistake guys when putting up a deposit you are contributing to your own fleecing, donating toward a new business model although you probably don't know it. Deposits overwhelmingly are anything from a bad idea to a straight-up robbery that's a fact.
It may work out okay for you here and there but like paying for services 100% upfront it's never a good or the best idea. Not even fair or equitable. Bad idea's both of them opposite of what our employers or bosses would teach us to do call them "best practices".
Providers must laugh once the deposit is collected it's off to the bank, shopping, or perhaps the beach..... not the Hotel room or the Hotel parking lot where you sit in the dark waiting for a text for the room number ....Deposits are a simple and effective grift. A new way the modern Hobbyist can fuck himself directly and cut out the middleman.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s ….
TurbayVeronica,
In the beginning (Up til now); I never understood why Providers charged a "DEPOSIT" when scheduling an appointment with the hobbyist. Now that I read what you said & process it (I get it. I am now going to implement that into what I do.
Its a pass for me when they say . . . . "I'm not taking appointments until next week because of the infection. It should be gone by then."
Also ones who don't DFK because of "the infection". First of all, Covid is an air virus. Once you're inside without masks, it's all fair game for spreading it. DFK or lack thereof doesn't make a lick (pun intended) of difference. Second, an appointment without DFK feels too clinical to be fun.
Provider’s photos taken by Aldo Antonio. Haven’t met one as nearly good as the photos. I gave up.
I've had just the opposite experience. Either they look the same or better than their AA pics.
That is why i like him. Sure, he touches up the pics and makes the lighting look nice but he does not take off pounds or inches. Some photographers airbrush so much... those ladies with tons of glamour shots with skin that have no pores DO NOT look like that in person. Just go to Twitter to see a selfie and you'll see what they really look like. My Aldo pics aren't airbrushed perfect and that's why I continue to use him. I always get told I'm more attractive/thinner than the photos led them to believe.
I love Aldo's work, plus he's a nice guy who doesn't sexually harass you or blackmail you after having your pics done. There have been a few photographers that shake providers down for more money in order for us to keep our privacy.
I look way better in person. No editing needed. I love my selfie photos I take myself vs professional photos. Paying for photos that people say don't do me justice is just a waste of time. I don't like photo shop, or edits.
Have some standers like I cheep but have requirements.
For if she don't pick up phone I don't see.
She want stomthing other than $80.00
She don't keep words clean but implying FS. For example she says bbsex 445 regular condom qv $80 I do good blow jobs.
If has dirty muddy feet it a plus because I know real providers don't wash there legs.
I wish there was a way to mute posters because I would block your unintelligible garbage.
Just put him on ignore. You’ll never see his word salad again.
Can you enlighten me as to how? I poked around quite a bit and see no way to do this. Thanks, much appreciated!
There are multiple ways to ignore a user (unless they are using an alias). The quickest way is to click on his post and then click on “actions” at the bottom. Then click on “ignore user”. It’s right there along with “reply”, quote”, and “report this post”.
You could also just ignore it by not reading them. Oddly enough for someone who supposedly doesn’t like his posts, you not only read his posts, but you have been replying to most of them. 🤦🏻♂️ Don’t feed the troll!
To stupid to put someone on ignore, but have to a wine about a few out of place word.
When get gets caught in his web of lies he immediately threatens to put people on ignore.
Then a few posts down he is replying to that person in another post, thereby proving that his huffing and puffing was more of his BS.
For the hobbyists who do this to him is great satisfaction knowing that with VERY LITTLE EFFORT, we are INSIDE HIS HEAD MAKING HIM CRAZY.
We set the record straight anytime he lies. Most times these days he gets caught by multiple people causing his head to spin.
Dude, it's not "a few out of place word." [sic] Your posts are ridiculously, and a bit humorously, unintelligible. It's impossible for me to believe that the words you post are straight from your brain to paper. You're either using a translator app, or an app to purposely garble your words. Which is it? I think it's possible, even if not probable,* that you have something to say, but how would anybody know?
That's a joke, son, just a joke.* (Help me out guys, what cartoon is that line from? I can hear it, with the chuckle, but I can't see it... Fucking old age!!)
as for the cartoon character, I am plenty old enough to remember Foghorn Leghorn which makes me plenty old enough to have an ocassional "senior moment" too. lol
LOL. This is the truth: before I saw what you wrote, I said, "Foghorn Leghorn!"
Now, I admit, there's a chance I saw it out the corner of my eye. But I'm still going to take the credit for this rare victory of overcoming a senior moment.
Foghorn Leghorn!
I haven't laughed harder in my life.. My stomach hurts from laughing that hard..
His reviews are like short stories.
At least he can count to 20.
Not necessarily. Look more closely at the numbering. He's a trip.
1) Deposits required
2) Minimum 2-hour requirement for new friends
3) No reviews/No P411
4) If reviewed, no mention of MSOG
5) High donation rates with either no reviews or lackluster reviews
This is consistent with my thoughts as well.
If I could add a sixth, it would be ladies who describe their cancellation policy in greater detail than describing themselves.
Theres a reason why some providers have a min of 90 min or 2 hrs. (or the hr is higher rate).
We get ready for one hr, book. hotel (thats a big chunk of the rate-DC hotel rates are outrageous for one hour date).
also, many first times are nervous, we dont know each other, break the ice... that takes time. If I know them already is fine bc I know how the date would go. But many first one (1 hr) end up being 90 min with extra unpaid time.
Short answer, I don't need "break the ice" time. It's not as if she will remember anything about me after I leave the room. Perhaps I am a bit jaded from the hobby as I have booked multiple hours previously (thinking that it would be non-stop fun) only to have my ear talked off in what was just an obvious attempt to waste time. By the time I choose to book with a provider I have done some extensive research (reviews, pics, etc) and I know what I want.... which is what she offers/advertises. I get it if you're saying that nerves often work into the equation for first timers new to the hobby in general, but I am speaking from assistants who try to insinuate that 2 hours would be better for a first time meeting with that provider. I don't know what the DC hotel rates are at this moment, but I am sure they aren't some astronomical rate that a provider that charges similar rates as yourself couldn't make profit off of (just using your per hour rate from your TER profile).
There is a reason why some providers have a min of 90 mins or two hours IMO, and that's to make double their rate for half the work, while seeing less clients, and from a providers point of view, I get that too. It's just not for me.
All good points, especially about the "less work" and fewer clients.
I find one hour to be perfect for me - plenty of fun time and usually ample space at the end (maybe) for a chat. And that includes a quick shower upon arrival. While at my age I usually don't have trouble lasting for as long as I want, it does get tiring at some point and I know ladies probably don't want to go past a certain point of strenuous physical activity either.
There have been only a couple of ladies that I've seen who I had a desire to spend more than an hour with. Not because it's a bad experience, but because it's quite enough. The ladies I have seen for more than an hour have no trouble providing lots of fun for most of the session and I know it'll be a great time, especially if they're touring and I only get to see them three or four times a year. I'm thinking about one in particular who I tried for 90 minutes my second time seeing her and she ended up soaking the bed from the non-stop action.
As far as hotels go, I would assume that most ladies would try to work it out where they'd see at least a few clients during a hotel stay to lessen the impact of an expensive hotel. If not, I'd be looking into Dayuse to get a reduced rate room if only one client is being seen.
I think you'd see more outcall where the client books the hotel if instead reducing the rate rather than most providers charging higher for outcall than in call, even if they are renting a hotel room themselves. Never made sense to me.
If I pointed out red flags, maybe they would go away. Then where would I be?
#! NO SCREENING #2 faceless pics of naked open pussy #3 listing of 15 min visits w prices #4 offers of carplay #5 NO SCREENING
1. Deposits required
2. Offers BBFS
3. Offers QVs period (with or without mentioning price)
4. Wants work email, LinkedIn, or picture of photo ID, etc.
5. Has many reviews with high scores from reviewers with only that 1 review while vets scored lower
6. Stolen pics
7. Same pictures in ads for 5+ years
8. Duck face in every picture
Some are using this as their only ad "posting". If you don't join (even if free), you can't connect.
Also, with the $ they make on essentially paid porn (in some cases 100k+ per year), they can increase their rates without significant loss of income.
Even though the OP only asked for a top 5, I would have to add your OnlyFans comment to my list as well, George. Good call.
5. Porn stars
4. Duck-face photos in ad
3. BBFS
2. Too young
1. No BBBJ, no kissing
1. Telephone-only contact
I always book via email. A companion with no email? Everyone has email!
2. Social Media only
I have a thing about a companion having a website and web presence beyond social
Media. No website or means to evaluate beyond SM is a no-go for me.
3. "Over-screening"
A few have mentioned no screening, but I have to balk at what I consider excessive screening.
I'm all for a companion's comfort and safety, but asking for too much is a no-go for me as well.
There has to be a balance somewhere.
4. Excessive Deposits
I have no issue with deposits to show I am committed and have "skin in the game" (pun not intended).
However, I balk at a deposit of more than about 20%.
I guess at the end of the day, I book where I am attracted and comfortable with various risks. I'm sure we all have our own definitions for both of those factors.
No email is frustrating. If you have questions and want to see if you may be a fit email is better than a call. I've found people on the phone to be very short with me and almost like I am wasting time. This is why you have email to get all that out of the way.
1) Phone number as an only contact
2) No reviews
3) Rate too cheap
4) Vague ad
5) Deposits required.
First of all, calling somebody things such as "UGLY" and I bet you're just as ugly as the Provider that you are talking about.
You're probably right, Kitty. But to be fair, I'm not trying to get girls to pay my UGLY ass a few hundred bucks for an hour. that last review you got probably stings a bit.
First of all, calling somebody things such as "UGLY" and I bet you're just as ugly as the Provider that you are talking about.
