Recently I had a provider cancel on me a few days in advance. I mentioned this to another forum member in a PM, and he was of the opinion that I was probably bumped for a better offer, whatever that might be.

If you got bumped, that's more likely what went down. You wanted to schedule an hour, and she thought that was fine, but then somebody wanted to book three, and she thought she couldn't do both, so...she went with the longer session. Or, this close to the holidays, it might have been something to do with that. That's why I never bet on women or horses. They're both too unpredictable.

Her rate is her rate. If she cancels she cancels. I'm not about to offer more money for her to un cancel!

While it has never happened to me, if it did and 'getting a better offer' was the reason, I'm certain I would spend my time elsewhere as with a little research I'm sure I could do better too.

The information I had was:

Bottom line.  

I had a very highly rated (worldwide top 100) lady cancel on me two weeks ago because she "twisted her knee".  She was very sincere, and I believe her.  I also know it was Saturday night in a large metropolitan area and I had only booked an hour....

One is, is the excuse consistent with what you know about the provider?  e.g. she says her dad had a medical emergency, and you already know her dad is in poor health and she's looking after him. Another is, how regretful is the provider for cancelling?  e.g. she apologizes profusely and makes a concrete offer to make up for it such as a discount next time.  

It's kind of discouraging to me that you give NO weight to character when making a choice :/ And will even compensate EXTRA to reward bad character. Not trying to moralize, but as someone who doesn't behave in this way, it's really just discouraging to see those types of antics constantly being rewarded around here. And they are constantly rewarded.

In general a good paying regular will beat a new bee because she know he will show and and now to down bid.

A few years ago in Phoenix, a lady cancelled on me because her grandmother died.  Seemed sincere and it was three days in advance so it didn't inconvenience me much.

And I can't believe it but I am actually pissed you would insult the women I see. I like them as people and they really turn me on and don't lump them in with anyone else. If I see a woman again it is because I like being around them and not just their hotness. And I wouldn't consider seeing someone new who had a reputation for bullshit or drama.  

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If I have an appointment and am "bumped" I don't really want to reschedule at any rate, much less double her usual rate.

I guess some guys buy into the hype of all the 10-10 reviews and think to themselves "I have to have THIS woman" personally I don't think that way, and I to quote a wise man "I will pay for pussy, I will beg for pussy, but I will NOT beg to pay for pussy"

Alex, can I continue in the category of "Dumb things desperate johns do" for $800 please?

Earlier in my hobby life I was frustrated with so many cancellations and NCNS's. This was especially problematic when I was traveling.  Back then when I was visiting a city for a few days I tended to want company every evening and only booked 1 hr appts. Providers that I already knew were never a prob but,  the rate of cancellations with ladies I had yet to meet was alarmingly high.  It finally dawned on me that I was compeating with gents requesting multi hr appts.   Cancellations and NS for this reason suck , but I get it.

And yes, she canceled appointments to accommodate my request. You can call me a sucker, but that's what I wanted and I'm not losing any sleep over it. I do believe that there are other fish in the sea, but if you gauge her to be a true "once in a lifetime," then go for it and ask her what would make it worth her while. Maybe you were the only appointment and she didn't feel the trip was worth it. Maybe she got an offer for an overnight. You just have to determine what you're willing to pay for, and if the price tag stresses you out, then definitely don't because all you'll be thinking about during the appointment is getting your money's worth.  

First of all, you never said you only did this ONCE, and you were essentially positing it as a reasonable (or at least common) business practice, that some guy (dumb and desperate enough) might think is a good idea.  

While I don't agree that there are a lot of hobbyists saying they will pay more for a time slot, but it is more prevalent that a hobbyist will pay for more hours thus bumping a one hour session. I don't think there are many hookers who would turn down a 3 hour session on a Friday when there is only a single one hour booking that would overlap. Common sense dictates that

If a girl relies upon repeat clientele, she'll have a lot invested in being reliable and not cancelling her appointments on a whim.  

Zero times zero still equals zero and you are not a hobbyist getting bumped.

Also, I wrote this in the post you first responded to.  

seems everyone is in one of two camps on this, the viscerally opposed or the more sanguine "it is what it is, cash rules" crowd. The reason I would never do it is simple, I want the monetary part of this to be as far in the background and ideally not discussed or even mentioned. I'm a far cry from delusional about this little recreational activity but I enjoy preserving, as much as possible, the fantasy that I showed up at a hot girl's door and she invited me in to fuck my brains out. A bidding war just chucks a grenade right into that, no thanks.

If you had a one hour session booked by a first time hobbyist, and along came another first time hobbyist who wants a 3 hour session and they overlap, what would you do? Take the 1 hour and hope the 3 hour books again?

You have a ton of reviews and are very savvy but you seem to have started in 2012? Not knocking you just pointing it out because I started before the internet had anything to do with hookers. And let me tell you it was very different: just utter total chaos and word of mouth... I love TER etc but I wonder if you would feel the same way if you had started in the early 90's or 80's or 70's...  

But OP does claim to be new to the hobby. Whoever suggested offering to double the rate gave poor advice.

I haven't had that particular thing happen, but in the past, I refused a new 3-hour guy for a grandfathered 1-hour guy I ended up firing anyway, lol.  

Let's reverse it to reflect the real situation. I'm an 8-time repeat who does 3-4 hours each time. If I was bumped, what was I bumped for? An overnight?

Me: Hey, I want to see you tonight!

Many ways to approach this sport, I've simply found that more often than not I get the most satisfaction when it feels like I happened upon a horny girl who just had to have me right then and there. I experienced that IRL in my 20s a few times so I guess I try to replicate that in this arena. That, and I've met a few girls doing this that I genuinely enjoy being around because they are genuine people. As to whether I'd feel the same way if I started earlier, that strikes me as being rather like assign a teenager if he'd feel the same way about Instagram if he grew up taking Polaroids, how can one answer that?

His was a matter of getting canceled on, and you being proactive is a HUGE difference from him being reactive.

I can see being the "bumper" rather than the "bumpee" but once that ship has sailed and she has disrespected you by cancelling, you simply can't undo that action and do this while keeping your balls intact.

What you advise "can" work given the situation you now describe, but as a reaction to being cancelled on, it only makes you a sucker deserving nothing better than to be further shat upon, as you have proven that you will not only accept bad behavior, but that you will actually reward it.

when she retires and is gone forever will you find another lady to take her place?  

and I agree with Panthera, what's she is trying to tell you is that you are not "all that" in her book.

Actions speak louder than words, the fact that you would even consider giving her ANY money at this point, much less more money, necessitates me revoking your man card until further notice.

Dude, I don't want to be harsh, but you really need to grow a set. She is dissing you repeatedly no matter how much money you throw at her, how much more are you going to take before you get the hint?

But then make fun of a girl for taking the appointment offering more money.

The ABSOLUTE worst thing he can do is offer her more money. She already knows she has him wrapped around her finger. If he offers her more money there is no limit to the hoops she might start asking him to jump through.

I have revised my opinion, and my advice now is DUMP THE BITCH!!! No pussy is worth the crap he is putting himself through, and notice I put the blame on him, not her. He is bringing this all upon himself, and this has devolved into a thread every bit as pitiful as a "I've fallen for a hooker" thread.

The issue isn't the provider taking more money, but the customer being willing to bid up the price. If the provider can get $2000 by canceling last minute on a $500 date from a regular, then sure.

It appears that skarpy is trying to put words in your mouth. I am glad that you aren't going to play this silly little game that she is playing with you.

Check your mailbox, your man card should be returned to you shortly. It will be sent "postage due" of course though. lol

Ever think of that? Just because you throw wads of cash at her could mean that she loves the money but merely tolerates you.

If that is your business model, then I applaud you. However, I don't think that most providers are driven by such practices, especially when money is involved.

Don't be a Debbie Desperate.  

Because many hookers are horrible money managers and wasteful spenders. They would rather live beyond their means. I know many hookers who have made a ton of money but yet have nothing to show for it. No savings, no IRA's no properties, no nothing.

I'm not the one who's willing to pay more. I'm also not the one who's willing to put up with this. I'm done with it.

Doctors often cancel when they get a better offer, ie. going into surgery. Not surprisingly surgery pays a lot more than a regular office call.

The idea that any lady is so unique and desirable that if she cancels on me the correct response is to offer her more money to meet is crazy. Let me count the ways:

You have more to agree with the "guys" than the gals..

The BSU candidates should really be embarrassed that "mere" girls like you, Steph, H+T and many others can hang with the "boys" as full equals, while there are grown ass men sniveling like little girls about how "mean" we are.

I will give Admin credit for having come a long ways over the last couple of years where it comes to "getting it" but that post from last night proves that they have a LONG ways to go.

BTW, don't ever trade in your vajayjay for a dick. You can always trade pussy for almost anything in life that you will ever need, being able to pee standing up will never compare to that. lol

That IF HE WANTED TO SEE HER AGAIN, that the best way to do it was: call her right before and bump the chump in front of him in line.  

Unfortunately, it's not only prostitutes who live beyond their means, but I'm sure the temptation is much higher with the cash flow the way it is, as opposed to the same amount every other week in a check.  

She does this to everybody. It is her business model (albeit shortsighted). She even has to run around behind her assistant!!! I think she is a flake and not a con artist.  

I've seen her several times. So the day before we meet she texts me an says she has to change locations due to security issues (nosy neighbors). I get  the new location a few hours later. The next morning I have an email from her assistant saying she has to cancel due to a bad location. The assistant is not aware that i contact the provider directly and already heard this story yesterday. So I text the provider assuming her assistant was incorrect about canceling. She said no. She had been contacted for an overnighter and didn't think she would be able to make it for our appointment. I was actually happy. Saved me a lot of money. I've been playing too much anyway and wasn't really feeling it. So I give her credit for being honest and saving me some bucks.

I think giving (too much) more than said rate is only asking to be taken advantage of in the future. I'm more talking about taking a longer date over a shorter date above.  

Mostly because I just want to jerk off on things and pee standing up.

Totally agree.   In my line of work I've never fired a client (although it was tempting), nor would I dream of doing so just because a better paying client came along.  And somehow I managed to pay my bills Besides, how does someone sell a girlfriend experience on the one hand and then bump the 'boyfriend' when a better opportunity comes along?... uh, wait a minute - ok, maybe that is more like the girlfriend experience than I... hmmm

Well...

FWIW I've never gotten a "better offer" and if I did, I would probably think he was LE and I'd add him to my DNS list lmao. If I cancel, it's because something came up that was important in my life. Not because I got a better offer.  

But I'm not sure if the guy who said it was a wise man, or just a wiseguy.

I have received request from guys who want to see me at a time that I'm already booked, for a longer appoitment, and it never once crossed my mind to cancel on my existing date. That's just bad business. Besides, I've usually built up a rapport with my  guys and to cancel on them for a "better offer", would be kinda cruel, IMO. Time is money, and I've already invested in my existing appointments. And one thing I hate more than anyting, is having my time wasted, whether it is my fault or somebody else's.  

When I am booking a date, he is booked unless he cancels or something that renders me unable to absolutely give my best to him comes up. I have had other offers arise after booking a date and I try to schedule it some other time. It does not matter if it's more time which of course means more money. Wow!! Now I can get guys to bid and double my donations!!!! Whoo flipping woo!! lol! The fact that the conversations, at least some of it, is to book longer time or offer double to secure your spot is truly leaving me stunned! I appreciate the business and like the company. I book and we see each other at the appointed time. If another wants that time I will book him for another time. If it doesn't work it, it doesn't. I have gotten burned doing this too so. Having guys cancel their time knowing I could have had a date for that time. Interesting read though, wow

I didn't take any offense at all, in fact I think generational differences of any kind are interesting but ultimately not very explainable as different generations tend to have such vastly different contexts for their experiences.

I agree totally. I guess I'm fortunate in that I have 3 ATF's, all awesome ladies that I adore and totally click with in the sack. I would just as happily see one as the other, and at least one of them is always available when I feel like some company. So I've never found myself in the situation the OP'er described. If I was him, I would shop around. No one lady has a monopoly on great sex. Hell, he might find someone he likes better! ~~~~~Rob

There are a million reasons ladies and gentlemen have to cancel a session. The vast majority of them are legitimate reasons. Whether you're the lady or the gentleman you can't jump to any conclusions. If you don't believe, or even if you don't know the reason for canceling, you shouldn't take the low road. If either takes the low road, then she'll be losing a client, or you'll be losing a lady. Most people don't want that to happen, so you take the high road.  

HAS THE " COOTIES " LMAO @ BIDDING ..hope shes not colored ya know we did away that years ago ..lol .who the fuck are you bidding against ?? this is ridiculous , they should pay us I mean we are helping these girls out since they cant get a date ..and they have no clothes and answer the door in underwear .. its kinda sad , really it is .. and then we have to feed them and write about it so our friends chip in too.  a hell of a lot of work for a girl we really don't even know ..

You interested?

I won't debate whether the excuse is true or not. I have no idea. My problem is that, to get to the best metro area for providers, I have to leave on Saturday morning, get a hotel, meet with the lady on Sunday early afternoon, then get home late Sunday night.

to me her "bread and butter" so to speak are two other clients - not me - who she sees every time she's in town. they are priority when she determines availability. that's cool with me. I'm not always available for her when she asks either so, no big deal.

you need to relocate! lol

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And of course "sidn 't" = "didn't"

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Wow! That's quite an elaborate set up just to have a little fun. My suggestion is to do what I do. Plan a variety of other activities just in case she doesn't work out. In fact, it wouldn't be a bad idea to be pre screened for several different ladies in your metro area. If one bails, call another. Back in the day, we used to have a list of ten numbers we carried around with us, just in case we got excited at work. But also, in case we got stood up. I remember one time after I got stood up, I called all ten numbers and struck out. But another time, after a no show, the second number on my list turned out to be a long time atf. Or, you might consider scheduling two different ladies in one day, a few hours apart. I'll do that occasionally just for fun. You might want to make it your norm, if it's feasible. Good luck!

I said that since this girl is running an auction, do you want sealed bids? That was it on the bidding.  

It is a ridiculous amount of work for a little fun. What's available in my area, though, makes Backpage look like Playboy. Plus, this being the "buckle of the Bible Belt", LE is much more interested in prostitution than they are in most other locales. That's probably why very few touring providers come here.

You're the one who proposed the bidding. You were going to start this thread, but I beat you to it.  

Considering that for you to hobby, it takes a few thousand and a couple of days to leave your "bible belt home in the sticks" to head to the big city, which has also seemed to be hit or miss for you. With that in mind, why don't you just budget a little more money, and just a little more time and hop a plane to somewhere like Costa Rica or the DR where you are literally guaranteed a good time.

Just for the record, I am sure you can catch a round trip flight for less than a grand. It's a 3 1/2 hours round trip flight from Atlanta on Delta who has two non stop flights a day, plus connecting flight of course. Once you get there, a hundred bucks a night for a hotel, a couple of hundred for eats, drinks and cabs. You can have see as many ticas as you could possibly ever want for another five hundred bucks a day. By "all you want" I mean two hour long sessions and a third chica that you keep all night, and the best thing is, you will NEVER have to worry about being stood up again.

Either tomorrow or Tuesday most likely. lol

Wednesday at the very latest. I have a bit of business I have to attend to before I can leave, if I can get it done in the morning I will try to catch an afternoon flight tomorrow. If not, I might get stuck here and extra day or so.

Don't worry, It's never more than about a month in between trips, usually just a couple of weeks.

As for Italy, if you go make a note to yourself that Lugano Switzerland is only a short hop away. It is an international smorgasbord of talent. You will find women from virtually every country in the world there, AND it is perfectly legal. Just one more feather to keep in your hat. lol

GaG, I've thought about that a lot, and have done some research, although no research would be complete without peppering you with questions.