with her massage client and she wouldn't even kiss him. For 50k, he'd have access to ever orifice of my body! lol. Anyway It was her first time going all the way. It was dramatic and she was obvious about not wanting to do it, so it got me wondering...

Men: Have you ever paid a lady who obviously didn't want to go thru w/ it?

Ladies: Your first time, if you didn't want to be there, were you obvious about it?

If I were a man, I don't know if I could go thru w/ paying a girl who obviously didn't want to do it.

Yes, I've tipped handsomely for the ladies who don't typically give HEs at legit massage places.
I love the excitement of knowing that she's not allowed to be doing that.

After I have rocked their world, they usually just return the envelope with a $$ tip.  No, actually, when they stop laughing, they just nicely ask me to leave.

Definitely a fantasy of mine! Any tips for how you are able to make this happen? What's your success rate in "flipping" legit masseuses?

That would be repulsive .
If she's not smiling and acting like I'm the highlight of her day,  I would high tail  it out of there .
 
   I had a GF who worked around a lot of rich big shits . She wasn't in the business as far as I know , according to her a couple mega  rich guys made outrageous offers to rent her .  
   She acted like she was totally  insulted by their attempt  .  
  I tried to explain if they had only offered ten grand that would be an insult . Then she said I was insulting her . I started to tell her she has me for free but I shut up instead .
   
 Some  guys want something they can't have in the real world and are willing to pay big bucks to rent it in fantasy land .
  Remember the virgin who was auctioning her virginity for a million ? maybe not a million , I didn't keep track of the final bid , not interested in virgins .  
 

I always choose a masseuse who has been working there for awhile. The new girls seem to be afraid of losing their job and are strict about following the rules. The new girls will eventually feel the pressure of not making enough money and realize that offering "specials" is what will make them better tips. Typically if she has been working there for a year or more, she has heard it all and has probably given a handful of HEs (no pun intended!). You might have luck with a new girl (I never tried), but it's usually a surefire thing with the veterans. Veteran does not mean old and unattractive. Plus, do you really want a HE from an unattractive masseuse?

After choosing the "right" masseuse, you have to open yourself up to her and make her feel comfortable. If a guy just lays there and gets a massage without talking, he's not going to get a HE. Never directly ask or imply for one. Having and sustaining a woody while you're draped and on your back definitely helps, but never speak about it, point it out, or ask her to "help you out" with it. They are taught and trained to just ignore it. Try to keep the conversation going from the start to the finish. Talk about her, talk about yourself, find things in common, ask her about her experience and why she chose to get into massage, etc. If she starts opening up and volunteering information about herself, it's a sign that she's comfortable with you (this also applies in the hobby world). There really is no secret other than getting her to voluntarily do it, since it's tacky to imply. Make her feel good about herself, compliment her, and make her laugh and smile. I'd like to believe that they all gave me a HE because they liked me, but part of it could have been to get me to stop talking!

As for my success rate, I guess you could say 100% (thankfully) if you don't count the repeats it took before getting one. I might just be lucky and 100% is not typical. I don't always get HEs on the first visit, but I always get one on the second. However, one time it took a third visit before I was ready to call it quits. My justification for going back a third time was because her massages were great, and not because I was stubborn about pursuing a HE (why the effort if we can always book with a provider?). If after the third visit you still don't get a HE from the masseuse, it's time to move on and hopefully your investment was not more than what it would have cost if you saw a provider.

Keep in mind that some legit masseuses will NEVER, for whatever reason, give a HE no matter how much you offer them or how many times you repeat. Fortunately, I have never encountered this kind of masseuse. If she has a serious look on her face and looks grumpy, avoid her! If she's young, bubbly, and smiles, there's a good chance the HE will happen; if not on the first visit, then the second or third.

If you have VIP, feel free to PM me and I'll be happy to answer any further questions.

Great advice. I'v never considered trying a "legit" massage place before.
Only been to a few AMPs over the years. I just give her a "tip" roll-over on my back and she takes it from there. I always bring some condoms - sometimes I've gotten a CBJ at an AMP. Doubt a "legit" masseuse will go that far though?

Here's a transcript:

(nicky): "mmm...mmm...mmm...UNNNNHHHHHHH!

(her): Get out.

 

No fair, clarence! You forgot to include the five minutes of gargling noises she made before telling me to get out!

Jennifer Love Hewwit is one very beautiful, sexy woman and of course I know it's not real but that would've been a great fantasy to jack off to.

To answer your other question, if I knew a woman didn't want to go through with it I think I'd be able to tell that right away and I'd pick up the donation, give her half of what I think she may have paid for the room and gracefully leave. I don't want to be anywhere I'm not wanted. I completely understand that most providers (don't want to be with their clients) but they make their living by creating the illusion.

NO pussy is worth 50k even if you are a millionair many times over and can easily afford.  interesting, the number of losers/geeks/turds  that JLH has had a boyfriend/lover

END OF MESSAGE

thats part of the price even if you cant stomache it...fake it. For 50,000.00 you'd think I was in love with you!
Part of the GFE fantasy...

So you're basically saying you go into a legit massage place & manipulate a legit therapist to satisfy your need for a hand job ? You can't go to an amp for that?? They probably gave it to you so you'd shut up lol!  

Sorry hun that just seems a bit too rapey to me.