I consider my self lucky. I lost my virginity with a vigin. I remember the day we both had sex the first time and we celebrate it every year as husband and wife. Did I actively look for a virgin no, I just got lucky. Even though we both had seen porno films before having sex we had to learn how to have sexual intercourse properly.

Re: a non-hobby question re sexual experence

I had both experiences. The one and only time of "de-flowering" was with the woman I married at age 21. It was not a pleasant experience for either of us. I know it was meaningful for her, especially since we ended up marrying but definately not physcially pleasant. Compared to that experience, her 1st O was something she had not been told of, and hence, was pleasantly suprised. It was an important step in our increasingly satisfying sexual relationship. We stayed married for close to 20 years, and our sexual relationship was very satisfying, throughout, for both of us. My present wife has told me that she has experienced her first O with me. It seems to have had great importance to her that I have taken the interest and effort to insure the likelihood that she would have that experience. Given she's from a country and culture where, in terms of male/female relationships, 100% of the emphasis is on the man's needs and pleasures, our sex life has steadily deepened the trust and emotional openness she has toward me. I hope this is helpful.

Here's the problem with the second part of your question. In that there is physical evidence that you have "deflowered" a virgin, what proof would one have that you have brought the woman you're with to her 1st orgasm? Obviously, you would have to take her word for it! Not to be a cynic, but have you ever been lied to by a woman? Have you ever lied to a woman? So it would be almost impossible to anser the 2nd part of your post!

Sorry

Re: a non-hobby question re sexual experience

Considering I would probably never meet 90% of you in my lifetime, I have no reason to lie.
(IF I were the guy) I would say I would prefer to bring a woman to her first O. That being said, as a provider, my first real O...was about 2 years into my marriage with my EX...it was the one and ONLY time he was able to bring me to that point.
Losing my virginity was not as terrible as all the stories I had been told. It was a wet feeling...FULL, and a little burning. Other then that I sat up when it was all over (without having that O) and thought...i could take it or leave it.
LOL
THAT was THEN....this is NOW. )
Being more sexually aware of what makes myself tick, strum and pluck to a different beat, I have my toys to help me along or offer help to said gentlemen. ~winks~

I also never really understood the cultural significance of virginity and all that, but I can assure you that whatever it is, it isn't just some male thing. I spent my teen years listening to girls fawn over immature zit-faced teenage boys, professing nauseating amounts of love for boys that at best were so-so in the sack. Why?

I barely remember my first time, other than the fact that it wasn't really that memorable. I don't even think I would recognize the man if I passed him in the street. But I definitely *do* remember my first orgasm (not counting masturbation, lol - but I remember that one too!), and a few other mind-blowing orgasmic milestones that I've hit along the way

Maxine

I've been the "first" in both categories for a number of women.  Two of the more memorable were where I gave the girls (both freshmen in college) their first "O's" before we ever got around to having sex.  One was achieved by a combination of DATY and sliding my uncovered hard-on against her clit.  Because we had no condom, there was no intercourse.  After she squirted, I shot my load all over her bush and stomach.  The next day, I went to drop off some stuff that she'd left in my room, and her roommate asked her right in front of me, "So this is the guy that got you off?!!?"  We dated for about 8 weeks, having sex as often as SHE wanted, which was actually more than I wanted.  Some of it was quite strange.  When she lost her virginity to me, it really wasn't as memorable to me as when she had her first O, or the next day with her roommate (who was sexier than hell) sizing me up.  The other chick, I ended up dating throughout college and ultimately married (still am).  Her first O came when she slept over in my bed.  She had changed into a pair of my shorts and T-shirt.  We were fondling each other.  She started grinding her clit against my raging hard-on and gave herself a major "O".  This time I had condoms on hand.  I suited up and we had sex.  I could tell she was in shock the whole way through.  She didn't know what to make of any of this.  She's since told me, that she remembers the O more than the sex, which I do as well.

I've had the opportunity to be present when two lovely ladies had both experiences. Without a doubt, the first O is a much more pleasant memory. First woman was my high school sweetie and we were both virgins. An interesting thing- after we gained jsut a little experience, we had simultaneous Os almost every time we had sex. Pretty fun stuff for a kid! Second lady was, and is, my wife of 30+ years.

however, I would say that I would much rather be the one who gave a lady her first "O".
To me, the feeling, experience of the first "O" is the one a lady will remember through the years of her "sexual" life.
The first guy to "pop her cherry" will probably fade as time goes on.


Just my opinion...
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