I would feel embarrassed about miscounting the bills and would want to be informed.  I would try to get you the bill.

I have no concerns if a gal wants to count out the cash in front of me.  In fact, it gives me some peace of mind that this won't be an issue.

That's a good point about peace of mind.  I wonder if they are wondering what's in the envelop.  I think if they took it, counted it, and put it away someplace, it would just eliminate those thoughts.  I want her to be as enthusiastic as possible, and maybe that nagging doubt that there might be Monopoly money inside the envelope distracts her from top performance.

I "shorted"a regular $100 once (a $100 fell under the bed by accident) she called me and asked if i dropped a bill by accident, which was nice since i was embarrassed. The important thing is not to be accusatory. It was probably just an oversight.  

It' just so much easier to drop the donation, spread out, easy to see, in an obvious place like the nightstand and issues like this won't come up.

Put "Etiquette" instructions on your web site telling guys to leave the envelope (or just cash) on the table and then please go wash up (or shower, if you prefer).  Remind them when the come in the door because many will not have read that part of your site. While they're in the bathroom, count the money and put it away.  If he's short, let him know when he comes out of the bathroom.
Personally, I don't care if you count the money in front of me, but some guys feel it kills the feeling of GFE, so it's best not to.

If it was a mistake, he would want to know. Lots o' 20s in the typical envelope so a mistake is understandable. If it was not a mistake and you say nothing, next time it might be $40 short.

Most of the girls I've met with don't count the cash. I think the reason is when it comes to a first date, that counting the money might be perceived as accepting cash for sex and therefore incriminates the provider, so they don't do it. On repeat dates they don't do it because there's a level a trust that's been established and the provider is trusting that a repeat client wouldn't stiff her on the cash. Hence, the money rarely gets counted. In addition, letting the guy know he's short during the date makes things super awkward, especially if he doesn't have the available funds on him. Completely kills the momentum, especially with guys that didn't intentionally mean to short the girl.

I'd tell her to **** off if she pulled that on me. It's one thing to pay your debts, it's another thing entirely to be treated like garbage over an accident. You want your $20? No prob, mea culpa. You want $40 now? Well, let me pay you your $20, and then not ever see you again.  

Mistakes happen,  Bizness is Bizness..and Pleasure , Everyones happy 😁

Of course you should let him know about this. Its your money and this could be an oversight. As you indicated, chances are slim that a $20 short is intentional. If I did that then I wouldn't have a problem getting a message about it. And I like the manner in which you have gone about posting about this. That is really nice.  

I said there should be a "voluntary" penalty, IOW for those of you have can't understand English, she shouldn't have to demand it, you should have the decency to offer it was your fuck up to begin with.  

You need to take a chill pill son. Maybe find yourself a nice hooker, cause that is a lot of whining that I didn't bother to read just now.

you're lazy too.

Buy a hooker, seriously. All that pent up anger, can't be good for the blood pressure.

I admittedly drink a LOT sometimes,  and especially in places that have multiple bars in the same establishment, the Del Rey is one that comes to mind, I often will clear one bar tab and forget the other, when most customers do that the bartenders get pissed, but they are happy when I do it because they know they have a big tip coming. lol

............ Shit! I walked out without even dropping the donation because I was so freaking horny and excited, I just forgot. Thankfully, that was with a regular. She was very nervous, but brought it up as i was about to walk out the door. I was so embarrassed.

.... I went back the next day paid the bartenderess nd gave her a nice tip. Everybody felt good.

On one of my very first dates I walked out with the donation still in my pocket. I am really absent-minded and easily distracted by initiating the encounter so this is something I still have to really focus on so I don't fuck up, and I have managed never to do it again. When it happened I was already out of the hotel when I realized it, and she only turned her phone on right before sessions, so I had no idea what to do. I finally decided that since she was from out of town I had no option but to go knock, though I was really worried she might be in the middle of another session. Here was the weird thing - she gave every indication she had not even noticed the missing envelope. Maybe she was as absentminded as I was.

To be honest, when someone is paying $300 or more, I find difficult to believe that it is intentional rather than an oversight. Sure, like you say, there are cheapskates around but I hope they are in a very very small minority.  

Certainly tell him without being accusatory! I prefer a new girl to get the accounting out of the way before the session or at least before I leave. I usually don’t leave the cash until after a session with a regular. One time after a mind nummingly good session I totally forgot to leave the donation! I got a text after I was driving away! I turned around and went back to deliver it, plus a little extra!  Boy did I feel stupid about that one.

If it was off by only $20 I'd say it was probably an honest mistake. If that happened to me YES, I'd want to know so I could make it right.  

!. I prefer she counts the donation in front of me. That way I know there is no mistakes. I made one once when I forgot to drop the envelope, walked to the car, reached for my keys and felt it. I immediately fixed my error by contacting her and running it up to her before she noticed and tipped her for the inconvenience,  but it was embarrassing.  

Funny, because on one hand I’d feel weird having it pointed out, but by the same token I tend to recount my donation numerous times for the exact reason that I don’t want that to happen. At the end of the day, like any other spend I make where an agreed upon amount is set, someone would be perfectly within their rights to say they were shorted without me getting pissy about it.

Both of those guys pay well above invoice.

There is a reason I keep my McDonalds soda cup in my car for a week or more. LOL

Both my regulars get a studio card and a scratch off lotto ticket. A-girl always opens the envelope and secures the dough in her purse  and thanks me for the scratch-off and  nice/funny card. Tells me she saves all of them which is a nice fluff compliment. First time with her I def didn`t like it but got over it quick  as our connection is off the charts good.

Always Always ALWAYS count your money beforehand. I do it in private. If they're visiting me, I have a table that they will leave it on. I walk them to the bathroom and start a shower for them. While they are getting fresh I step away to make sure things are in order. I only once had to ask someone to kindly recount due to him miscounting. It happens just laugh it off and let him fix it while you go wash your hands or grab you both a water.  

I’ve done it once. Shit happens

it was a miscount.  I probably write off too rather than embarrass client.  Now on the other hand, I have had to call client after leaving because I couldn't find the envelope.  He had sat it under something and I felt a little embarrassed, but not so embarrassed to leave behind my donation for the maid.  

Hi Smartie,

...I want to know if I shorted you. I'll fix it.  

I accidentally shorted a dear lady (whom I subsequently saw many more times) by $50. It was an honest mistake, because...I was given good advice early on (thanks, Julia!) that a good way to do the donation was a mix of large bills with some smaller "spendable" ones. That seemed like sound advice to me and I often do it that way. But, dumb shit that I am, I got the math wrong and miscounted. Duh.

provider's incall. Then I go to the restroom to freshen up, take a shower, wash my hands, etc. Sometimes the envelope is "gone" [meaning counted and put away] when I re-enter the room. Also, I usually use C notes and 50's and rarely use any $20's.

are lazy too.

He might have made an honest mistake. I know I always count the money before going to incall.

Its only $20 I wouldnt say anything. Just move on. I excuse myself to change. While in the bathroom I always count it. Mistakes happen.

I hope you at least roll the coins before giving them to her and that you don't just bring them to her still in the jar. lol

I would be horribly embarrassed but would definitely want to know and make it right...

I saw a lovely lady about 8 or 9 months ago.  I wasn't sure how much I would owe her. I put what I thought was the right amount in an envelope.  I enjoyed her company.  I asked he what I owed and realized the envelope --which I thought I had already left-- was short about a hundred dollars.  I counted out the $100 in twenty and got ready to leave.  She counted what I left and said, quite annoyed, "Hey this is short, its only $100.  I then realized i had not previously given her the envelope with the 5 or 6 hundred in it.  God I was humiliated and pulled it out and gave it to her with my apologies.  The one think I could not stand would be not to have paid in full no fuss no muss what was due.  Imagine if I had already walked out.  
You should tell him. I could not bear, were I he, to have shorted you (which to me is the ultimate FU for a provider).  I would want to know and be able to make it good right away.
I must admit, I am still embarrassed about that lady wondering if she thinks I had tried to get away with something.  

"Can't Remember Shit"

Some guys react very negatively to this.  I think it depends on the nature of the encounter and what is expected.  One lady I see frequently prides herself on providing the "true gfe experience".  She treats me like we've known each other forever and barely even glances at the envelope until after I have left.  Another provider I've been with a few times offers no such illusions.  She always counts the money immediately upon my arrival; then she puts it away and fucks me like an animal.   I take no issue with either approach as long as the service is quality.

but if he's from out of town, if might be best to forget it.  I generally don't leave the donation in advance unless so requested (or first dates).  
this is kind of "old school" but I leave my pocket junk on her dresser next to my clothes.  The donation is precounted & kept together with a paper clip & IS on the dresser.  When I redress, the donation is left behind.  
Sometimes in the hub-bub of redressing & using the bathroom the donation will disappear, other times not... I don't watch it but I might notice.  
Once, early in the hobby, I was embarrassed when a gal asked me for it & I hadn't placed it... largely because her layot was different that I expected... would have needed to place in the bathroom.  
Many gals pick up the donation early (as requested) and count it before putting it away... but do check it before he gets his good bye kiss.

As I had one a few years ago.  Went to see an amazing woman at a well known K-Agency and forgot that I was short $40 after the fun and making the payment, which I always do with this one.  The girl called Mamasan and I told her I would go to ATM and get her the rest.  After 20 minutes I came back with that and more to show my apologies.  Now anytime I reach out to Mamasan, she is quick to book me and move me to the front of the line.  We are all human and make mistakes, however honesty and a little extra sugar goes a long way on a mess up.

I've come across this with a few people over the course of time and I've always found it to be an oversight.  I honestly believe that in general people are good people and maybe that's just me but I like to think the best of people.  I would go along with what many have already said and send them a message or call them and let them know of the honest mistake.   being accusatory isn't the way to go as you never know how it happened.  In the end I believe it's best to let them know in a non judgemental way, non accusatory way and in an understanding way and from there things will work out.

and yes, I would find it a bit offputting if a woman I had seen a dozen times before was still counting out the money before the session starts after having seen her so many times.  

Your numbers don't jive...anyway I can see you two now, the stare down..Like, "Sure you did"

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Are you going to turn the money down?

You're all class GaGs.

but do you dispute my actual point?

Of course not.  The envelop affords no legal protection.  

and it's not a "fetish" it's maybe more like a "penchant" lol.  

...I have always left the providers donation in a very nice card & I can't remember ever having them count it, but after reading some of the posts on this thread maybe I should forgo the card & just leave the cash in plain site. It is unlikely that I would ever make a counting error I always use the largest denomination bills adding up to the total & if I shorted the donation I would be so embarrassed by that oversight that she would certainly deserve a good tip for telling me.

A "nice" way of letting him know would be to send him a message that say something like

Why do you refer to yourself as "the hooker"?

Idk, with where my rates stand based on where ive been, it shows a bit of... Ehh. Whats the word? Blah.  

She's not pretentious.  

... sounds like two different pecker conditions.

I think it makes a big difference if the total was 200 or 2000. Shorted by 10% vs shorted by 1% might make a difference whether it is even worth mentioning.  

Red envelopes are for the Chinese New Year. Uncle always gives them to the kids.

I saw it attributed to both Eleanor Roosevelt and Confucius.  I couldn't stand Eleanor, the socialist.  

You are correct.  It depends on who the person is.  If it is a regular, you know that it was a mistake.  You could bring it up in a lighthearted way afterwards at another time.    
If it is someone who you are seeing the first time then you should say something afterwards but in a light hearted way.  If he is a decent person he will definitely ask how to make it right.

I believe he made an honest mistake if they were all in that domination.   Not everybody is OCD like me and counts 3x before making out deposit slip and counts again when depositing.  I'm also a very fast counter, a skill I learned and retained from 2 years of bank teller in my early career.  And I count donation very fast right in front of client at end of session.  Maddie

Would you let him know if it was $20 over?

I say thank you very much for your generosity!  My tip would be obvious with 3 bills and a $20

You should ask, and for such a small sum ask in a nice way, "Hey, that was a great session, enjoyed my time with you. It seems the donation was short by $20, did a bill happen to get stuck in your pocket when you took out the donation, could you check real quickly for me?".

I would never intentionally short a provider. I would want to know so I could return to pay the agreed upon amount.  However, if the guy was traveling and is no longer in your area I’d chalk it up to him making a mistake and move on.  

The only Chinese man I know in real life is Hershal Rubinowitz.  I asked him how he got that name.  He said when he came to America the man in line in front of him at the immigration desk was named Hershal Rubinowitz.  When my friend's turn came, the immigration official asked him his name.  He said "Sam Ting."

I did the same thing once. Got to the street and realized the envelope was still in my jacket pocket. I went back upstairs and slid it under the door. She poked her head out the door and I profusely apologized. No harm, no foul she said.  

A big fear of mine is that I'd screw up the donation and have to drive back to make it right.  And I would.  We had a deal, she did her part, she's entitled to it.  
Once I did a major bone head move...  ditched my coat on the car on a warm day.  Yeah, the donation was in the pocket.  I was so embarassed.  I offered to get it or give her my keys so she could.  We'd seen each other many times over several years & she declined... said she was leaving after our time.  We walked out together.  At my car, I put my coat back on, we clasped hands and kissed lightly before parting...  the donation was in her palm.    

I had this happen about 2 months ago with a very regular client whom I saw every 2 to 4 weeks. When I would leave he would either hand me the cash or stuff it in my purse. Whatever. No issues. Last time I saw him he stuffed the cash in my purse. I never counted, trusted him. I get home and I am $20 short. OK. Empty out my entire purse thinking it is tucked somewhere. I shoot him an email.... hey....I think you may have missed $20 when you paid me (giving him the $ amount that I received)? His response: "No, that is what I always paid you." Um, no.
 He has been emailing me off and on asking "what's up?" or "how are you?" My response has been...." you know, just living the dream. Trying to figure out how to get back that $20."
 Moral of the story? You want that punanah on a regular basis or that $20?  

Did you text the guy? Is he going to pay you back?

is if he knows he shorted you twenty bucks and he reads this thread he will already know your alias. OTOH if it were by accident he won't have any idea you are talking about him.

But yes, tell him. Guess he was not a tipper eh?  

Going from already knowing the person "in the flesh" to uncovering some obscure aliased political comments has to be anti-climactic.  The usual concern is the opposite -- going from the alias to the real person.  People who try to discover the real identity either already love or hate you.  Both can be problems if extreme or fixated.

Smartie is unabashedly a Pro Trump Rightie, which doesn't play well with a LOT of so-called "open minded" liberals who wouldn't see her on a bet if she were to reveal that she voted for Satan. The last thing Smartie wants is for so idiotic Never Trumper to find out her real hooker name and spread it around to a bunch of libtards who would go out of their way to ruin her business.

Smartie is a Pro-Trump Rightie? Sounds like someone I'd love to hate-fuck for an hour or two.

Meh. I’d never see a vocal Trump supporter. If you want to support the guy, be my guest and I’d still probably see you. But if you are getting on a hobby board to broadcast your preferences then it broadcasts to me that maybe you can’t keep that to yourself when we should be focusing on other stuff. Hard Pass.

Could have been a miscount,or maybe he was short on cash  and didn't tell you in fear of loosing the date or settle for less time.. However some people are scammers too while some are just plain cheap.So let him know and see the reaction.

Communication is the key. It could have easily been a mistake. You never know if the individual was in a rush and it was an honest mistake. It's important that both you and your company both mutually feel you had a fair and enjoyable engagement.

If the provider does not count it I usually ask them to.  Anybody can make a mistake.

... and I have gotten to like you and would see you if we were in the same city. Just for what it's worth. What better way to build bridges, right?

only pay in Benjamins and always round up to the next one, no one EVER gets shorted $20.  Guys make mistakes when trying to count money after the blood has left their brain and gone to their dick.  

Yes I let him know !!!

Plus, three or four Benjis spread out on the nightstand doesn't require "counting" It's easy to tell the donation is there and is the correct amount even from halfway across the room. Normally speaking, if the donation is anywhere from $250-$300 I just lay three one hundred dollar bills down. It's just so much easier to do it that way.  

This is why people shouldn't talk about politics during work. My job? I don't talk about politics to the people I provide my (non-sex related) services to. Uber drivers? They shouldn't talk about politics. Whores? They DEFINITELY shouldn't talk about politics.  

What I really want to know is if you'll see the guy again if he's ever in town and requests a repeat? Will you resent him knowing he got away with shorting you $20, or will you simply count the money while he's in the bathroom or something? That's my fear, that I might accidentally short a provider and then she bans me from her service without giving me a chance to make things right.  

A lady once called me back as I was on the way out of the hotel and told me to come back to her room but didn't say why. My first thought was that I must have accidentally shorted her. In fact, she wanted to give me some money back because I had left a half an hour early. Is that incredible or what?

I wonder how many times you could find you and me saying almost the exact same thing just a minute or two apart, much less nine days later?  

She texted me after our date and I gladly brought another $20 bill to her.  As I recall this happened as a result of a misunderstanding about how she calculated her 90 minute rate (which was not explicitly stated on her website).   Moral of the story:  Never assume, ASK.