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Couple of questions
CourageousCat 2184 reads
posted
1 / 26

...not exactly (And wow, do I wish that we had LG back and an active "Erotic Highway" board--that would be the better place for this kind of post--anyway:)

No, I haven't fallen in love with this provider--seriously.  However:  We have a lot in common; many similar interests, many of which have absolutely nothing to do with the hobby.  She's kind of very "out" in her approach to her work: Facebook, Twitter, etc, accounts all in her stage name--it's part of her approach to the business.  After we'd had a playdate or two, I created a "stage name" Twitter account, just so that we could keep up the flirty fun.

Now it's like a tiger by the tail thing:  She has 11 trillion Twitter followers and Facebook friends, I know she has an IRL bf, and yet we are text chatting with each other (no more Twitter for us) at length (sometimes for hours at a time) at least every other day (sometimes daily for long stretches).

Again:  I have not fallen in love with her, and I know she has a bf--but she's become a very real friend to me (in addition to the fact that our actual playdates are the most fun I've ever had with my pants off)--and (I hope I'm not deluding myself) I think I'm a very real friend to her also.

Bantering with her via text (much of which is now mundane non-flirty "how's your day going?" banter) is just a riot.  A real day-brightener for me.

So the question is this:  Is this kind of relationship (I guess call it "provider/hobbyist with benefits"?  Clever, eh?) at all normal?  I've been in the hobby steadily for several years now. I admit, I occasionally just send "Hi, how'ya doing?" emails to my favorite providers--especially if I haven't seen them in awhile, and don't want to end up needing to be re-screened if I know I'm going to want to repeat but that it will be awhile until I'll be in her city next.  But that's just common sense.

This is totally different.  To me, it feels like the same sort of relationship I have with several other friends where we're all kind of busy, and don't have time to chat on the phone at length, so we send some texts back and forth every so often to stay in touch.  But I don't text anybody as often as this--and it's not a one-way street--she's texting right back.  And keep in mind, she's a much sought-after provider/porn star, with tons of friends and zillions of fans--and yet she seems to make an extra effort to stay in touch with me.

Is it really possible that she's playing along just so that I'll stay interested?  Maybe that's part of it, but it can't be the only reason, can it?

I'm not being played here in any real way:  I know she has a bf, I'd be seeing her professionally with or without the text banter.  This is just something extra--which I don't think I've ever quite had--or even thought was possible.

Am I missing something here?  Or should I just consider myself lucky to have something of a real-life friend in addition to having found a dream provider?

Thoughts?

bootyluvr1 4 Reviews 641 reads
posted
2 / 26

I am having a very similar experience to with my favorite provider. We have gone to lunch and email all the time. i was wondering the same things. I just decided to go with it but realize that we are still a clint/ provider relationship that way i stay grounded and do not get emotionally attached,
hopefully. Good luck to you.

AlexandraMilw See my TER Reviews 683 reads
posted
3 / 26

Ok first off it can be a real thing...Yes it can BUT

But IMO you are being played. Do not do the fall in love shit. Really. A lot of gals will do whatever for the money! Many gals text to try to get MONEY, not YOU. You are both crossing the line and you will be hurt in the end.  

It's great to connect with someone. I have a few regulars that I spend time with OTC and we get how it goes. You need to know the difference or be hurt. OK?  

Let's face it, you say you haven't fallen in love... but you have. Your OP says it all.

Stop thinking with little head and think straight.  
Posted By: CourageousCat
...not exactly (And wow, do I wish that we had LG back and an active "Erotic Highway" board--that would be the better place for this kind of post--anyway:)

No, I haven't fallen in love with this provider--seriously.  However:  We have a lot in common; many similar interests, many of which have absolutely nothing to do with the hobby.  She's kind of very "out" in her approach to her work: Facebook, Twitter, etc, accounts all in her stage name--it's part of her approach to the business.  After we'd had a playdate or two, I created a "stage name" Twitter account, just so that we could keep up the flirty fun.

Now it's like a tiger by the tail thing:  She has 11 trillion Twitter followers and Facebook friends, I know she has an IRL bf, and yet we are text chatting with each other (no more Twitter for us) at length (sometimes for hours at a time) at least every other day (sometimes daily for long stretches).

Again:  I have not fallen in love with her, and I know she has a bf--but she's become a very real friend to me (in addition to the fact that our actual playdates are the most fun I've ever had with my pants off)--and (I hope I'm not deluding myself) I think I'm a very real friend to her also.

Bantering with her via text (much of which is now mundane non-flirty "how's your day going?" banter) is just a riot.  A real day-brightener for me.

So the question is this:  Is this kind of relationship (I guess call it "provider/hobbyist with benefits"?  Clever, eh?) at all normal?  I've been in the hobby steadily for several years now. I admit, I occasionally just send "Hi, how'ya doing?" emails to my favorite providers--especially if I haven't seen them in awhile, and don't want to end up needing to be re-screened if I know I'm going to want to repeat but that it will be awhile until I'll be in her city next.  But that's just common sense.

This is totally different.  To me, it feels like the same sort of relationship I have with several other friends where we're all kind of busy, and don't have time to chat on the phone at length, so we send some texts back and forth every so often to stay in touch.  But I don't text anybody as often as this--and it's not a one-way street--she's texting right back.  And keep in mind, she's a much sought-after provider/porn star, with tons of friends and zillions of fans--and yet she seems to make an extra effort to stay in touch with me.

Is it really possible that she's playing along just so that I'll stay interested?  Maybe that's part of it, but it can't be the only reason, can it?

I'm not being played here in any real way:  I know she has a bf, I'd be seeing her professionally with or without the text banter.  This is just something extra--which I don't think I've ever quite had--or even thought was possible.

Am I missing something here?  Or should I just consider myself lucky to have something of a real-life friend in addition to having found a dream provider?

Thoughts?

escalade1964 65 Reviews 455 reads
posted
4 / 26

I respond to the "PM's", Texts and E-Mails if I have time but do not initiate unless I am looking for a date. Some are better than others at making you feel, the way you feel but I think it is a game.

Some ladies would even say you are too "Needy" and stay away from the type of hobbyist that blow up their phone and e-mail all day. Not saying you are sir but many complain that some do.

SinCitySinner 67 Reviews 599 reads
posted
5 / 26

are way too much obsessed with giving every relationship a label.  

Just enjoy the moment. I don't think you are in love, but I do feel you are about to fall in love.  And when you do fall in love, come back here and post a, "I-have-fallen-for-a-hooker-so-bad-I-broke-my-back" thread... :D

There is NO such rule that one shouldn't fall in love with a hooker. The reason why a lot of people advise against it is because it typically ends up in a bad way.

inicky46 61 Reviews 543 reads
posted
6 / 26

So it's impossible to say if you're heading for trouble.  Yes, it does happen a lot.  But I also know of several providers who are married to former clients.  I also have friendships with a few providers, although they have their limits.  I don't get into regular exchanges with them, but we'll email each other with info we think the other should have.
Over the years I've evolved friendships with both providers and mongers and it's one of the things I've enjoyed about this world.  It's nice when its about more than the transaction.

The-Sage-of-Hobbying 437 reads
posted
7 / 26

Who I began seeing years ago as escort/hobbyist. I was one of the few who she could tell wasn't just interested in getting in her pants. When a close male friend who had been a bit of a life mentor to her passed away, she had no one else to turn to. I helped her out (non-monetarily) where I could. Advice on health, travel, school, phones, relationships. Literally thousands of emails.  

We still get together periodically, but no money is exchanged. We always wind up naked, but it doesn't always lead to intercourse. I love just cuddling up naked in bed and chatting. I look at it more like I am giving her a 'calm port' where she can let her guard down and relax, since she doesn't have someone, apart from female provider friends, who knows 'her story'. It's a pressure relief valve for her. She has a BF who doesn't know what she does. She's been burned in the past with BF's whom she opened up to, only to be rejected.  

How long will it last? Who knows. But she knows she always has someone she can confide in who has no ulterior motive.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 456 reads
posted
8 / 26

They were all fun for a while, just like you describe.

About half petered out on their own, which is about the best you can hope for; about half ended sadly, to borrow from Tolstoy:  "each in their own way."

And, one developed into a RL relationship, still unfolding day by day, for the last several years.

How this goes is up to you two. Toss the maps away and keep your eyes and hearts open.

It's probably a good thing that she has a RL boyfriend, as long as he is cool with it.  Triangles have sharp edges, you know.

Best of luck with this, and let us know how it's going.

BossMonger 471 reads
posted
9 / 26

I was friends with a provider a year ago and had the same sort do texting/calling relationship that you have. Her bf got annoyed at first, then very jealous of the texting (but didn't mind her fucking for money)  and told her it was me or him. She chose him so I stopped seeing her. I missed the interaction but got over it pretty quickly (seeing a few new girls helps a lot). Let it run its course. If you keep your hands on your money and spend it as YOU want, all will work out. Just be careful.

anonymousfun 6 Reviews 444 reads
posted
10 / 26

Why are you repeating “I am not fallen in love with her”? Are you trying to prove it yourself or someone else. Truthfully, no one’s opinion matters if have or if you haven’t.

Second, there not even 1 trillion people on the planet so it is impossible to 11 trillion followers on anything. All it means there are more fakes than real ones. The goal population of  Earth is 6.974 billion (2011) and it can only support around 8 billion total at the current rate of consumption. If the rest of the world consumes as much as the US, Earth can only support ~ 4 to 5 billion people.

Bromios 7 Reviews 486 reads
posted
11 / 26

You say you're not falling for her, but if you're texting for hours you are clearly into her in some big way.  She may be into you too, or she may just be working you.  But do you text your best buddy for hours?  Text ugly or annoying girls?  Exactly.

Either way, if you're single, your call. If you're married or with someone, you're already way over the sanity line.

cspatz 68 Reviews 435 reads
posted
12 / 26

She has a bf, you pay her for her time. She texts you and you feel "special". Think about Anthony Weiner and how special he is to those women.

tg_baby 428 reads
posted
13 / 26

Has facebook, twitter with 1 trillion followers, etc....it's one thing to foster that as part of 'business' - it's another to devote that much time and energy to networking just for the sake of marketing. To me, it follows that she is not only open to having social interactions within the hobby, but possibly enjoys that, and welcomes it for its own sake.  Her conversations with you via text might be an extension of that. It also follows (to my way of thinking) that she genuinely likes you as a person, if she is willing to extend herself in that way.  

It can be very lonely to be a full-time provider. Clients can compromise a large percentage of social interactions. Even if she has a busy social life outside the hobby....as a 'much sought-after provider/porn star', she either has to tell a lot of lies, or endure judgement and rejection. But with clients, she can be herself, and be valued for herself as well as for her professional accomplishments. She can't quite get friends like you at the neighborhood tupperware party. So it's natural for her to seek out meaningful interactions with clients she likes.

Just don't read so much into it!!! It sounds like your mind is leaping and bounding to 'what if', whether you are admitting it or not. Unfortunately, this is how most clients do react to the kind of interaction you are describing (to anybody reading this who disagrees, I said *most*, and if you're on this board you probably have much more perspective than the average client).

GaGambler 484 reads
posted
14 / 26

Can I just say "what she said" in place of my own response. Except maybe to add that while the OP might not be "in love" he is definitely well past "in like" with this young lady.

These are the conversations she should be having with her BF, the fact that she is having them with you most likely means she isn't getting it at home. Or she bores easily and just likes to have a friendly ear. Only time will tell. tg_baby gives good advice when she says "don't read so much into it"

BTW I have "relationships" like this with hookers all the time, sometimes it leads to something, sometimes it doesn't. Don't set yourself up for a fall, just enjoy the moment and see where it leads. However, you need to be prepared for the very likely reality that it will lead nowhere.

LillianLove See my TER Reviews 517 reads
posted
15 / 26

So iv read your post and think that's its pretty interesting because I have similar relationships with select clients. I also have a live in BF IRL. However, I have one client in particular that's become more of a friend and lover than a client. Yes all interactions are still paid for. But we text each other back and forth because we truly do like talking to each other. I have even met his wife and we all went to a music festival together. I could say at times he's my number 2.  

Maybe that's just the type of girl I am but I yearn for connection. I offer FBSM Tantra and light bdsm. But clearly this relationship goes beyond any of those titles. However the truth is even if the money were to stop we would always be friends. We just wouldn't have sessions any longer. When this is your career time is money.  

Hence I think your connection sounds genuine but from my perspective unless she clearly states she wants more it will always be a donation based relationship.

WondersOfTheWrld 465 reads
posted
16 / 26

he books overnights often and I want to keep him interested. He wants to be with me, so chatting via email and text often gives the illusion that I care about him, and then he continues to book me.

She might just like talking to you or she may be talking to you to make you think she likes you so you will book often. Either way, just enjoy it and don't read too much into it because you never know what her true intentions are..................

justanillusion 472 reads
posted
17 / 26

Interesting use of words. She might be doing a bit of extra work to keep him interested, something along the lines of escorts having OTC meals, answering emails that are not for the purpose of booking etc. Not unlike a guy who spends 5 hours playing golf with a client, or his he playing his client?

I am doing this to make money, not life long friends. However, I will do what I deem is necessary to do that within the limits I set. If it means some hand holding, some extra emails etc. I will go there. Just like business men do with their clients.

People in this game have to be grown up and remember, if it were not for the money, you and your ATF would never have met. Whatever happens after that is most likely part of the original reason you met.

PhilAnderz 22 Reviews 550 reads
posted
18 / 26

The writer just might want to consider the words of the character played by Cher to the character played by Nicolas Cage in "Moonstruck."

ihateuga 462 reads
posted
19 / 26

Posted By: CourageousCat
...not exactly (And wow, do I wish that we had LG back and an active "Erotic Highway" board--that would be the better place for this kind of post--anyway:)

No, I haven't fallen in love with this provider--seriously.  However:  We have a lot in common; many similar interests, many of which have absolutely nothing to do with the hobby.  She's kind of very "out" in her approach to her work: Facebook, Twitter, etc, accounts all in her stage name--it's part of her approach to the business.  After we'd had a playdate or two, I created a "stage name" Twitter account, just so that we could keep up the flirty fun.

Now it's like a tiger by the tail thing:  She has 11 trillion Twitter followers and Facebook friends, I know she has an IRL bf, and yet we are text chatting with each other (no more Twitter for us) at length (sometimes for hours at a time) at least every other day (sometimes daily for long stretches).

Again:  I have not fallen in love with her, and I know she has a bf--but she's become a very real friend to me (in addition to the fact that our actual playdates are the most fun I've ever had with my pants off)--and (I hope I'm not deluding myself) I think I'm a very real friend to her also.

Bantering with her via text (much of which is now mundane non-flirty "how's your day going?" banter) is just a riot.  A real day-brightener for me.

So the question is this:  Is this kind of relationship (I guess call it "provider/hobbyist with benefits"?  Clever, eh?) at all normal?  I've been in the hobby steadily for several years now. I admit, I occasionally just send "Hi, how'ya doing?" emails to my favorite providers--especially if I haven't seen them in awhile, and don't want to end up needing to be re-screened if I know I'm going to want to repeat but that it will be awhile until I'll be in her city next.  But that's just common sense.

This is totally different.  To me, it feels like the same sort of relationship I have with several other friends where we're all kind of busy, and don't have time to chat on the phone at length, so we send some texts back and forth every so often to stay in touch.  But I don't text anybody as often as this--and it's not a one-way street--she's texting right back.  And keep in mind, she's a much sought-after provider/porn star, with tons of friends and zillions of fans--and yet she seems to make an extra effort to stay in touch with me.

Is it really possible that she's playing along just so that I'll stay interested?  Maybe that's part of it, but it can't be the only reason, can it?

I'm not being played here in any real way:  I know she has a bf, I'd be seeing her professionally with or without the text banter.  This is just something extra--which I don't think I've ever quite had--or even thought was possible.

Am I missing something here?  Or should I just consider myself lucky to have something of a real-life friend in addition to having found a dream provider?

Thoughts?

Niceguy75 35 Reviews 449 reads
posted
20 / 26

I can tell you from personal experience that you can find real friendship and even love here.

Nine years ago I met my ATF provider....I saw her on a regular basis for a couple of years strictly on a business level. As time went bye we developed a friendship and we started hanging out together...lunch, dinner etc. I got to know her family and we became very close. Eventually we stopped playing together (as she told me once the we are so close it is like fucking my brother) and while I see her naked all the time while she gets ready for an appointment we no longer have an interest in each other sexually.....we have become very good friends and I talk with her everyday. I am very lucky to have her as my BFF.

Two years ago I booked an overnight date that has changed my life forever....but that is another story for another day.

Good luck with your situation.

CourageousCat 416 reads
posted
21 / 26

Too many responses (and I appreciated them all, honestly, whether they were positive, negative, encouraging, discouraging) for me to take each one on sub-thread by sub-thread, so I'm just going to "@" responders who had interesting things to say:

@ t:  Yeah, I don't think I'm overly-emotionally involved.  It can be tough to keep the boundaries between fantasy and reality in place--but I think I've got this one.

@ SexyflirtAmber: I'm not sure that I'm being played in any real sense; the actual business part of our "business" is great.  With or without this extra component, I'd be seeing her just as often.  Besides, we're not usually in the same city, so our f2f contact is limited--and it's hard enough for me to "make it all work" for us to have our dates when we both do a lot of traveling.  And she's never hit me up for airfare or anything along those lines--actually more the reverse--I tell her that I'm traveling to city "x", and she builds in some time for me, but also sets up other activities for herself (seeing non-hobby friends, photo-shoots, etc).  I'm not sugar-daddy-ing here at all, AFAICS.

@ escalade 1964:  If I were too needy, she'd have no problem telling me to f--- off; or at least not answer texts frequently unless we were specifically making plans for a date.

@ mrfisher:  Thanks for being neither positive nor negative, or judgmental--I really don't think that either of us thinks this is "going anywhere" but where it is right now--but it's nice to know that once in a great while things can work out in a way that you'd never expect they might.

@ anonymousfun:  I've been told a million times not to exaggerate :)  It was just a turn of a phrase..jeez...

@ bromios:  Yeah, I do sometimes text with my best buddies for hours at a time (and no, I'm not a kid--we're all just really busy, and texting is a great medium since you can deal with other issues and then respond like an hour later--no harm, no foul--I think it's a great way to stay in touch in this over-scheduled, frenetic way that we live in the modern world).  And if I had a female, non-provider, not-terribly-attractive friend with whom I had as much in common as I do in this case--Yeah, sure I'd stay in touch.

And No, (and this is also for @ tg_baby) I'm not single, but that's ok too--it kind of keeps me from getting too carried away with this thing.  Even if I were single, and so were she, there's enough *not* in common that I don't think I would want to have a "real" relationship with her.

@ihateuga:  I have plenty of "real" hobbies.  Too many, actually.

To anyone I missed:  I appreciated your input as well--but I think I covered it all with the replies I've given.

Thanks for the reality check, everyone.  If I go any further over the line, I'll post again on this topic, so all you nay-sayers can go all "I told you so!" all over my butt...

AlexandraMilw See my TER Reviews 474 reads
posted
22 / 26

It is your money and you have a right to do what you want. Just keep yourself safe. I do think you like her more than you are willing to admit to. All you can do is be aware and watch what you do so you aren't creating a big mess for yourself and her. She may care about you as much as you do for her, or not. Only one that knows is her.

Like I had said, I do have a few that I talk with quite a bit... but it is purely because I enjoy the friendship and not out for anything beyond that.

You are wrong about one thing dear, Some ladies will not tell you right away if you are being too needy. Not saying you are or aren't. Just saying.  

Good luck to you and I really hope I don't see a followup post about anything bad, and I do mean that.

earthshined 332 reads
posted
23 / 26

dont you cross the line the minute you spend OTC time together?

Posted By: SexyflirtAmber
Ok first off it can be a real thing...Yes it can BUT  
   
 But IMO you are being played. Do not do the fall in love shit. Really. A lot of gals will do whatever for the money! Many gals text to try to get MONEY, not YOU. You are both crossing the line and you will be hurt in the end.  
   
 It's great to connect with someone. I have a few regulars that I spend time with OTC and we get how it goes. You need to know the difference or be hurt. OK?  
   
 Let's face it, you say you haven't fallen in love... but you have. Your OP says it all.  
   
 Stop thinking with little head and think straight.  
   
Posted By: CourageousCat
...not exactly (And wow, do I wish that we had LG back and an active "Erotic Highway" board--that would be the better place for this kind of post--anyway:)  
   
 No, I haven't fallen in love with this provider--seriously.  However:  We have a lot in common; many similar interests, many of which have absolutely nothing to do with the hobby.  She's kind of very "out" in her approach to her work: Facebook, Twitter, etc, accounts all in her stage name--it's part of her approach to the business.  After we'd had a playdate or two, I created a "stage name" Twitter account, just so that we could keep up the flirty fun.  
   
 Now it's like a tiger by the tail thing:  She has 11 trillion Twitter followers and Facebook friends, I know she has an IRL bf, and yet we are text chatting with each other (no more Twitter for us) at length (sometimes for hours at a time) at least every other day (sometimes daily for long stretches).  
   
 Again:  I have not fallen in love with her, and I know she has a bf--but she's become a very real friend to me (in addition to the fact that our actual playdates are the most fun I've ever had with my pants off)--and (I hope I'm not deluding myself) I think I'm a very real friend to her also.  
   
 Bantering with her via text (much of which is now mundane non-flirty "how's your day going?" banter) is just a riot.  A real day-brightener for me.  
   
 So the question is this:  Is this kind of relationship (I guess call it "provider/hobbyist with benefits"?  Clever, eh?) at all normal?  I've been in the hobby steadily for several years now. I admit, I occasionally just send "Hi, how'ya doing?" emails to my favorite providers--especially if I haven't seen them in awhile, and don't want to end up needing to be re-screened if I know I'm going to want to repeat but that it will be awhile until I'll be in her city next.  But that's just common sense.  
   
 This is totally different.  To me, it feels like the same sort of relationship I have with several other friends where we're all kind of busy, and don't have time to chat on the phone at length, so we send some texts back and forth every so often to stay in touch.  But I don't text anybody as often as this--and it's not a one-way street--she's texting right back.  And keep in mind, she's a much sought-after provider/porn star, with tons of friends and zillions of fans--and yet she seems to make an extra effort to stay in touch with me.  
   
 Is it really possible that she's playing along just so that I'll stay interested?  Maybe that's part of it, but it can't be the only reason, can it?  
   
 I'm not being played here in any real way:  I know she has a bf, I'd be seeing her professionally with or without the text banter.  This is just something extra--which I don't think I've ever quite had--or even thought was possible.  
   
 Am I missing something here?  Or should I just consider myself lucky to have something of a real-life friend in addition to having found a dream provider?  
   
 Thoughts?  
 

goofball42 1 Reviews 302 reads
posted
24 / 26

First of all, there's a big difference between "love" and being "in love". Most of the time, I think we here fall in "lust", and perceive it as love. But sometimes, a friendship does occur, and there can even be love between each person.

While it isn't common, texting regularly can happen. My ATF and I text like that - and have for years - and have been great friends. We text almost every day, and many times pretty much all day long. It really depends on each individual. As others have said, I think you have to be careful about boundaries and such, but there's no reason you can't have a good relationship/friendship.

As I once learned, there are general guidelines to this hobby, but really, the rules are up to you and her!

Enjoy it while it lasts!

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 397 reads
posted
25 / 26

I've had dinner and drinks with MANY clients over the years, off the clock. All but one did not get things twisted. You have to be very careful with who you do this with, because like the OP, women are not the only ones who read more into things than what is actually there. In my OTC time, it was never about getting him to come back or keeping him though...most of these instances took place thousands of miles from where I live, and in areas that I would not visit more than once a year. It was only because I wanted to hang out and have fun...nothing more, nothing less. I've never had sex with a client OTC, either.

earthshined 426 reads
posted
26 / 26

maybe something they really wanted when they started the hobby.

i myself don't want anything to do with that in this hobby. Luckily,  I havent had to test my resolve regarding this track.
Posted By: Niceguy75
I can tell you from personal experience that you can find real friendship and even love here.  
   
 Nine years ago I met my ATF provider....I saw her on a regular basis for a couple of years strictly on a business level. As time went bye we developed a friendship and we started hanging out together...lunch, dinner etc. I got to know her family and we became very close. Eventually we stopped playing together (as she told me once the we are so close it is like fucking my brother) and while I see her naked all the time while she gets ready for an appointment we no longer have an interest in each other sexually.....we have become very good friends and I talk with her everyday. I am very lucky to have her as my BFF.  
   
 Two years ago I booked an overnight date that has changed my life forever....but that is another story for another day.  
   
 Good luck with your situation.

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