A question posed- not an anecdote-

If a lady posts a rate of $$$$ and you make an offer of $$$, is that nec. negotiating and a bad move?

Or are you giving her an option to try to fill her time at her asking rate and taking your offer if she finds no full fare takers.

What is wrong with this ?  I realize that full on haggling is off-putting, but does this amount to the same thing?

BTW I have never done this myself- but want to get a concensus.  Might this be a way for limited resources hobbyists to see their dream quests and support the hobby generally. filling up perhaps more dance cards...

Let the flames begin...!

Do not do this unless you are trying to get your e-mails blocked by a lady.

Also, it is insulting.  If you can only afford $$$, wait for a spec ial, or see another lady.

If you've never seen her before, you can ask if she has multiple hour discounts; discounts for repeat clients, and discounts for 'regulars'.

That is not haggling nor negotiating, and is acceptable (IMO anyway).

Forget flames, morning breath....its ummm...organic, natural....lmao!

OK. I have a couple of clients that are at the fixed rate of when they first met me. Then I have a client that was being abused by his ATF that I took on at her rate. If its someone I haven't met before, I would say no. If it was a regular who was having financial difficulty then I would probably say sure. But it depends on the individual, and I don't know how I would feel about it on an on going basis. Just ask, no need to wheedle and negotiate. Its not court. I give a free hour at Christmas, if they are already established.

I love that this post has been read some 20 times without a reponse yet. C'mon. Stick your toe in.

The hobby is about getting together with someone, not about chiseling or bargaining.  I realize, Sully, that you're not asking this for yourself, so these comments are directed to those who "negotiate:"  If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.  If you can't pay the rate, then go to someone whose rates or less.  Providers work hard for the money.  Negotiation is a thumping bore and a waste of time for the provider.  

We hobbyists have all had the experience of meeting a provider, paying good money, and then having her disappoint us because she delivers less than advertised.  "Negotiating" is the flip side of that:  the hobbyist who wants to get full treatment for less $.  

A lawyer is sitting in a bar having a drink when a beautiful women sits down next to him. The lawyer seeing opportunity buys the women a beer and proceeds to hit on her. He then asks her, "Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?"
The women looks at him and says, "You know for a million dollars, sure."

The Lawyer then asks, "Would you sleep with me for 20 dollars?"

The women is instantly upset and yells, "Twenty dollars, what do you think I am some kind of whore?!"

The lawyer then looks at her and says, "Well, we have already established that fact. Now we are just negotiating."

WHo is this guy?...Henry Kissenger...lol

Booiiinnnnggggg!

On the other hand, should a lady find herself at a loose end, she might deign to take a client who had "put in a bid" as it were, to fill the slot. (Ha HA)

I dunno- I've never done it, but one hears complaints that 'the phones are not ringing" from time to time.  I was looking to see if there might be a happy medium- no insult to the provider- more option for the hobbyist... Perhaps there is none.

I certainly do NOT condone active haggling over carnal interests- bad for all concerned.

I already know I have to hit the lottery to see HBXXX...

your morning breath?  Put some ice in the bong, I'll do it!

...please lay off the garlic and onions...


YIPES!

First of all, I don't think it's an insult to tell a lady you are short of funds and can only afford $$$.

It could be that you happen to catch her during a very slow week and she just make take your offer.

However, it also shows you are in a financially precarious position compared to the 98% of the other gentlemen who don't ask for any discounts.

From a provider's point of view, someone who needs a discount probably won't offer a tip, and probably can't afford to be a regular.

If I had my choice to see two gentlemen, both of whom seemed equally nice by email or phone, to be quite honest, the one who was more affluent would get the appointment rather than the one who asked for a discount.

And that is as it probably should be...

Offering the option of filling a time/date that is not already taken at a rate that might be mutually acceptable works like most of capitalism.  It has the potential of irritating the recipient, but also of reaching a compromise.  To not offer may leave the provider without anyone to see at the given time.  Maybe it should come with some flexibility as to when you might arrange the date.  Negotiations at best are win/win.  At worst they are nobody wins.  Let your big brain do your thinking!  I have had an interesting session after a discussion on pricing.  It has led to a nice relationship.  It did not lead to a big reduction in donation, but we were each able to express ourselves.  She did not cut anything off (either on me or the date)!!!!!

"If I give you a discount, I will have to apologize to those who paid full price, it would not be fair to the others". Not to mention it makes a bad introduction. "Hi you don't know me, but I'm a cheap bastard, and would you give me a discount, do you take coupons, how about half priced Fridays?" Bad form.

Unless you have seen the girl before and she has already offered you a discount. Otherwise it's insulting and makes YOU look bad.  I could never stand cheap men even before I got into the business. Just my opinion

One day a man walks into a dentist's office and asks how much it will cost to extract wisdom teeth.

"Two hundred & Eighty dollars," the dentist says.

"That's a ridiculous amount," the man says. "Isn't there a cheaper way?"

"Well," the dentist says, "if you don't use an anaesthetic, I can knock it down to $160."

"That's still too expensive," the man says.

"Okay," says the dentist. "If I save on anesthesia and simply rip the teeth out with a pair of pliers, I could get away with charging $100."

"Nope," moans the man, "it's still too much."

"Hmm," says the dentist, scratching his head. "If I let one of my students do it for the experience, I suppose I could charge you just $20."

"Marvelous," says the man, "book my wife for next Tuesday!"

Tally-Ho!

individual. Does one think of buying 'time and companionship' as one thinks of buying a car, where the dealer states a price and the purchaser immediately counters with a significantly lower offer? Or, does one view buying time and companionship the same as purchasing a suit at Nordstrom; unless there was a special sale price label, the cost is as marked. Or, if you should find yourself in a situation where demand of a particular lady is overwhelming, and buying her time and companionship soon becomes the same as buying a house, where the process involves multiple offers and the ultimate buyer ends up paying way more than the original asking price. I am not making any value judgment which is the more acceptable or preferable way of thinking, as it basically boils down to one's own perspective.

I personally prefer my initial contact to be with minimal dialogue and no games, agreeing to pay what the lady states is her rates. Naturally, if she proves to have truly exceptional skills in giving head, my appreciation and gratitude will certainly be reflected with an increased recalculation of the original quoted price.

Sully, the next time you go to an "accessory" shop let me know if you were able to negotiate a 1/3 off the price of that bong you always wanted.

A provider should stick with her rate.  If she is a dream date, then she is a dream date for many hobbyists, including gentlemen who will simply pay the rate without negotiating.  Such guys are not neccessarily saps, most and very accomplished in their everyday pursuits.

so wrong.  Yet I get it from time to time, I am a Dentist.

Let's compare with a few thoughts as it applies to my practice and see if they don't seem just the same for this hobby.

I am fairly high end.  That is I don't do the insurance scam, drill, fill, and bill sort of Dentistry that is so previlant today.  I think I'm worth my fee.  So far this applies...?

If I am asked if I would do the work I have just proposed for a % of the fee I have just presented, my first sense is to ask what part of the work would they like me to skimp on?  If I did choose to do the work for the lower fee I would be thinking about how I felt the whole time I was doing the work.  I would constantly be thinking of ways to cut corners to make up a bit of what I'd lost. 'Hmmm..maybe I don't need to make the patient numb today.'  Save the cost of the anesthetic and steralization and clean up.  Would you expect a provider to give her all if she was feeling shorted the whole time you were sweating over her?

Also, how do I come across to someone who wants a rate lower than my proposed fee?  Either I seem desparate for business and I make myself look like I do bad work; otherwise I wouldn't be so desparate.  Or, I appear to have inflated my fees in the first place which makes me look decptive.  That also makes anyone who paid the full fee and learns of the lower fee feel like a fool for having paid too much.  I think that this applies to the ladies just as well.

I disagree with the notion that the gent is short of money and some how deserves a break.  Hell, from my practice experience I have been hit up for the discount by folks who could afford to buy the practice and the whole block it sits on.  They just want to know that they got the deal.  And, unfortunately knowing that they did beat the price is often worth more to them than the actual service.

I do give some patients a break  I can tell they are in financial difficulty and I voluntarily give them some help.  But the true quality individuals would never ask.  Those are the ones who are most deserving and most likely to get the break.

Bottom line is you make youself look cheap and you disrespect the lady by asking.  She has all ready told you the fee (even if by way of her web page) so you only make her feel awkward when you ask for something other than that.  It's her call, take it or go elsewhere.  I think Rosie Palm will accommodate you for a very small price.

My 2 cents.

While I can see yet another web-based business opportunity, I don't think that's what this world is all about.  This hobby is one of two things you shouldn't partake of unless you can afford the full boat.  The other is gambling -- don't walk into a casino unless you can handle loosing everything you walk in with.  And don't insult the lady (and embarass yourself) by asking for a fee cut.  

This is entertainment,fantasy and escapism for the guys; a livelihood for the ladies.  And, as in everything else in life, you get what you pay for.

I say ole'chap,I believe my wife has an appointment with one of your students next Tuesday.

...the twenty spot is in the mail.

Tally-Ho!

-- Modified on 3/29/2004 6:11:44 PM

appointment, fairly often.  As a result, I often, even now, associate being at the dentist with sex.  Kinky, no?

Michelle would understand.

Every dollar I earn I have to bid, and that bid has to be accepted by my clients. If my customers talked to each other and learned that I would be willing to work for less $, then my bottom line would be considerably effected.

A Provider gives a discount, client posts information, reviews provider or back channels his buddies…all of a sudden that $$$ she made this week costs her many times more over the course of time. Never mind the aggravation of having to negotiate with any potential new clients, or pissing off established ones that read the same information and has been paying more. A real potential mess I would think!

Any good business targets their potential market and shapes their product and services to accommodate their clients. Certainly many of the higher scaled girls here know their market place because they eliminate a huge potential for clientele by pricing themselves so high. I am NOT going to mention any names here for fear of starting another long thread, but if a popular provider were to drop her rates by 25%, and word got out, which it does, then she might as well have posted a special, because every new and previous client will want that price. There goes that new pair of Roberto Cavalli boots she's wanted so badly...

Hobbyist should also know their limits. If you can’t afford to shop at Neiman Marcus, then don’t. Especially in such a personal, service orientated business as this one.
It’s not like your shopping at Home Depot were Homer is going to get pissed at you if you thought he charged to much, his service sucked or you didn’t get the quality of wood you expected There is a real person behind everything you do here that takes it to heart, whether it is reviews, posts or negotiations…

Damn again, too much champagne at this early hour and I’m missing someone too much tonight!!!

SM  

You can bargain in TJ, because everything is in the
open with plenty of chicas and hombres in the same
clubs.  If you don't agree, you move on.
And Mexican culture is more open to haggling.

In the US, fixed price is more the norm, and once you
began haggling you open yourself up to the possibility
of upselling, by the provider.

I think the all-inclusive fixed donation works best here
for both provider and hobbyist.

hopefully at some point during our date, has my dick in her mouth!     It hurts just thinking about it!

JP-

1) Last 4 Bongs were FREE- I have an endorsement deal...

2) This was not a discussion of how I operate, but rather a search for "the line".

What I took away was that one might make a single counteroffer and possibly not suffer but that any more does seem to be haggling.  

Both HBXXX and I know its never going to happen, so I've given up hope...until I hit the lottery

Please note that I personally have NEVER haggled over prices in this game.  But I read reviews that say it happens all the time...

I'm Italian for Christ's sake!

See...I'm now bringing out your Irish...ROFLMAO!

You can corn my beef anytime cowgirl!

Doesn't sound like anyone here ever worked in sales.  No negotiation in the US? HAH! All business-to-business prices
are negotiable. And even more so at the end of the quarter or end-of-year.  Software is probably most negotiable, after all, the dvd costs 99 cents. Anything above that price is profit, since the cost of creating the software is already spent. (This isn't quite ture if you're selling vapourware, of course.)

In the consumer space - what's a car price? the price of an airline seat? Hotel room? Price at a yard sale, flea market, antique shop? Concert ticket? Diamonds?

There is no disrespect or shame attached to negotiating. As Sully already pointed out, if I'm selling person-hours, they evaporate every day, with no chance to reclaim the revenue once they're gone. This applies to management consulting, manual labor, and even the hobby.

Anon

Its sexy as hell. Hard chair. Foot rest. Bib with metal clips. Stainless steel. Sterile. Blood. "Open-close. Do you feel this? Spit. Rinse. You will feel a little pinch." Goggles. Laser. Smell of pulverised tooth dust. Bright lights. "Hold still. Don't move. You can pee later." Brand new toothbrush. Pay the man. Leave. Be good.

... the real religion being food.

I agree, if a provider post a set-rate, and YOU CANT pay that rate

GO ELSEWHERE young man!!!

It is in very bad taste

BUT
If you are booking for a full evening, doesnt hurt to ask, it's HOW you ask that counts

PEACE

Discreetjade
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