I have noticed, as well as had back channel discussions with other hobbyists about the rating system. Staff could help us out in providing guidelines as to what is an 8 or 9 or 10.  On appearance forget it... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. On performance.. the issue is what do you define as performance??

Is performance simply the mechanical acts of just sex? In my opinion performance goes beyond just what a specific provider does or does not do in bed.. Remember Sex starts and ends in the mind. If a hobbyist leaves his encounter with a certain feeling why can that not be considered? Again subjective so maybe not..

However I would like to suggest to the moderators and staff, that they give the hobbyist the flexibility to add another score
that could be limited by TER to being used only once in every 5 or 10 visits. Often we hobbyists especially us new ones don't really have a way of evaluating how good an encounter was until we have seen others? Again subjective.. Why not allow a special posting of say an 11. To keep it from being abused, limit its use, but give the hobbyist the ability to go back and reflect, and change one if he so desires but he can only use it maybe twice in a 12 month period.   Just a suggestion..
Or maybe offer as a scoring, the .5 option as well...

Different strokes for different folks.  There are no absolutes when it comes to what people want in bed.  Some people may want to do the same specific things every time with no room for change.  Some people may be looking to try something new everytime out.  Some men like blondes, some like brunettes, some like dicks.  Different strokes.  The number ratings are good as a general guideline, but you have to read the reviews.  Read between the lines and decide for yourself if you think you would like to see that provider.  Take a look at Mr. Clean's post from yesterday.  If someone rubbed shit all over me, I would definitely not give them a good rating.  Actually, I would never submit a rating.  I wouldn't anyone to ever find out I was covered in shit, even on an anonymous board.  Just remember to be honest with your posts, post what you feel is a fair rating, and take all the posts (good and bad) with a grain of salt.  And that's all I have to say about that.

In performance, I think that 7(s) are real certain, but like you wrote, the 8, 9 or 10 is something that we try to measure:  To get over 7 the provider must kiss with tongue, bbbj, greek, or more than one guy.  As much as I like membership here and as much as I like the reviews and the review process--I've never understood this approach to scoring proformance.  Still I've found the review system here to be the best that I've seen on the web.  

Littledude, your idea about adding another section to the review sounds good, but I wonder if any changes would just cause more problems then help.  I've learned that you can really express personal thoughts and extra attention within the details of the review--this has been my experience anyway.  All the best!

Cheers! ! ! !

Joey

I agree to disagree

Why should a woman, who does not take the trip to Greece, be penalized to 7's and below? Remember, not all people seek the same thing in a woman. I've gotten great performance skills (over 7's), and I don't do Greek. Would that mean, that men who have seen me, didn't have a good time, when my reviews suggest otherwise? The rating system needs to be fair, and also hold to the fact, that other's view situations differently Just because I don't go to Greece, doesn't mean that I don't enjoy offering different specialities, to my clients

Be well

Mel..meow

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but there are guidelines posted for the 'performance acts' for a provider to QUALIFY for a rating above 7.  Joey has already mentioned them in his reply.  Some of them, such as anal & whether a gal is bi or not, are things I'm not interested in personally but others are & this board is meant for all of us.  But the key word in what I've said is QUALIFY...if a gal does absolutely everything plus more, you don't have to give her an 8-9-10...hell, give her a 4 or 5 or any other number based on how much she pleased you & not what she did. Look, this is all subjective anyway..so just be honest, objective, & call it as you see it.

As for new hobbyists who haven't seen more than one or two gals..unless they're virgins or have lead an extremely sheltered life, I think anyone can know if the sex was good, bad, or indifferent.  Sure, perhaps we all learn a little more & refine our judgment somewhat with additional hobby experience..but I doubt we ever change it completely.  But even additional experience is no guarantee.  I know I've seen gals that guys with more posted reviews than myself have seen & come away with a different opinion.  

But it's always a case of YMMV & it deals  with a completely subjective topic...so how else should we expect it might be?  Yes, I've definitely learned some things & I'm happy to say most of my reviews indicate some pretty damn good experiences & that's not just by chance, blind luck, or lack of objectivity.  I learned long ago to read everything said in the reviews without regard to the numbers & to cross-check the reviewers against others, so I gained a pretty good idea on those who are most reliable & best reflect my own tastes.

As to creating an 11 or the addition of the .5 that you mentioned. IMO it's a bad idea.  This is a human condition we're talking about, & no amount of additional number crunching is going to change that...nor can I see than any perceived benefit would be worth the massive effort involved.  Are we to go back & re-score all of our reviews to add the .5 or the occasional 11?  Can we remember an encounter from months ago well enough to do that objectively?  And for those hobbyists who posted reviews but are no longer active, do we simply let there reviews stand as they were scored, but perhaps with an asterisk?  Or do we simply decide it's too much work & leave the reviews as they stand thereby giving a possible unfair rating advantage to the gals with more new reviews?  That might even be opening the door to more bogus or self-reviews....aarrrghhhh!!

If anything, my pipe-dream would be to cut down, not expand the numbers...both looks & performance.  It's never gonna happen because of all the problems I mentioned that a change would create...plus probably few people would agree with me.  But why couldn't we have had only 1-4 or 1-5 & let the written content of the review speak for itself?  Maybe we'd have less bogus written-for-credit-but never-really-saw-her reviews, less of an incentive for self-reviewing, & less of the 'Oh hell, I like her & don't want to hurt her feelings or rankings so I'll fudge a little & bump her up a point' reviews.  

Guess than was closer to 2 dollars than 2 cents.

Re:I agree to disagree

I agree with you Melinda.  Sometimes women who do greek to it at a 5 or 6 level.  Sometime it hard to have a measuring formula for performance.

Joey

The numerical reviews are, quite frankly, subjective numbers.  It is one thing to demand some standards (giving a 7 to a dash-and-dance artist, for example), but to say that the higher numbers require special services?  I think that muddies the process.

The looks numbers are easy enough to verify via web links, and if a lot of people make the comment "she doesn't look nearly as good as her pictures", then that should tell people what they need to know.  As far as the "special features" thing goes, we already have categories provided for listing special things the providers do.

What really are numbers anyway? We could see a client at 2:00 and another at 6:00 do the same routine with both clients and still come out with totally different numbers.

I really think it is all in the eyes of the client and what he personally prefers.

Read her reviews and chat with the lady a little, either on the phone or thur e-mail, get to know her a little before your visit, and I promise it just might be one of the best visit you have had in a long time.

Just my thoughts.

-- Modified on 1/17/2003 8:52:11 PM

Mel makes a good point.  Recently I had a review downgraded because I chose (not her) to skip anal and I didn't bring another guy along with me.  It was indeed a "one in a million" and she had been rated that way by many many others.  However, my 10 was jacked down to a 9.  One point for this and one point for that, but no anal so no 10.  When I asked to bring it back up, I was reminded of the "point system" allowing for a 7 to be the highest one can go unless they do three of five things.  Two of them involve multiple partners, so the only way a one in a million experience can be rated a 10 is if you stick it in the butt, something that I, like Mel, don't pursue regularly.  Makes it impossible for me to rate a perfect encounter as a 10.  Why am I limited to what I can post as a rating because of my preference, not hers.  Do I lie?  Nope, integrity is important.  I agree something a bit more flixible is called for.  All of that being said, read the reviews not the numbers (sorry Mathesar), that is where the true story is told.  No system is perfect and Staff does a great job, but it doesn't hurt to ask for a little fleixibility.  Enjoy....

would be to attach a copy of the original submission form with each review. The only reason being that there have been numerous instances where the data taken from the very first reviewer is, shall we say at times, somewhat misleading, wrong or outdated. I fully understand that to accomplish this may prove to be too technically difficult and/or take up too much space. This is simply a friendly suggestion, as often times people don't utilize the report a problem in a timely manner. Although I have said it before, it can't hurt to say it again, thank you so much for this site.

I think the desciption of the enounter has to be considered. Score are fine, but if you are a basic member and thats all you get, tough. If you want to know what happened that made the guy run home screaming 10, 10, 10, then you buy a VIP membership and lokk at the reviewer's whole story including other providers he's seen. If a guy gives a an average 7 provider a 10 and this is his first time, then it doesn't carry much weight in my book. But that's why I pay to see the whole thing. JMHO

My suggestion would be to display the data sheet from the most recent encounter rather than the oldest (first).  The data is much more up to date and reflects current service.  Either that or just have us write the narrative.  It is a waste to fill out the rest and nothing done with it anyway.

Perhaps we could add a third numerical rating for attitude.  Technically, she could deliver bbbj, allow daty and a few other goodies but be cold and mechanical about it.  There is a hell of a difference to me whether there is passion delivered and not just going through the motions.

I will humbly disagree with you about the numbers, VVV.  If you are using TER as a research tool, like for entertainment on a business trip to another locale, then the scores are an important way to save some time, separating  wheat from chaff.  Once done, you then look at the reviews.

Be that as it may, I find 2 inadequacies in the TER system, 1 on TER and one on some of us guys.  TER should drop the requirements for 8-9-10 grades altogether.  I never go to Greece, and there are many 9's on my reviews list, as it should be.  They earned 9's, in my book.

The other problem, squarely on us, is that there are people out there who write something like:

"Her BBBJ was angelic and had me climbing the walls, DATY was delicious, and CG and Mish had my eyeballs popping out.  But she needs to lose 15 pounds (or she's over 30, or she didn't really look like her pix, or her boob job wasn't very good, etc.) so I rated her a 6 instead of an 8.  This is grossly unfair to the girls (and the other guys too), and truly a violation of the system.  If TER really read some of the reviews, then there should be something done about these.

-- Modified on 1/17/2003 8:48:29 PM

On the review submit it states:

“In order to keep our performance ratings consistent, we set up the following system: An escort provider may only earn up to a 7, unless she also performs the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. The addition of each offering will raise her score by one point. If your review doesn’t already accurately reflect this rating system, we will adjust it. “

No where on there does it say if she does not do greek, she cannot get a 10.  There are 5 different things available, any 3 would allow a "perfect" score.

The reason why this was implemented a few years ago was because of the argument from the community of "Why does she get a 10 when she did everything covered and did not even kiss the guy?"  The compromise we came to was to increase the maximum score based upon certain acts the provider was willing to do.  

This does not mean that if a provider did not do these acts in a particular session that the session's reviews will be downgraded!  The decision to downgrade a review is based upon the provider's profile (the services offered to the open public) not the individual review.  If your review was downgraded incorrectly, please email [email protected] and we will be happy to look at it again (we are human and make mistakes too)

Inversely, if a provider does provider these extra services does not mean that they have earned “extra” points.  It only means that the maximum potential increases.  

Another Myth is that we adjust appearance scores on a regular basis.  In the over 100,000 reviews submitted to TER, this has happened once.

Misinformation is harmful to the reputation of TER.  Please make sure that the comments you make in this forum are educated ones.  If you have questions, please email us and we will do our best to answer you.

-- Staff

I agree completely with your first point.

Your second suggestion is also great. So far as there is no attitude rating we tend to increase the performance score, i.e. no bbbj, no greek, no DFK etc. but super attitude, horny girl whatever make us increase the perf rating to 9 or 10. And this is where we have a problem and reviews get downgraded. What you suggest would correct that.

the current system does need to be fine tuned. I thank 95% of the people will agree that it should be rare that a girl gets a 10 without BBBJ and DFK and a girl should not be a 10 if she doesn't do one of those two things. Therefore, I suggest that the 7 remain the max and a girl should be able to earn:

1 1/2 more points for DFK
1 1/2 more points for BBBJ
1 point for Greek
1 point for two girl scenerio
1 point for cum in mouth/on face.
1/2 point for two guys

This way the only other way to get to a 10 without both a DFK and BBBJ is if a guy has a two girl experience that includes Greek and cum on girl. If a girl does only DFK or BBBJ then she could still get to a 10 with two of the other catagories. So what do you people think?

Rating performance is subjective at best, and for those who care about what "extra" servies are provided, enumerating based on service categories is hogwash.  We can all read the reviews.  we can all discover if she does "it" whatever "it" is.  

Performance should be rated as excellence is perceived.  I know several providers who can only max at 8 given the current rules, but who have provided "10" and even "10+" experiences.  It's all about the width of the smile when you leave.  Anybody can measure a smile.

Which goes to show that you cannot look at absolute numbers. Have to read the reviews.  Which then makes the point system more and more meaningless.  One person's 10 might be another person's 8..  I give up....

Re:I agree to disagree

I agree 100%. My ATF does not provide those "extra" services like Greek, but she deserves a 10 for perfomance. I think it is unfair for TER to make that a requirement. Outstanding performance deserves a top rating, then if the guys are looking for the extras, just read the review and look for the limits the ladies have.

performance should be based on the perception of the hobbyist after his  experience.. TO set numerical standards because somebody does or does not annal is crude.. It might have been a good standard to use initially, but I think hobbyists have gotten more sophisticated....