I hear providers often saying they like men and women, and some even say for dating IRL they prefer women. At the same time, it seems more want to upcharge beyond their normal rates for a threesome. Not all, but a fair amount.  

I'm lucky that my ATF does not charge extra for that (and handles the logistics of it on her end as well).  But I've seen plenty ads that hold true with what you're saying.  It almost seems backwards to me, being that many hands make light work and all that.  

Come on man--either pay or don't play.

I love entertaining, but no one gets a feee ticket. The admission price should always be more if you’re entertaining more people = more energy.

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@hehitshewins
Your  statement  in  so  many  words:

Not only did your post fail to address anything said in the op, you also framed it like some kind of a nagging pricing complaint

To be fair, he did address the topic when he said “their body, their time, their rates.” At the end of the day whatever a provider may charge is completely their choice, and their reasons for choosing their price don’t matter to us. The only thing that matters is if we want to pay it or not. Many providers charge more for certain acts, even if they like it, because they can. Some might not think this is fair. However there are obviously plenty of guys that don’t care and are willing to pay the higher rate. Providers should charge more as well, since it is a higher level of service and in demand. This doesn’t mean they’re treating customers like walking wallets with no voice. It just means that some guys are willing to pay more to fulfill certain fantasies. Even if the provider enjoys the sex, it doesn’t mean they’re doing this recreationally. It is their job and they deserve to get paid for doing it.

Please tell me where my complaint is. If you try to answer, you will fail. You have 2 options. 1, admit you’re wrong. 2, make something  up that I said which is a complaint.  

I’m not talking about if a client brought a friend. I’m talking about if you bring a fellow escort. Neither of you are there to entertain each other. If you say otherwise, I’m not buying that lie. You’re both there to entertain the client. Anything you do with each other is for the client.

This - ""They  both  get  paid  but  don't  have  to  work  as  hard  and  their  expense  is halved".... is not at all what I am saying. I would disagree with me too.

...damn right I want them entertaining each other as well as me!  I can see where it takes more energy for the lady bringing pleasure to both the client and the friend but that would be why I hired her.  Some years ago, I learned the hard way but it took a couple times because I took the cheap route looking for that great experience.  You get what you pay for.
As for this...
 "I'm talking about average looking or worse with either no reviews or reviews with low marks."
That sounds like you're looking at ads on shitty sites and you should try your query on reddit or find some chat boards that specialize in low hanging fruit.  

You seem to not understand what I was saying.

If you can buy a bottle of Opus One at the liquor store for $495 but you try and order one with dinner at the local steakhouse and end up complaining that it's unfair to the manager because it costs $1200?  Does your BF get embarrassed?

Every time you open your mouth, it’s like a pile of make believe trash comes out. Just because you were with women who did stuff with each other, doesn’t mean they were doing it for each other. If they’re both sex workers and both hired by you, don’t think for one second that they don’t both know who they’re there to entertain. It’s you, you baboon.

....but you still don't get the obvious.  OK, we'll agree that you see me as  some ogre that doesn't like you, whatever.  On that, I don't dislike you but I do like making fun of you when you do or say stupid shit....which is often.   I gave you a non-aggressive response that was meant to aid in what you seem to be looking for even though you can't understand how certain providers wish to charge more for a curated, highly personal experience.   BTW, there are numerous women out there that will give you a 3-way interactive experience at their normal rates.  Why not just focus on them and not worry about others that command a premium for premium services because you're clearly not meant for that kind of arrangement.  Besides, given your proclivity to play on both sides of the field should open your options much wider than normal men.

Yes! I am there to please. You’re totally wrong. Let’s agree to disagree. I have a real like girlfriend, so yes we are there to please each other included.  

Because they can. And because guys will pay the rates. The free market always decides. Always.  

Last time I checked, we're in a capitalist society. If a lady offers something other than normie sex, why wouldn't she charge for it?

I didn't post this as an attempt to get any providers charging more to change their rates. That's not my lane. I have always said they should charge what they want. And, I am very well aware of my options. I laid that out from the beginning. This is not about me not finding options or wanting more options. It's more of a question to understand why some up charge. I'm just curious.

Is whatever a willing seller and a willing buyer agree to. You don't have the money for dinner at Carne Mare or Muku? Good luck getting them to lower their prices to what you think is "fair".

I never said you're not there to please each other. Quite the opposite. But you also know that if I hire you and I pay you both, I am the focal point. I am the client. What you do with each other may be to please each other, and I am not saying otherwise. But you also know it's to please me. Part of the fantasy is me seeing you two with each other, and Bia you are smart enough to know this.

I appreciate the honest answer. It's all I am looking to get.

That is a nonanswer that would be considered rude in many respectable discussions.

Unlike in this topic, there is logical explanation and reasoning  that restaurant businesses give for high bottle prices and corkage fees. It's not merely "because they can" or "because they want to".

Customers don’t have a voice? For a guy who claims to have no voice you sure do say a lot. I don’t think you’re picking up on what I’m saying. Sure, you can complain and ask all the questions you want. It still doesn’t matter. Providers aren’t going to listen to some random guy bitching on a board, especially if they’re getting bookings. They’re going to listen to the guys that actually pay them. They’re not going to waste time explaining their rate structure when there are plenty of clients who just book them without question. You do have a voice, but that doesn’t mean providers have to listen to it.
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This might be harsh but I’m going to level with you. You seem to think you’re entitled to things from providers that you are not. It also seems to be based on some vague personal ideas about “customer rights.” You talk about them like they are universal principals but they don’t actually seem to be based on anything other than your own personal feelings of right and wrong. The reality is you’re not entitled to anything from a provider unless you’re paying them. Most of the providers on this board haven’t received a dime from you. You might want to readjust your expectations.

My understanding is that plutonium is relatively rare and hard to find, but you make it sound like finding ladies into hot threesomes is easy. Is it hard or not hard lol?

My goodness, it's like you feel the need to respond without reading. No one is trying to get anyone to lower their prices. They can charge whatever they want. It's a simple question of asking about their rationale, given some do and some don't charge more.

I’m on topic and trying to move the convo forward.  It’s just difficult when you cannot understand what others see as so obvious.  I can’t help how incredibly stupid you make yourself look.  

This is one of those instances where you’re getting a very simple explanation but refuse to listen to it because you don’t like the answer you got. A lot of guys want threesomes. Finding women who want to do threesomes is hard. Clients are willing to pay more for it so some providers will charge more for it. It’s the same reason why many providers that offer Greek charge more for it. If you don’t think Scarlet’s answer is acceptable then you’re not going to find an answer you like. If you think Scarlet’s response was rude then you’re too sensitive and need to toughen up. You can be very blunt and rude yourself too, so give it a rest. You got a perfectly cromulent answer.  
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Anyway, plenty of providers have chimed in with an answer on this thread. You can keep posting if you want but I don’t think you’re going to find an answer you like. This is one of those instances I talked about a few weeks ago. The way that you’re carrying yourself is going to make people less likely to consider your point of view.

I mean you posted a rant about a providers rate structure and are arguing with the providers who are responding to you with their rationale. So you’re just complaining and arguing for no reason?

And you didn't even criticize anything. Lol.

What were the results of your spectrum testing? Were you able to find a therapist that can work with you?

It's impossible to take anything you say seriously when it's clear you lack reading comprehension skills.

Read my original post. Tell where the complaint is. Can a man not just be curious? Last I checked, this is place to create conversations. I was simply asking a question and trying to see what their rationale may be. Instead, I got accused of complaining, of expecting a freebie, of tyrying to force rates to be lowered, and a whole bunch of things I never said. So yes, I argued with them because they made stuff up I never said. I'm not arguing to get them to change. I'm arguing to get them to not make stuff up I never said and get a straight answer.

No, "because we can" is not an explanation. It's a "none of your business" answer". But it is my business as long as I'm a customer. I have a voice besides saying yes and no.  

Customers have input in this business. On this board we discuss everything hobby related, from habits to preferences and rationale behind decisions. This is a two way business. We get a say too and we have a right to criticize anything in the business.  

Obviously, in the free market world of escorting, an upcharge for a threesome should not surprise anyone. But the OP is curious about what many escorts who do upcharge say about the “why” of the charge. If pressed to defend, I’d imagine that the statement “it’s more work to please 2 than 1” is most common.  
I’ve had double digit number of threesomes and I am of the belief that NONE of them involved “more work” for my escort partners. In fact, I can confidently say that my experiences fall into 2 categories:  
  1) Threesomes where the companions have shared “the work” and;
  2)  Threesomes where the companions have shared “the pleasure”
In the very best experiences (#2 above) there is true 3way interactive interaction…mutually pleasurable and not “more work” for anyone…just lots of pleasure. In #1 above, the sharing of a focus on me, with minor interaction between the ladies is more of a shared, or division of, labor experience.
So, yeah, companions who upcharge are simply playing by the rules of supply and demand. But, please, the idea that it is more work? I don’t think so

Do u suggest any threesomes where the girls are truly bi and super interactive with each other?

This should be the lead-in for someone to post a youtube or other video of the Friends episode where Ross, Carol and her girl friend are suppose to be having a threesome but Ross is a bit left out.

I personally prefer when the girls give discounted doubles rates because they feel it's less work and/or they enjoy it, but there aren't that many out there anymore that do this. Nor do I insist on it with I decide to book a doubles. That being said, I can understand why girls don't discount or make it an upcharge. No discount with regular rates is because even if it is less work, it's still the girl's time that she could be working elsewhere. Why an upcharge? Well it actually is more work in some cases because contrary to what you may think, many women who offer doubles don't actually like girls and are faking it. You have to entertain 2 people, and some of these guys want the girls to keep putting on a show during refractory period which means no break. There's also the challenge of coordination and scheduling, which is extra work before the appointment. Final thing is if the market bears it, then they can upcharge. Of course not every girl feels this way and you as a client are not entitled to anything and you can choose not to meet girls who do upcharges.

or in heshitsondik's case, another penis-haver and have that highly interactive 3 some where the client is still pleasured by the other two.  The guest he brought is the corkage.  There are still providers that will charge substantially more for the threesome and that's ok if they have no basis for the upcharge other than because.  After all, the +1 is doing half the work,  right?
He's sounds like the same guy that will get his house reroofed and "help" the contractor and then want $45/hr for his time deducted from the final bill.  

And, I appreciate your answer. One of the main reasons I asked it is because of the inconsistency. I feel I see as many that up charge as those who don’t. Whereas, something like Greek is by far usually an up charge. I think if up charging for threesomes was more consistently done, I wouldn’t wonder why some do and some don’t.

when you have to try and explain to numerous people what you're "really" trying to say you, you should worry less about their comprehension and focus on getting your message across correctly the first time.  

He's NOT trying to get a lower price...what the fuck is wrong with people?!  He's just made because if he went into Carne Mare as some rando and ordered the Tomahawk but wanted Chef Andrew to come out to the table, hand carve it and entertain he and his boyfriend for 20 minutes there might be an upcharge for that.  In heshitsondick' world, Chef is working anyhow so why should he have to pay more because he's just working differently?

Meanwhile, I have asked several who made false accusations to point out where in my original message I said such a thing and all I have gotten is crickets, you included.

Not really. I only pity nice people who are stupid. But stupid assholes like you deserve no pity.

Had him on my ignore list for a couple years now. And seeing the replies you and others give to his comments that I can’t see always just validates my decision. Lol.

....and reminds me of the "double dip" thread some time ago where several morons were twisting themselves into knots trying to rationalize the arguments they should have not gotten into.  

Once again, "because we can" is condescending bullshit mixed with a dose of "none of your business".  

I believe this is the first post here that actually attempted to answer the question and not circumvent it.  

.......Holy shit dude, you should take a deep breath, LMAO!
If you want to question every provider you meet about how he/she has structured her rates and demand those rates remain reasonable...good luck, bro!  I usually walk thru the door carrying a gift or a bottle of wine as an opener but if you want to walk in and audit her P&L to make sure her margin is fair, well, that's an interesting strategy, I'll give you that!
The only two words in your whole post that made any sense at all was "hooker math".  I kick myself for not throwing that out as a primary reason right away.  The only thing that makes sense in pricing is that they can price anything they want for whatever fee they can.  You are free to patronize or not, that's the reality.  Stamping your feet and crying about it is a real bad look dude.  

Listen, you’re just kind of being dense and obtuse here. You’re having a hard time understanding the basic concept of supply and demand. I know nobody has explicitly used these words yet but it’s not our fault you’re struggling to pick up and understand concepts at play and the nuances of communication. When demand is high and/or supply is low, the price of a product will increase. There are a lot of guys who want a threesome with two women (high demand). There are not many woman who want to have a threesome with them (low supply). So the price is going to be higher. Scarlet said this very eloquently with three sentences. Maybe you should read Adam Smith’s “Wealth of Nations” before you start posting random wikipedia articles about pricing theory.

I was merely replying to your asinine post.

I don't think you understand that in a perfectly competitive market, if you want to talk economics, the price is determined via equilibrium price.  

I’m fairly confident from reading thousands of websites and ads that the supply isn’t the reason. That said, this is simply for a threesome. You may be onto something with a threesome where the ladies interact with each other. There’s a whole crew of mostly European escorts who go as far as trying to bait you into a threesome when you show up to find her friend/roommate leaving. They almost all just charge their hour rate but you’re paying both of them. So no additional up charge. But from reading many reviews on these types, they do little to nothing with each other. Some might kiss a little. But they are more just pleasing you.

OK buddy, here you go. You asked, and I will give you the equation that ALL providers use to determine how much they will charge to get the highest rate of return. Now this is a HUGE insider secret, so don't go blabbing!!!  

Which goes along with the answer being "because they can".

....the conversation HAS OCCURRED and you didn't get the outcome you apparantly wanted.  Seems like the conversation has now died and you won't let go of it.  What else is there to say on it than women will charge what the hell they want and you have a choice...the power lays in your hand, or hand if you're a cheap ass.  OR, just clench your little fists and keep stamping your feet like a little girl I guess??

You are struggling to understand basic Econ 101 concepts and how they work in the real world. Perfectly competitive markets are theoretical and many markets in the real world aren’t perfectly competitive. Perfectly competitive markets require identical products. Obviously no two providers are the same. This is why there are porn stars charging $2000 an hour and other providers charging $200 an hour. If the market was perfectly competitive each provider would charge the same price. However they don’t, so the market isn’t perfectly competitive. You’re starting with a faulty premise that renders your argument illogical. That’s problem number one.
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Problem number two is when you said price “is not ever determined by the seller.” This is simply wrong and there are plenty of real world examples that demonstrate this (including the one being discussed in this thread lol). Have you ever heard of a “price maker” and “price taker?” These are Econ 101 concepts. Price makers have market power, usually due to their size or a lack of competition. As a result they have the ability to influence and negotiate prices. A price taker is someone with no power. They can’t influence or negotiate prices. The only choice they have is to take it or leave it.  
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So the thing is, you’re just babbling about this crap but you don’t really know what the hell you’re talking about. The situation discussed in this thread disproves your whole argument. Your ability to ignore reality and babble about bullshit you barely understand is impressive. I’m truly impressed, you really do love to argue even if it means spouting nonsense. Have a good weekend my friend. I’ll see you on another thread.

I guess you can tell her she's wrong as well I suppose, you've already made the point of telling the other women they are.  

Why would I say she's wrong?

I hear "because we can" didn't quite work out for the old CEO.
What a shame.

where you might be implying that an assassination is justifiable.  Go ahead, it's just a fuckboard, you can say the quiet part out loud in here.

I can only speak for myself, but there are definitely legit bi (and even lesbian) escorts who have their reasons.