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donbecker54 19 Reviews 1731 reads
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"And I don't care if I'm not particularly good at it, since I have a degree?"

I'd much rather have someone who's in this because she likes it, rather than someone who just can't find a job in her field (PhD in Midwestern Indigenous American navel-gazing studies).

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Do those claims on a hookers website interest you to spend more for some hooker that at least got past high school?

When you do see her..do you just want to ask her to tell you anything...something about her "higher education"?

Or is it simply unimportant...that being said I prefer my gals to at least be working on their Masters in Cock Sucking.

Back_In_Black1942 reads

Post ! Gives me an idea of compatibility, also they usually whack me over the head for some of my comments .then we have make up sex . Now that's the gfe experience !

Panthera121885 reads

Or did you sent her a copy of the Constitution to really piss her off?

And before any action they'll watch Miracle and see how the US beat the Reds.

THEN they can have "angry sex".

Panthera121738 reads

I know BIB has a hockey stick, but I would be weary of what she would show up with. Maybe a vibrating hockey puck?

And just keep on yelling....

AGAIN
AGAIN
AGAIN

Posted By: Panthera12
I know BIB has a hockey stick, but I would be weary of what she would show up with. Maybe a vibrating hockey puck?

Panthera121834 reads

Like being in nursing school for the last 8 years at 45 years old, or just graduated with a PHD, and now working as a hooker full time putting that degree to full use.
All of the extracurricular malarkey is playing to hobbyists that are either fools or new and don't know any better.  

My concerns are that they are young, fit and perform well.

Back_In_Black1663 reads

And for those with a gilf  fetish lovey ?  PSE ginger gfe Maryanne .

And she's still only 35-39 on her TER page

But her reviews go back to 1964.  Do the math!

Back_In_Black1727 reads

U mean she didn't pull them and go utr ?

"And I don't care if I'm not particularly good at it, since I have a degree?"

I'd much rather have someone who's in this because she likes it, rather than someone who just can't find a job in her field (PhD in Midwestern Indigenous American navel-gazing studies).

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The average hobbyists possibly could stand to think the woman sucking his dick has an education. It would shatter his image of a less than human being servicing him for money.  

Personally I prefer to play stupid, as I have nothing to prove to any guy I see in that capacity other than draining his ball sac and stupid lowers the expectation.  

And as Panthera12 put it, half or more than half the guys don't believe it anyway.  

And the stupidity to think that anyone over  the age of 26 could possibly go back to school. I don't think they even admit old people to college;)

Excuse me for being blunt, but I think that's bull. I like intelligent women, and have no such views of any woman having any kind of sex with me. I'd guess that many, if not most,  guys are the same.

That was what the OP asked  LOL

I had a gal a number of years ago advertise that she had received her BS from a local Big 10 University.  Upon arriving she had to tell me "I really didn't go there".  Not sure why she felt compelled to tell me that...but within a few minutes the illusion of her being "smart" was dissipated anyhow.

But man...could she perform a BBBJCIMNQNS.  Damn...look at all those letters after her name  :D

Posted By: donbecker54
Excuse me for being blunt, but I think that's bull. I like intelligent women, and have no such views of any woman having any kind of sex with me. I'd guess that many, if not most,  guys are the same.

...an intelligent conversation it will be a factor in my choosing to return.

There is a big contingent of hobbyists who laugh at the notion of women sucking cock if they have a degree. Most think we are stupid an uneducated and if we did have any teriary education, we'd be working at the chosen profession and not sucking dick.

I am not about to waste time arguing the point with people that have such a notion firmly implanted in their grey matter.

What I or any other lady has as far as education goes matters not to a large portion of men and trying to defend that on here is fruitless. If I want to impart anything, it is when I meet someone and it's appropriate. On here? We get slammed and laughed off the boards. And that's okay, it is a fuck board, not linkedin.

All you have to do is read some of the posts to realize  some of what I said is true for some men on this board.

I wasn't saying you were wrong.  

...and I think Don was just saying he isn't one of the ones you were commenting on. By the way I'm not on of them either.  

In regard to the OP, I don't/won't pay them more because they are educated. I pay them their rate if it fits my budget parameters. Them being educated or at least able to have an intelligent conversation will definitely be one factor in my repeating.

I needed to add a little more sugar to that one. Also I have never seen a hooker add more on to her rate in accordance with said degrees. So I really don;t know where CPa got the "pay more" from. Unless those ladies that are in the upper tier of fee structure all have degrees posted on their websites. In that case maybe he is on to something

I wouldn't say that most men feel that way (that we are stupid and uneducated). Unless my friends are from a sliver of society (both the ones I see now and the ones I saw as a younger, fitter me)... almost all of my gents appreciate my education, and a few are even fellow alumni. I don't think it was *the* factor that made them book, but it certainly helped to make for a great point of common interest.

But if you listen to the most vocal here, I can see why someone may presume the majority feel that way. I believe they are the sliver, not the other way around. ;)

I've been posting on internet forums and chat rooms since the early 90's. I think it's safe to say that the most vocal are very often full of bluster with nothing to back it up. All hat and no cowboy, as they say in Texas.

Pity many of us will never get to meet IRL. Some will be DB but the majority are nothing like the board persona. In mean some of the hard ass ladies on here are probably freaking awesome to be within any situation.

Haha anyone can go to college, knew a guy that never even got his high school diploma start going to school in his 50s and became a licensed physician in his 70s.  I think someone filed a malpractice claim against him though :-/

The provider I'm seeing now wears $800 designer shoes, drives a high-end car, is using her earnings to start her own business, and I'm helping fund all this.

Who's the smart one? ;)

Let's see....

Leasing a car is for those who can't afford it....she leases it

Wearing $ 800 shoes when she is leasing a car...and I'll double down that she doesn't have a nickel saved

Using hooker money to start her own business...same as above.  She doesn't have two nickels to rub together.

Care to take the bet?

Posted By: donbecker54
The provider I'm seeing now wears $800 designer shoes, drives a high-end car, is using her earnings to start her own business, and I'm helping fund all this.  
   
 Who's the smart one? ;)

I never bet, ChgoCPA.  I could lose a bet on which direction the sun rises.  

I've priced some of her clothes, and she probably has enough just in clothes to buy a new Chrysler 300. So the car could be a lease, but just as easily a purchase.  

I wouldn't be surprised at all if she does the business thing.

If I'm wrong, then I get to continue to see her for longer than I expected.

I have a Bachelors degree, but I didn't raise my prices when I got it. I think it just helps men to know they can hold a intelligent conversation with you.

3mdssa1495 reads

But for those select gentlemen who actually enjoy a conversation with a woman instead of just what most of the men on this board are all about (which I don't obviously need to point out) anyone reading here can decipher for themselves............then yes, it works for them. Thank god they come around much more you'd think and are looking for something more than a masters in cock sucking...really. Please. Oh but then again, that'd have to be OTC for you to indulge anyhow in your world. NOT.  

Stupid is as stupid does.  

Now that my friends does not take a college-educated person to 'get it'.  

Posted By: ChgoCPA
Do those claims on a hookers website interest you to spend more for some hooker that at least got past high school?  
   
 When you do see her..do you just want to ask her to tell you anything...something about her "higher education"?  
   
 Or is it simply unimportant...that being said I prefer my gals to at least be working on their Masters in Cock Sucking.  


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Your reply had NOTHING to do with the OP...read the OP...scanning is NOT acceptable  LOL

Here...I'll summarize so you won't have to read the entire couple of sentences again...

Pay more for a hooker with higher than a GED?

Yes or no

See..it's really simple.

I'm guessing you didn't do too well in college...you really do need to read the instructions and questions to pass mid-terms and finals.  Did you go to college?  

Have you read this far?  

Posted By: viptaylorsteele
But for those select gentlemen who actually enjoy a conversation with a woman instead of just what most of the men on this board are all about (which I don't obviously need to point out) anyone reading here can decipher for themselves............then yes, it works for them. Thank god they come around much more you'd think and are looking for something more than a masters in cock sucking...really. Please. Oh but then again, that'd have to be OTC for you to indulge anyhow in your world. NOT.  
   
 Stupid is as stupid does.  
   
 Now that my friends does not take a college-educated person to 'get it'.  
   
Posted By: ChgoCPA
Do those claims on a hookers website interest you to spend more for some hooker that at least got past high school?  
     
  When you do see her..do you just want to ask her to tell you anything...something about her "higher education"?  
     
  Or is it simply unimportant...that being said I prefer my gals to at least be working on their Masters in Cock Sucking.  
 

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3mdssa1482 reads

but my way. And as far as whether or not I went and completed college......well, you all wouldn't believe what I said anyway, so does it really matter? No. Feel free to make whatever assumptions you choose, that is part of the fun now isn't it. Perhaps high school, maybe college or maybe I even carry my masters. Who knows? Up to you to decide. It's Candyland....remember? Rainbows and lollipops? Doesn't matter if I have a mind or not, now does it.........

However, should you pay for a 'lady' who can keep you intrigued, college-educated or not and can speak her own mind on her own accord? Yes, you should imo. It's quite a shame you slyly get away with the ladies in Chicago for some OTC time to appease yourself. You are taking advantage of them. You are paying for their 'time', no matter how you spend that time, eating, drinking, conversing, or the latter. Perhaps you should reconsider the next 'time' you get away with lunch OTC and pay the lady what she is due.

That's like cheating on your taxes now isn't it. I'm sure you would know.

OUCH!!!!

Posted By: viptaylorsteele
but my way. And as far as whether or not I went and completed college......well, you all wouldn't believe what I said anyway, so does it really matter? No. Feel free to make whatever assumptions you choose, that is part of the fun now isn't it. Perhaps high school, maybe college or maybe I even carry my masters. Who knows? Up to you to decide. It's Candyland....remember? Rainbows and lollipops? Doesn't matter if I have a mind or not, now does it.........  
   
 However, should you pay for a 'lady' who can keep you intrigued, college-educated or not and can speak her own mind on her own accord? Yes, you should imo. It's quite a shame you slyly get away with the ladies in Chicago for some OTC time to appease yourself. You are taking advantage of them. You are paying for their 'time', no matter how you spend that time, eating, drinking, conversing, or the latter. Perhaps you should reconsider the next 'time' you get away with lunch OTC and pay the lady what she is due.  
   
 That's like cheating on your taxes now isn't it. I'm sure you would know.

Would "you" (pretend you're a john for a moment as that was who the question was directed at) pay more for a gal if she has a degree beyond a GED.

Again...it's a simple   YES  or  NO

And passing judgement on gals you have never met?  They're big girls and can make their own minds up.  And do...sorry  ;)

Cheating on taxes...understanding the nuances of the intricate Code does afford those who can afford my services the opportunities that others don't have.  Again, to judge what is cheating versus utilizing current law is subjective in many cases.  So you bet I would know  LOL

Posted By: viptaylorsteele
but my way. And as far as whether or not I went and completed college......well, you all wouldn't believe what I said anyway, so does it really matter? No. Feel free to make whatever assumptions you choose, that is part of the fun now isn't it. Perhaps high school, maybe college or maybe I even carry my masters. Who knows? Up to you to decide. It's Candyland....remember? Rainbows and lollipops? Doesn't matter if I have a mind or not, now does it.........  
   
 However, should you pay for a 'lady' who can keep you intrigued, college-educated or not and can speak her own mind on her own accord? Yes, you should imo. It's quite a shame you slyly get away with the ladies in Chicago for some OTC time to appease yourself. You are taking advantage of them. You are paying for their 'time', no matter how you spend that time, eating, drinking, conversing, or the latter. Perhaps you should reconsider the next 'time' you get away with lunch OTC and pay the lady what she is due.  
   
 That's like cheating on your taxes now isn't it. I'm sure you would know.

The "those that can afford me", kind of like a hooker telling a bunch of johns she has a masters. Personally I don't care what the johns I see charge for their services, as long as they pay mine, and leave, I'm happy.

Retired-Guy1635 reads

Having a college degree or even a Masters doesn't necessarily mean your are intelligent.  And someone with a great personality and an eighth grade education might be far more riveting company than a PhD, but the odds are in your favor that there is going to be far more interests in common if she's college educated, so that's something that's nice to know before we meet

spend as much as three days with a hooker?

I guess if all you're doing is paying her for a romp at an hour or two and the rest of the time it's OTC then I can see that.  You're NOT paying her those insane rates to just babble bullshit...are you?

I know you're a smart fella MT...please tell me you're not one of these deluded souls paying someone to be your friend....please!

Oh...so would you pay more if she's a smart one versus a dumb (actually lazy since any asshole can earn a degree) one?

Posted By: MT91151
Having a college degree or even a Masters doesn't necessarily mean your are intelligent.  And someone with a great personality and an eighth grade education might be far more riveting company than a PhD, but the odds are in your favor that there is going to be far more interests in common if she's college educated, so that's something that's nice to know before we meet.  
   
 

Paying someone who possibly thinks you're(generally speaking) gross to suck your dick than paying them to be your friend.  

Still paying someone to put up with you no matter what you're doing

Retired-Guy1828 reads

I wouldn't say its a matter of not being able to find someone to suck whatever because I'm repulsive, it's more a matter of convenience.  I can spend a couple of hours trolling bars, etc. to find a civy that might do a marginal job and cause me immeasurable grief in real life, or I can hire a professional (that I've worked with before) that I know is going to great job every time that comes with little or no drama.

obscured things. My point was paying for an overnight vs paying for 3 hours in the estimation of CPa, he finds paying someone for the extra time  as paying for someone to be friends with you which he obviously finds senseless.

 My point was no matter what you are paying for, whether it is a 3 hour suck and fuck session or an overnight where there is conversation etc. the lady you are with is only there because she is being paid, regardless

But then MT also said he subscribes to the CPA method as well.  Honestly, most guys who see a hooker for more than a suck and fuck subscribe to that method.

I've had clients take me out for golf and I wouldn't think of charging them for "my time".  Same as when they've asked me to join their Company at conventions or shows.  They do pay for my travel, lodging and food when I'm out of town with them...but nothing for my time and expertise (AKA companionship  LOL).

But they are also paying me as a consultant on a regular basis as well.

Kind of the same way a gal will join a guy OTC for dinner/lunch/drinks, or in MT's case going out of town with him.

I don't pay extra for online degrees either  ;)

Posted By: justanillusion
obscured things. My point was paying for an overnight vs paying for 3 hours in the estimation of CPa, he finds paying someone for the extra time  as paying for someone to be friends with you which he obviously finds senseless.  
   
  My point was no matter what you are paying for, whether it is a 3 hour suck and fuck session or an overnight where there is conversation etc. the lady you are with is only there because she is being paid, regardless.  
   
   
   
 

Retired-Guy1357 reads

If I can get away for a few days (or have work obligations that take me to a God forsaken part of the country), what's a couple extra thousand dollars to have somebody hang out with you to make the trip more enjoyable.  Sure I could just call a local up and get hourly rates, but in East Bumblefuck, I probably wouldn't fuck the locals even with your dick bro:)

In the situation where we are spending more than just 60 minutes to meet a sexual desire, it generally helps if there is some compatibility, and with a college degree the probability of compatibility increases.  I'm not sure I pay more for a degree per se, but it seems that the ladies I tend to spend more time with have some level of higher education. Maybe it's just coincidence.  

As for the economics, it really doesn't seem reasonable that I would pay for just the time spent 'romping' if she's flying to see me and giving up other opportunities for income.  There is generally a premium for exclusivity, but there is also a discount for volume.  I'm sure the board doesn't need a lesson on provider economics, but if I subscribed to strict pay to play economic model, then it would be reasonable to expect that when I'm at the office she could be working out of my hotel room, and that's not in my comfort zone.

As for paying them to be my friend...I suppose that's a nice way to put it. but I don't think anyone is delusional enough to think that she would hang out for free.  I think a better way to look at it having exclusive access to her time for a negotiated number of hours/days.  

PS I don't pay extra for online degrees:)

 

Posted By: ChgoCPA
spend as much as three days with a hooker?  
   
 I guess if all you're doing is paying her for a romp at an hour or two and the rest of the time it's OTC then I can see that.  You're NOT paying her those insane rates to just babble bullshit...are you?  
   
 I know you're a smart fella MT...please tell me you're not one of these deluded souls paying someone to be your friend....please!  
   
 Oh...so would you pay more if she's a smart one versus a dumb (actually lazy since any asshole can earn a degree) one?  
   
Posted By: MT91151
Having a college degree or even a Masters doesn't necessarily mean your are intelligent.  And someone with a great personality and an eighth grade education might be far more riveting company than a PhD, but the odds are in your favor that there is going to be far more interests in common if she's college educated, so that's something that's nice to know before we meet.  
     
 

Good answer...and I expected as much from you.

Of course you wouldn't pay a gal to be your friend only...that would be a shocker.

But to have someone around for three days...God bless you my friend  :

Retired-Guy1377 reads

Separate bathrooms helps too :)

Posted By: ChgoCPA
Good answer...and I expected as much from you.  
   
 Of course you wouldn't pay a gal to be your friend only...that would be a shocker.  
   
 But to have someone around for three days...God bless you my friend  :D  
   
 

But I like my own privacy as well.  When I travel with friends and family (they don't even charge me for this...imagine that  LOL) I like to march to my own drummer.

But different strokes for different folks.  And if you can handle that much time with anyone...terrific.

Maybe you send her off to do whatever while you do the same.  Who knows but you.

Do you snore?  I hear that is a common complaint from the gals here.  Shit...I would have to pay 10x the rate so some gal could tolerate that noise (should read as not sleep at all).  Hence..no interest in that gig.

Retired-Guy1593 reads

No snoring here,and I'm not a cover hog either, but that's something you'll never get to find out no matter how much you offered me :)

When I've done the conventions and trade shows with clients however, they like to have a good time.  And make sure I also have a good time.  Still love when those shows are in Vegas  ;)

We can stick to golf...that works for me.  You buying?  Also..no online degrees here.

Posted By: MT91151
No snoring here,and I'm not a cover hog either, but that's something you'll never get to find out no matter how much you offered me :)


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I agree that a college degree doesn't make one intelligent. I personally find that I am more attracted to people that have some formal education and are intelligent. I like guys that are witty and use good grammar.

It would be torture for me to spend time with someone I consider dim-witted. All in all, I feel you can't go wrong with a college education.

I know some PT's...young, cute, hot.

But working with people on walking again isn't what I had in mind.

How about a Masters in Camel Slides?

Which in TER ages she's still only 41-45

I'll bet she could run circles around me though  :D

But I'll bet that 83 y/o can still run circles around me.

This gal...who knows.

Retired-Guy1427 reads

Never met her before, but this seems to be a bit more of a realistic possibility in this world.

That's a bit of ageism...wouldn't you agree?

How about a double...that way you won't offend anyone here  LOL

Retired-Guy1551 reads

Of course if she had a college degree, it might change my mind :)

...and that's what you call keeping on topic.

Posted By: ChgoCPA
That's a bit of ageism...wouldn't you agree?  
   
 How about a double...that way you won't offend anyone here  LOL

But I would think that it has nothing to do with rates. You invest in what you as an individual like and are interested in regardelss of rate or education. A lady's rates are base on how she values herself. College life is an experience like no other and you really have to have been to know it. For me I partied like an animal and fucked like a pornstart during undergrad thats just what you do! And if you have never gotten left in a tub with a penis drawn on yout forehead your not living! :) Just like most blacks I was never raised to graduate high school, get a degree, start a career etc.  Not that this is a racial issue but stats are real and we as a whole carry low numbers and that's just how it is. Only 4% are even able to acknowledge that they obtained a phd which is sad. So yes I endure my program for status and to know that I was able to discipline myself as a researcher. Sure I act childlike even though I have a degree but its only because I choose too. For me it's just about being able to relate to a like minded client and if they went down that path it's just yet another refreshing conversation. Experience is the best teacher and for many their degree(s) represent a journey and since of self accomplishment in my opinion.

 
Signed Professor PlaymateJayla

Panthera121633 reads

speak to your johns on their level. Way to go! Yeah, a mind is a terrible thing to waste especially for the tax payer.

Supposed "educated" hookers are the most inhibited. FTS!

To make you so miserable? If it was a woman, move on they are not all that bad. Isn't that what guys tell us when we finish with a horses ass of a BF? Not all men are dickwads.

In fact I aspire to the "positive experiences" here that you enjoy with others lol.

You're misreading me. I have disdain for assinine behavior on both sides of this coin I assure you.

going on on with my dick in her mouth for a 1 hour date
but happy they are smarter than I.

I Love Her

Someone said something above about well educated idiots, and I have to agree with that comment, I didn't read much else. But I have to say, even though I did complete some college, I feel like life has taught me way more than school ever did. Yeah, learning can be really interesting and I do love having an intelligent conversation with stimulating like-minded folks, but I know many wise, illiterate people. It is all your perception of intelligence. Even if I did finally achieve my educational goals, I wouldn't think they would be noted when it comes to my current career. It just doesn't really apply. If I need to prove to you how smart I am, you can talk to me and find out. A piece of paper doesn't mean a thin to anyone, but yourself, and your boss whenever you get a real job.

Check this book out:

http://www.ellsberg.com/the-education-of-millionaires

“Your success in a knowledge society depends on mastery of soft skills and practical intelligence–and yet they don’t show up in college or high school curriculums. Ellsberg’s rebellious book provides a street–smart education to fill the gap.”
—Keith Ferrazzi, author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Who’s Got Your Back

He interviews several self-made millionaires, none of whom had a formal education in order to make their first millions. ;)

Many did go back to school later though.

...the gentlemen who seek ladies with more extensive or continued educations are those that seek more than the hourly visit. They are commonly seeking more than a warm hole to stick but actually a good conversationalist, someone they can build a rapport with and enjoy wholly on mulitple levels.
The gentlemen who do not care about a womans backround or interests or those that choose not to acknowledge the lady as an entity with a brain or feelings and instead are only interested in her stats, rates, location etc are generally the type who ask for discounts, specials and half hour rates
In turn I would feel safe guessing the ladies who advertise their education on their ad or website may be trying to attract the higher quality clientele that would consider a continued education a selling point.
I do not mean to offend the original poster however, as he asked this with the implied confusion as to why this would be important I can only gather maybe he is the sort not to care about whether she can form complete sentences only that she can perform menu options to his satisfaction

Posted By: ChgoCPA
Do those claims on a hookers website interest you to spend more for some hooker that at least got past high school?  
   
 When you do see her..do you just want to ask her to tell you anything...something about her "higher education"?  
   
 Or is it simply unimportant...that being said I prefer my gals to at least be working on their Masters in Cock Sucking.  

to find out whether that can solve Hilberts 16th problem!

I  am sending hom e- mail about Black Scholes .. model  and   wait then  what he will respond .. ha ha what kind holes he think I am talking about .. seriously .. I met  soo many red necks graduated form Harvard  .... ones who believe that if he knows  what is about Anna Karenina or War and Peace .. then he is .. on the  top of Maslow Hierarchy  
and yes ..  eduction does not constitute an intelligence  ..  here I am agree with you  totally .. but it is truth the most in states .. becuase your colleges here concentrating more on skills .. then on overall  performance .

Same with escorts .
 Missing  the most important ingredients you know ..
 so I am talking to you now form Europe so relax my dear  mates .. just few able to meet me!!  some of you were lucky to meet  before I do not think  that I would repeat them   for any roses  but they any way  not a florists  in mind  
some of them but some of my lovers !!!  Cant WAIT to meet you ..Kisses and Licks and all my LOVE   you know    when you read it and smile :) kisses again   be back Asta La Vista

I stumbled upon the wrong neighborhood...

Posted By: ChgoCPA
Do those claims on a hookers website interest you to spend more for some hooker that at least got past high school?  
   
 When you do see her..do you just want to ask her to tell you anything...something about her "higher education"?  
   
 Or is it simply unimportant...that being said I prefer my gals to at least be working on their Masters in Cock Sucking.  

successful non graduates from high school wielding nothing  but a will to learn a trade n work hard and some skill. tghat u cannot buy or obtain from books, my father n family consist of all rich successful, rather street smart hard heavy hitters whom rose from the ashes n came out amarter faster n more driven than somne college educated wimbly trust fund babies I have met n dated whom decide to step down n take food stamos n work as below poverty level when they ve been so privileged n went to ivy league schools n have millionaires as parents whom also don't hit or scream n are like annoyingly perfect.  
       my father got expelled for punchin an abusing=ve teacher at 15 whom smashed his hands in a lift up desk as he joked behind it to a friend next to him, he jumped uo n knocked the teacher out never to return again, he began as a potato bag delivery boy in some union in southin in 60 s and was so poor my mother payed his union dues for him , he got taken in by successful "trades men" and learned himself a trade and excelled, . owned many mnay properties and store fronts and even cigarette boats n sports cars in his hey day after all the hard work. he got hired to do wprk at a millionaire baseball players mansion states away and came home tellin the story of his separate room for shoes n the amazing mansion he was hired to do his particular trade he mastered,  
               other mebers my family are dyslexic over came drug addiction and alcoholism and are all rubbin elbow w politicians and running huge huge money business and well respected.  
                                         have some respect for those of us in the trades . it takes talent drive and schooling, wether by training alongside n have some one take u under wing who believes in u n wants to help u, or gettn an equivalency exam at an adult education center to get thru admissions for the course nessecary. for me I am an accomplished musician and front woman have gotten endorsements in my carreer as a singer songwriter front woman.  
   I have won savings bonds awarded to me at ceremonies printed in local papers thru my excellence in the art of sculpture.  
I have made a handsome living from both my singing music talents and artistic gifts in sculpture and painting, we thru many many art shows in which I made good money selling my art. I chose to boycott book studies at age 15 and ventured into boston and attended every music jam I could find and spent my days n nights singing takn guitar lessons and making art. and makn a good living singing in Harvard square coffe shops n all over boston as early as 15.  
all my friends at that time were in 30 s and I don't understand the un educated people whom jump to a conclusion things can be so black n white.  
   college education in no way equals brains intelligence livels, or quality of life for rich or poor. I have seen many folks w education college level whom never got their rocks off as young adolescent n teens n are totallyt out of control but at an old age as they don't experience life til college n after, some whom lived fast n hard n were adventurous rebels r the same ones whom end up havn those college educated you assume means class n brains n togetherness n heart n soul and quality and substance. some these rebels end up havn the late bloomers eat their dust as they fly thru life with lkuxury not from a piece of paper or braggn rights of college degree but the self confidence and wisdom that springs forth from lessons only life can teach and experience, and maybe some hard times, ..I d choose to seek the company of the street smart self made kids over the snooty unworldly bragger s of college education, I d choose the company of the kid whose parents beat him n was learnin life on the mean streets n his survival n drive trump and rich kids college degree and sit the two in a bar n see who has the more wisdom, and who is the socially inept bore with nothing to speak of but what mommy n daddy gave them they didn't work for , and how ungrateful n stupid they truly are,

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