That whole situation is just too complicated for words.

In any case, no loss as it appears you two didn't have much going on by way of chemistry.

Sometimes, we have to listen to the little voice in our heads and act accordingly.

I am sure there could be several plausible explanations for her behavior, but one of those explanations "could" be that she wanted to get you on tape asking for "sex for money" so the cops waiting nearby could swoop in and arrest you without LE even having to spring for a hotel room.

I wasn't there to experience the nuance of the situation, but from what you describe, I most likely would have walked too. Yes, what you describe sounds very weird to me.

Truth be told, if I were you, I would drop a line to Gina at P 411 and ask her if she is getting any weird feedback about this provider. The last thing that P 411 wants is to infiltrated by LE. She will either be able to assuage your fears, or if not, she will at least be on alert for any other odd feedback about this woman.

I'm not sure I'm paranoid or wise.  Curious what others think.
 
A well reviewed provider had not been reviewed for nearly a year, the websites posted seemed outdated and she didn't return emails.
 
The provider gets a new website, appears on P411 and replies to emails.  I chalk this up to a leave of absence or something.  Provider doesn't provide a phone number and communicates strictly via email.
 
We arrange to meet, but instead of a two call system, she has me meet her in the parking lot of a fast food restaurant.  I text her a few minutes before our scheduled time to let her know I'm waiting, she says she's running a few minutes late.  I see her drive by in her car a few times.  She emails and asks what type of car I have, and when I respond tells me she saw me and directs me to walk over to her car.
 
When I get there, she's still in the driver's seat.  I walk over and say hello and go in for a kiss.  She gives me the cheek and tells me to come around the other side and get in.  I ask her if I can get a kiss first, she says she doesn't do anything in public but that I should sit down in the car so we can get to know each other.  As I start walking to the passenger side, it just felt weird.  I'm wondering if there is something else going on here?
 
I make it half way around the back of her car, and come back to her window and say I just don't feel comfortable with this.  She says no problem and we both leave.
 
Thoughts???

Keep in mind, he is getting into her car, with her behind the wheel, not him.

If it were a sting, all they would have to do is wait for him to make any kind of statement regarding "sex for money" and then swoop in on the passenger side of the car effectively blocking off any chance of escape.

I am not saying that it was necessarily a sting, just that I would not rule it out. Either way, it sounds sketchy enough to walk away from

You should have bailed at "meet me in the parking lot of a fast food restaurant".

wtf

That is hillbilly hobbying, amigo

Without knowing your background, reviews, references I could understand a lady being leery but that sounds way out of my comfort zone. I wouldn't have even go out to her car. She either get out and meets in public like I assume she asked to, or its not going to happen. If she's that paranoid, it probably would have been a terrible experience. Other then even agree to meet in public first, with a well reviewed lady, other then for drinks or something, you did the right thing.  

I understand some girls have had bad experiences and need the extra screening to feel comfortable, but that is over the top crazy. Getting in the car was probably the worst thing you could have done. Yes it may have led to a wonderful date, I doubt it. Unlikely its LE, they have no situational control, more likely a rob or a sob story.

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You forget the SHE is behind the wheel, not him. LE would have much more control of the situation than they do when using SW decoys to bust johns in the street.

and NO, LE would want a lot more than a P411 appointment in order to make a case. Remember this is NOT the newbie board, we don't have to be nice to idiots here, You are so far wrong on this, it's not funny. Come back in a few years when you have a clue.

not to mention, I did NOT say that this was a sting, just that it could have been and unlike sending a decoy into an outcall where they don't have control of the situation, in this scenario the situation could be very well controlled with almost zero risk to LE.

That is assuming that the car isn't moving and the last thing they want is you to get into the car. You are then in close proximity to a lady stuck behind the wheel. She can't defend herself. They would never let that happen. Cops aren't out looking for one individual john to bust at some random place and would never ask to meet in public. They want to bust dozens of guys at the same time. They already agreed to have sex for money simply by the guy contacting her through P411. It may not have been verbalized but It would stand up in court. Its an escort site what else would you be asking for?  

I'm 99.9% sure it wasn't an LE sting. It was either a completely paranoid lady or some type of rob. She may well have had some brutal situation occur before she "retired" but seriously needed the money and it was the only way she could retain some control of the situation in her mind. Maybe she couldn't afford the accommodations and needed the guy to take her there so she/he could pay for the room. Maybe see hoped to do it in the car to save on the room. A lot of possibilities.

I agree best move he made was not getting in the car, I can't envision that it would turn out to be a good date.
 

Weird, kinda like a reverse streetwalker approach. What kind of meeting had you arranged? If it was a blow n go, then maybe she didn't want to get a room for that. But I'm assuming that you intended to book a typical FS incall meeting, correct? If so, that's some weird screening she's doing!

Biggest piece of advice I'd ever gotten before dating irl. Especially if they insist. Best way to give up 100% of your ability to control anything.

Of course, wait until you know someone before doing that, and not when its weird.

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She may have had a bad experience and is being overly cautious or she could have been setting up to rob you, either way you made the rite move. Even if she was just being cautions she needs to think about how her actions will make someone else feel. If she is ok with making you that uncomfortable before the session, how is the session going to be?  

I had been using an incall for a bit at someones house. They asked that I know who Im bringing there, which is understandable. If I was seeing someone new I met them elsewhere before hand. Unfortunately there wasn't much around but gas stations and businesses. Id meet people at a gas station up the road before hand. Id get there before them and be waiting outside my vehicle having already given them info to recognize me. Once we chatted a bit Id offer the address or to follow me. I know it was a bit of a hassle but I tried to do it in a way that made people comfortable.  
You can be cautious and have your safeguards without putting people in a awkward situation. This is supposed to be fun, there are plenty of ladies, no need to deal with stuff like that.

...just as some providers foolishly think grabbing a guy's dick means he isn't LE?

If she was LE and kissed you, you would still have been busted.

But what's a two-call system?

Emilie & Oliv

So if you're a no show, you don't know where the provider actually is.

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Does this advice apply to SW as well?

 
I hate trying to come whilst behind the wheel.

In the instance that she required cash to pay for a room that might be understandable. You'd up prior to exchange the $ prior to heading to the venue. I'm not sure how it works in the US but some providers do this in Melbourne, AU where incalls are illegal and a service provider will want to see cash before she secures the room which is understandable.  

Without any proper kind of explanation however you made the right choice. Kudos to you for making it as far as the car park.  

Emilie & Oliver

some dude taking a whiz? What the dealio sister?

Usually once you show up and they identify you, that's all the need for an arrest.  Because you responded to an escort ad, the p411 stuff, etc., it's obvious why you are there.  They may try to get you to say something to build their case, but they don't have to.  More than likely, she might have been trying to rip you off or she's just weird.

...why the insistence that she kiss you in public? That's not going to protect you from LE, just so you know. It's indiscreet on top of being kinda tacky.  

That said, nothing wrong with walking away if you felt uncomfortable. I don't blame you for not wanting to get in the car.

"hillbilly hobbying"

I LOLed.  

In my life, when I've gone against my gut I've overwhelmingly regretted doing so. Intuition is an amazing sense, and it's like an umpire in Baseball, right 95% of the time. Funny how it works, but it's a natural defense mechanism that you shouldn't ignore.

Good call, the least you sacrificed was a nut.

Pretty much assures me it was not an LE entrapment situation.
If It was a sting they would have grabed you and when your day in court occured the cops were swear you mentioned sex & money

Go with what you feel. In the long run, it'll prove smarter than how you might calculate the risk of such situations.

but it is unusual to ride in the Escort's car.  Anything outside the norm is grounds to walk.  Her circling may be an indication that she's inexperienced or had bad experiences in the past.  To leave your car there...  would be a perfect target for thieves...  would deprive you of an exit stratigy if it goes South later.  
Now I have met gals at a meeting place other than the location.  In 2 cases I followed her.  In another case, a repeat visit, she had walked there but hopped in with me & we drove to the location.

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Haha do you mean us? That's Oliver's ass of course! I think we was brushing his teeth if I'm honest and I took the photo from our bed. We're an escort couple so naturally there's going to be candid photos of us both on our Twitter profile.  

Emilie & Oliver

I didnt look long enough to notice his ass. I saw hairy legs and couldnt get to my escape button fast enough. I thought he was draining the dragon but if you tell me he was brushing his teeth, I'll believe you. Please no more pics though. LOL

Now, when are you coming across the pond to visit? And if you do, please leave Oliver (and his ass) at home. LOL

Jack doesn't cross swords with anyone. No offense Oliver. LOL

I think its summer in Aussieland, is it not? Bring that too! Its fking freezing in the country that keeps you from speaking Russian! LOL

Carry on.

McD's or Wendy's? Either one, I smell a rat.

You shouldve been long gone my friend.  

xx kisses

None taken whatsoever! And yes, we had a proper laugh over this vid this morning. If visiting the US we'll save our trip for summer

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=544765982287235&fref=nf

Emilie & Oliver

That will give us time to discuss your real rates and work in some OTC.

Maybe we can send Oliver to the mall or something while you and i play?

We'll work something out. I always do. LOL

G'day.

In Syracuse City, Utah they from time to time call ladies up to meet at a café. When the lady shows if she doesn't have a sexually orientated business license they issue a ticket for not having one. This wouldn't be much different or even from a hookers decoy on the Vagas strip that they do have. LE will do a sting in public.

it isnt to make you feel badly, nor to make you be reminded its an appt.

 
  I personally stress that they DONT make me ask for it, I like the fantasy the role play, Two adults having an affair, Mentioning an envelope annoys me and reminds me its work an appt.  

  I really like to try make it seem as much like 2 old freinds meeting up to use each other for thier bodies like animals and then leave to go about thier seperate lives,  

 
   I enjoy this scenerio and do it in real life for free too, but  

 when your mentioning donations, and worried.

                         Guys may get offended. but you have to realize, we cant just be dim wits and be too trusting. We do need to make sure we are getting the donation first.

                 Many times guys bring far less and say they didnt know,. Or they simply arrive with no money at all and when you ask they say whatever. I had a younger boy in twenties last summer say he had to leave to go atm.

             I just got my 101 review! and trust me we see alot people, sure there are trust worthy people I wouldnt even ask for the donation from and i knew them since, like last night one the first ever reviews i recieve, in 2011, he still visits me, and we have a friendship. i wouldnt ask him. I waited til after.

 
                  DONT TRY AND BEGIN THE APPT until after the lady has recieved the donation. Put it in bathroom , once at hotel, and maybe mention envelope is inbathroom, Dont hand it to people, Hand to hand transactions AND mentioning monies exchanged for services WILL GET YOU arrested.  

                           the johns need to watch thier backs even more than us and if your in a sting god forbid and your actin the fool and talkin money services. dont freakin do it.

 
if she was tryin to bust you or in on some sting of any kind, At some point she would have needed you to state your seeking sex for a fee. So long as no one is being over dramatic on asking for sex for fees. its not a sting,  

they do need you to verbally admit your there to buy a bj for a certain amount or even gfe is a coined term and counts as sex for fee.

 
         if the lady never sounded like a broken record saying , so you want gfe for 300?

then it wasnt a sting, know your rights, It is not illegal in my state for 2 concenting adults to meet..................I know my rights.

its also not illegal for a man to help me with money for a crib or my Boston rent I pay for ocean front one bedroom, Which is also astronomical!

 
         but the minute people are mentioning sex acts and money your just dug yer own grave.

 
if you know yur own rights better you dont have to be paranoid and then every one can enjoy themseves, That was also in rather poor form on your end,  

trying to kiss her . That was like rude. You didnt even get to a room yet and she doesnt even know if your gonna pay yet, Trust me people show up with wrong amount all the time you cant start an appt until after you been paid, Trust me I meet alot of people and its just not an honors system out here if i have to inform you that then i am unsure what rock you been hiding under!

          I totally think you were not a gentlemen thats just me, But i wouldve communicated like asap whoa! like chill donation ect.

I explain it in my etiquette page though, That I simply will not start the appt until you have placed donation in bathroom, AND I WONT ASK YOU FOR IT>

i dont wanna get caught up in a sting ever either and so long as I know i never ever mentioned money to any body, if i go to court i can say money what money?

  If they have it on record the escort was askin for the money. Your fucked, they got ya.

                on my end If i NEVER asked any body for money......No one got nothin on me, I can say " money ?? what money?"   It will get thrown outta court and fast.

 
dont try n kiss til ater she been able to count the donation and dont make her do it in front of you and dont make her ask you for it, dont play dumb , your an adult, No reason to play dumb at an appt like you dont know you gotta pay the lady first,  

 I d suggest you read like 10 web sites of the ladies in full as your homework before you try and come out to hobby again little man. Thats your home work assignment, If you slowed down and took your time with us, , read our etiquette pages,  

 You will find there is a "follow suit" around the hobby,. and the same rules apply for almost every lady in the biz. We cant be naive and trusting we do have to treat it like a business and be certain we are getting paid first, doing that in public in a car wouldnt have worked.  

Each lady usually has a etiqutte page maybe you should have read hers.

just give them the dam room number? gina has thier info, they aint gonna kill you i wouldnt think if they have thier real name logged in a third party's data base.

    I have done, before , I wouldnt screen or use p411 but I would meet near by, and walk them back to my incall or my hotel room. I used to do that, and hope that I could get a read on em, and I always felt re assured. i d say oh this guy is a big sweetie he isnt here to arrest me or rob me or hurt me,  

That is hillbilly screening for sure, I admit i used to do it that way .

But she had a message from him on p411 why meet him in public , too???

I can see meeting them outfront and walk in together , hmm maybe he was right maybe this is weird.I figured he tryed to kiss her before they got the donation so that seemed like bad form,  

a kiss at the door is fine but i mean out in the car yeah i dont know, you 2 are both spaztic . you need opposite personality types to balance you out, 2 spazes isnt good.

... but looks like she has become shady for whatever reason.

be glad that the right head was thinking and stopped you from making a major mistake.

chalk one as a learning experience and move on.  

there's plenty of TER ladies to choose from.  

Don't choose from BP.