...just batshit crazy. Crazy = doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result.

If you used a CC to pay that deposit - I assume you did - you could try filing a complaint with the merchant services company that charged the card.

Don't hold your breath.

So everyone please try to be as kind as possible, I know he is a very easy target, but I think he has suffered enough.

I wish I had some advice for the OP that he didn't already know, all I can stay is STOP STOP STOP!!!

I do have a question for you though. Why do you think an overpriced Porn Star is going to be the "perfect" experience you are searching for?

You are every bit as likely to get that perfect experience by booking with a couple of well reviewed TER ladies at a fraction of the cost. I only mention this because you freely admit you "can't" afford this. If someone likes to blow their money on porn stars that can afford it, thats fine, yours is a different case.

I would invite you to South America to have that perfect experience at a fraction of the price, but I don't want to encourage anyone who admittedly has a problem to spend money he clearly can't afford.

Good luck to you, it sounds like you are going to need it, your three grand is of course gone, You are better off taking a hundred dollar chip and playing it straight up on a number on the roulette table.

because you are never, ever going to see that money again.

What you can do is spill your guts and name names on your local board where this happened. (Vegas?)

And remember the first Law of Acquisition of the Ferengi Empire:  "Once you have their money, you never give it back"

What is wrong with booking a girl for an hour or two? why 96 hrs...

Please, figure out why you keep getting yourself into this kind of mess, and then do something about it.  

You are hurting yourself.

There are a few here who have given you some decent advice. For what it is worth, try to follow it!

...You are destined to repeat it!  Sorry but there is really nothing you can do to get your money back other than keep asking the lady and hope she complies.  I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

You need to stop doing this.  There are plenty of great providers out there who do not require deposits and will not flake on you. Forget about trying to arrange a scene from Caligula and just concentrate on some good and reliable providers.

but he still isn't going to get it back, except in the unlikely event he made his deposiit by credit card, which I highly doubt.

If I planned on blowing twenty grand in a casino this weekend it wouldn't give you the right to steal it from me, now would it?

.......snipe #2 once and for all.

that CS either hit bottom or came very close to it. I hope you rectify whatever in your life is driving your behavior before that happens to you.

You are going to have to look for answers from within, nothing anyone here can tell you that will magically cure you. Perhaps by accident one of us will throw something out there that will help you, but that's the most we can hope for.

need major help here...
Posted by ascimajor, 12/31/2010 1:56:46 AM
"Some of you may remember me, I'm the idiot who has been taken for thousands of dollars from providers just by paying in advance for no show's etc..""I tend not to read the threads i post too much because too many people talk crap and call me an idiot."

 



 I must be lost.Am I the only one that doesn't believe a word you write?

I'm trying without success to get past the fact you have been ripped off before when making deposits, yet you do it again while borowing from your 401 K, running up your credit cards and making trips to Vegas.
The PS you had planned on seeing was charging you 6 K for 4 days  yet she was getting 10K for a afternoon gang bang? You wonder if she is JEALOUS when you see someone else,and she doesn't know you??? Perhaps you left out the comradery and trust you felt with her, after last  summer when you two were in Cuba, organizing resistance against Castro.
 Are you always special in your imagination except for when you are ripped off.
 I am extremely inclined to believe, you have only corresponded with the provider in question, in your mind .

I can't give you any advice on how to get money back you never had,but I can advize myself not to open your posts.
The manure is deep with no solid scoops.
 In case I am the idiot for not believing your malarky and you are dumb enough to be telling the truth, trust me ,you will not get one cent of the 3 K you really need back.





 

As if credit cards aren't bad enough, you're using 401(k) loans to get laid- that's just insanity.  If you can't pay them back on time you'll get sucked into the death spiral of big tax penalties and the need to make even more withdrawals to pay for them.  

I think you've got bigger problems than your obvious lack of common sense and self control.  You seem to be have some sort of obsession that's turning self-destructive.  If you want to find out the technical name for it, ask the Love Goddess.

Seriously, the $3,000 will soon be the least of your problems.

And yes, it is a "brotherhood" of sorts.  That's why we're trying to point out that you're acting in a very unhealthy manner.

If you had money to burn I'd say do whatever you want and more power to you.  But you shouldn't be seeing anybody if you're going into debt to do so.  It's as simple as that.  

Yes, we've all been lonely at times, but that's no excuse to get played the fool.

Sorry,

If you are serious about having a several day "adventure" with a GFE type provider, there are dozens of well reviewed providers that would be thrilled to accompany you for a few days, without socking it to you for thousands up front.

This board is chock full of information on how to hobby safely and enjoyably. If you won't take the advice that is given here on a daily basis, you are just wasting your time and ours.

You have that disease that most sucker have, You "want" to believe, sorry but the world isn't always fair, we can't protect someone who won't protect himself.


BTW I have seen literally thousands of women, in several countries over a thirty something year period, once for as long as ten days with the same woman, I have never been ripped off for more than a few hundred dollars combined over ths entire period. It's not rocket science, it's simply common sense.

Keep in mind that if you plan on spending every last penny you have and then hiding behind the bankruptcy laws, they have changed dramatically over the last few years. It's hard to get off scot free anymore, not an accusation, just sayin........

and they are even less likely to return it than the "lady" who has it now. The money is gone, get over it, it aint coming back.

I am beginning to remember why I chewed you a new one the last time you were here. You are either trolling, or you are inccredibly thick. Either way, you can't be helped.

I just can't believe how aweful some people can be to others.  I hope you get your money back.

I hope you find a solution to your compulsion issues.  I feel for you being such a target with your compulsion to create a perfect date.  Hopefully, you're also seeking a good psych to help you as well.  

Here's to a new year and the ability to be happy, even when you're alone

Some of you may remember me, I'm the idiot who has been taken for thousands of dollars from providers just by paying in advance for no show's etc..

I thought i learned my lesson, however this past trip a few days ago i booked a porn star ( PSE ).  Her agent said she requires 50% deposit on long engagements (as i booked her for 96 hours).  I said sure no problem because she had a few reviews (all good) and has a public reputation (porn star).

To make a long story short, she kept changing things, and waiting until the day of to tell me these things...two examples are;  she told me she doesnt sleep in the same bed with strangers (whats GFE mean?) and that she was no longer meeting me at the airport because she got to bed late the previous day and would be a few hours late.

I canceled and said I paid you for half of the 4 days, so lets cancel the other 2 days and only do 2 of the 4 days.

The kicker is i booked a second girl for a 3some with the PSE, and when i canceled the 2 days with the PSE i moved over to the other girl.  Not sure if the PSE is jelious or just a scam....but that 3grand of mine she has is alot of money that i really need back.

Her agent says that she has the funds and that i have to talk to her to get it back.  She wont give it back and is telling me that she cant pay rent this month...(even though before my trip she said the same story about not being able to make rent that was due in 5 days, which would be about 3 days ago)

Im stuck in a bad position because that second girl i talk to told me she was offered to go to a gangbang with the PSE for 10grand....so i know the PSE has the money

can someone please tell me how i can get my 3grand back?   Its very devestating...every trip to vegas i have been "scammed" by girls.  Im heavy in debt (through 401k loans and credit cards).  I need an intervention but my personality issue is i will keep coming back until i leave with having a "perfect experience.

I tend not to read the threads i post too much because too many people talk crap and call me an idiot.  So if you care to help me than please send me a private message.

-- Modified on 12/30/2010 6:00:42 PM

Why would anyone book so much time with someone that he hasn't met on a previous session?  I won't even do an overnight with a Provider unless I've met her before and we have some chemistry because even at my age, I can't go for 12 hours straight, and don't want to spend that much time with someone if our personalities just don't click.  

It sounds as though you're on a budget if $3M is something that is breaking the bank, so my take away would be that you should be smarter about spending on your adventures (or if financing your adventures with debt).  You should save the extended visits for your ATF because this is someone you have a reasonable assurance won't scam you and may be a more perfect experience (whatever that means).  The hobby is an adventure, and I don't think you will find perfection, just fun, adventurous encounters that carry you through to the next fun adventure.

You were using the money for pleasure, you dont need it back.

I will spare you the name calling and the easy tagging! You are what you are and you know it. There is no sense in kicking you anymore as you are leaning over the gutter. You voluntarily admit that you are in need of an intervention, yet you are still repeating the same mistakes in pursuit of that elusive "perfect experience" When I read stories likes this one, I am amazed as to how so many people on these boards are so averse to the term sex addiction!

You state that you can't really afford to lose that kind of dough, yet you pre-pay for sessions measured in DAYS not mere multiple hours!!! This is reminiscent of seeing typical gamblers (no relationship to GaGambler or his smarter brother) in casinos or at bookies who one would readily know they can't afford to lose the money which they are betting with. If you were truly making the money and had a sense of pride in keeping the money which you strive for to earn, you most probably would not have been behaving in such a reckless manner. However, since you are using credit cards and borrowing against your own 401K, you do not immediately recognize and identify this as you would with a depleting balance in your checking or deposit account. To live off, party on or hobby on borrowed money is a lot easier than when you have to reach into your own pockets to finance these expenditures, until the time comes when you will have to pay the proverbial "piper"

Unfortunately for you, you will most probably not see your 3K even if you initiate a dispute process with your CC issuer. However, this action may prompt the PS to consider working something out with you since the CC Co will put a hold on those funds till their investigation is completed and I do not know as to how they will react to these kind of services not rendered as advertised/promised! To come back to the title of my post, you will only find your way out of the mess that you have created for yourself once you truly feel the pain and I think that you have already started to feel that pain. The Hobbyists who understand the difference between discretionary income and the funds-already-spoken-for will never act in the irresponsible manner which you are acting.

"A fool and his money are soon parted" and before anyone accuses me of pontificating, I would like to add that I have been that "fool" many times in my life in the past, so I am really talking from experience and not from something which I read in some book. The good news is that I found my salvation by facing my own demise; I lived through it and I survived it. I truly wish the same outcome for you too. CS~

so how did you get past it and move on?  If you made the same mistakes.....

what did you do

My evil twin the SocialDarwinist and I had a wrestling match, and I won this time.

As you contracted for "time and companionship" and got neither, you *could* sue the agency and lady. However, this would end up being more expensive than the $3k -- and then, if you won, there would be the matter of actually collecting. I've pulled this sort of thing off with people who have made me angry enough, but I do my own legal work most of the time so its free.

You could also file a dispute with your CC company. I actually think this has fair odds of success IF you have the details handled by a legal professional. Yes, lawyers are expensive. But this sort of thing doesn't cost much -- maybe $500 -- and it is pretty much a once and done. Keep in mind, the CC company can't accuse you of booking something illegal, because if they did, they'd be admitting to aiding and abetting prostitution across state lines by serving that agency. So this has better than even odds of success, though far from 100%.

So, going forward -- we have to deal with your personality issues. Personally, I believe that professional help might be in order. No man does therapy. He'll drink himself into oblivion, throw himself out of an airplane tied to a parachute and just about every half-witted option in oblivion -- but he won't seek help. Seeking help, after all, is unmanly. So you will probably ignore my advice, but I believe you SHOULD seek professional help. By the way, as I am at odds with that profession on a variety of issues, I don't make such a recommendation lightly. However, what you are describing sounds like behavior will within the diagnosable and *treatable* realm.

If you ignore my advice there, the next thing is to at LEAST try to hobby with some modicum of sense. You do NOT pay umpteen thousands of dollars to book women sight unseen. You just don't. That's crazy. Only once in hobbying have I ever offered to pay a woman in advance, and she was someone I had seen before and in whose ethics I have good reason to have faith.

If you are going to book at all, I want you to be booking in the moderate price range for now. There are a lot of TERRIFIC providers in the moderate price range. By "moderate" I mean $200-$350 depending on location.

Only book for 1-2 hours, and see what women can do in that time frame. Maybe book a different girl, one each month, for that amount of time. Use this to see what you do or don't like, and refine your choices. After about a year, you should have met a couple of ladies who totally blow you away. Go back to one of those, and if she is amenable, book your ultimate perfect experience -- which should take no longer than an overnight -- then quit.

Of course, you won't be able to quit because, you see, there is no single one perfect experience.

I have had "perfect" experiences with 4 ladies in the past couple of years. And guess what? Each one of them was perfect in a different way.

So, again, get some professional help. But as you will ignore me, do this instead:

Set yourself a strict hobby budget and KEEP IT. Allocate yourself, say, $100/wk. And save it up to whatever level is needed. Never hobby with money not yet allocated. So, you have a 5200/year budget that way. You can book pretty decent sessions every month with that kinda dough.

So just set it up, and structure it. This way, you will be less likely to overspend.

Okay, I gotta go -- my SocialDarwinist evil twin is telling me to setup a website with pretty pictures and a credit card machine to take the rest of your 401k. So I'm gonna get outa here before he wins.

I presume that by "it" you are referring to what I had referred to as my own personal demons and battles with various past addictive traits. The first step was obviously to identify that there were problems, rather than simply dismissing them as a passing phase or a fad. Yes, GaGa is right in stating that in every such instance I made a conscious effort to seek outside help and to draw from my own inner strength and resources to pull myself through my own mess, but only when the pain became so hard to tolerate and like I had alluded to, "salvation came through demise or technically speaking through near demise" Through it all though, I was just lucky enough (or blessed enough, although I do not like to use terms with religious connotation) to benefit from the love and support of my friends, inner circle and family.

Once you start taking pride in yourself, by truly appreciating the money that you make, rather than living off monopoly funds, you will hopefully be more astute with your finances. Personally, I have always been an active and athletic person, even though I have had lapses whenever I fell into my addictions and depressions. Everytime that I snapped out of it, I started exercising like crazy and although this may not be for everyone (please consult with a physician before you embark on any kind of rigorous exercise regiment) getting physically into shape was a natural antidote for me to combat all my vices. In short, whenever I became productive and took care of myself, I managed to beat all the stupid vices which I got myself into out of shear stupidity and boredom!

Hope I have been a bit of help and truly wish you luck, CS~

Well, judging by your post i guess you know the rest by now. Don't pay deposits. Start with short (2 hr or less) dates the first time, do longer dates with ladies you know. How hard is that?

Oh, I just read the last part of your post. Apparantly, you ARE an idiot!

But cheer up! Soon you will be totally bankrupt and you wont have this problem anymore

I'm new here and I don't know the handle of the OP.  Lots of older hands, including GaG have taken the OP's words seriously, and maybe he's for real.  But the OP is so absurd it made me wonder, is this guy just a troll?  I hate to sound jaded but this site encourages that, sad to say.  I may be new to this modern version of this game but IMHO if they want to do a re-make of "Dumb and Dumber" they should cast the OP as the lead.  
And, if you're for real, dude, sorry for the cynicism and please take the advice of the more mature responders and get help, cuz, dude, you really, really need it.  Anyone whose reality is so skewed as to do the self-destructive things you say you did (and, yes, I'm still skeptical), needs serious intervention.  Or a lobotomy.

Do you always hobby in Vegas? I see that your review are on Ladies from Vegas! If so, are you from Vegas, or do you frequent Vegas for business trips, etc? The reason that I say this, is because Vegas ids the last place to visit for whatever reason, for someone who displays addictive/compulsive personality traits and suffers from lack of self-restraint and discipline! Also, why PSE? Do you fantasize being in a porno and are acting out fantasies? I must say that the pattern of booking escorts for days is very abnormal around here and I presume that most hobbyists on TER are 1-2 hour session kind of patrons and even the thoughts of acting out 4+ hours of fantasy with an escort, must be both very taxing to most average hobbyists' wallets if not to their sanity!

He is posting under his real moniker

I will ocassionally protect the weak, I also at times protect the stupid. I will not protect the weak, stupid, and argumentative. You are rapidly becoming that person.

If you are to be beleived, you came onto this board after doing a very stupid thing, AGAIN. Yet you refuse to accept some very good advice on how to go about this little hobby properly. I no longer feel badly for you, you are getting everything you so richly deserve.

CS, I agree with your observations but, as to the troll part, have you seen this OP post before?  Just because he's not using an alias does not make it completely impossible he's trolling.  I would love to be wrong on this and await his response.  Maybe I'm an eternal optimist/bitter cynic but I just find it hard to believe any sentient human being can really be this stupid/self-destructive.  I say this having worked with addicts and also having some in my own family.  Oh, yeah, and being a borderline addict myself!

First of all, did you pay the $3,000 grand by credit card ?
If you did, then file a complain with the credit card company.
Tell the credit card people that you did not get the service that was promised.
Tell them she was suppose to model fo ryou, but she was a no show.
The Perfect Experience is not to be scammed and get your money's worth.

I paid via debit card through moneygram.  So who would i contact, my bank or moneygram?

Also its shocking how out of touch people are with reality.  This is supposed to be a brother-hood.  The reason girls get bookd for multiple days is something called GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE.

I dont drink or smoke or do drugs.  My method of escape is getting a GFE.

WHen i say i want a perfect experience, i only mean i want what was planned, and not have change of plans.  For example i planned on having the same girl for 96 hours, she flaked, stole my 3 grand, and the girl on back-up (for the 3some) had family/friend obligations so she couldnt stay the entire 4 days.

I was looking forward to doing clubbing/ going out on town spending entire trip with a girl, then it gets ripped away from me.  So Im selling all of my stock holdings to fund a new trip in a few weeks, hoping  my ATF will be with me the entire trip.

I will wipe away all of my savings, but i feel like i must do it to erase the feelings of being scammed.  Go one trip without being scammed.


Elderly people get taken advantage of, and so do LONELY men.  What good does it do to talk so much thrash and actualy be brave enough to say im lieing?  Move on, i specificaly wrote in the thread for people like that to not enter.

I am sorry to say but that money is gone just chalk it up to more money you lost.What I don't understand why continue with this behavior when you cannot afford it?This is suppose to be fun and pleasurable when it becomes something other than that you need to evaluate yourself.I am not going to even try to figure out what you were thinking by setting up an appointment with a lady for days that you have never met.I am not a psychiatrist so I don't know what was going through your mind,but why not just book a lady with more than a few reviews for an hour or two and go from there?
There are plenty of ladies in Vegas that you could see that post on the las vegas board so I do not know how much research you did to find this pornstar,but just because she is  a pornstar does not mean she will be on the up and up.
It sounds like a lot more to this story than what you divulged.

Sorry, dude, but the girl friend experience does not, NOT, require a three- or four-day marathon.  It relates to specific services provided and certain behaviors that can, for an hour or so, convince fools like us that the lady really cares about us.  If you're mature enough to go for this, but not fool enough to go for it hook, line and sinker, you can have fun.  But you have gone, way, way, beyond that and are so sick you're bankrupting your future to wipe out your last bad experience.  Assuming I'm wrong and you're not a troll, what you're doing is obsessive behavior of the most intense kind.  You need help.  If you don't get it your next residence will be a cardboard box...and don't ask anyone to feel sorry for you.

I just spent a wonderful hour with a porn star tonight.  It cost me $400 bucks.  I'm sure there are more gorgeous ones out there but she was fine for me.  So maybe, if he wants our continued sympathy, he should tell us who she is.  Otherwise, please stop your bleating.  Sorry, I'm on my third vodka and have run out of patience with this.

I was never meant to go back to vegas so many times.  Was just a one time thing...then maybe again in a few years.  however getting scammed each time makes me return to look for a trip where i dont get scammed, thus borrowing from debt.

Since I cant return to vegas for a while,  i cant afford to find a girl for 1 or 2 hours then book over nights for the next time.  Before this trip i didnt have an ATF, they all either retired/ripped me off/or werent enjoyable enough..I did find an ATF this trip though.  And my luck shows, i find an ATF when i have no more money left(after i sell my stocks)

I see and hear that there are "hundreds" of providers in las vegas, however one night i was by my self this last trip and i tried very hard for a same day appointment....i couldnt find anyone.  Looked on backpage, TER, cityvibe.

So how can i get the money back?  was a debit card used through moneygram.  I contact bank or moneygram?  Not sure what to say, "she was supposed to model for me", would they even buy that?

Shocking how you dont take into consideration that some people are at work right now, and your post was done at the same time i was reading another, thus not seeing your message.

You should get over your self if ur that quick to think everyone is a troll.

Starting to believe this board is useless.  You cant ask for help without being accused of being a troll.  People flame when they were asked not to even enter the thread


etc

Your below statement is unbelieveable.


So how can i get the money back?  was a debit card used through moneygram.  I contact bank or moneygram?  Not sure what to say, "she was supposed to model for me", would they even buy that?