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Biological or conditioning?
Faye Desiree 8275 reads
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It's the old argument: is the lack of attraction due to biology?  Mother Nature can't breed that way.... Or becuz of sociolgical conditioning?  But then the Greeks.. the Romans! So willing to leave the fertile female fields to go exploring with the boyz!  Hmmmmm.... Fantasy Faye

Faye Desiree8511 reads

Why you guys, why is it you really don't wanna touch another man? You love watching us girls touch and eat each other out? We're all bodies. Spirits in bodies. Why are you so turned off by touching your own kind? I find two men together to be HIGHLY erotic! Yummmmm... Faye Desiree

Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia -- the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.  More:
http://www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html

Analysis of Homophobia
http://www.cyberpsych.org/homophobia/

Understanding Homophobia
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/homophobia.html

The Religious effect
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fuel.htm

Big_Daty6516 reads

The simply answer is that some of us are not attracted to another man but the site of two women is even more attractive than one.  This is not necessarily "homophobia," unless someone is literally unwilling to touch another man (e.g., handshake).

The academic literature linkmeister linked to is probably more thoughtful than this answer.

-- Modified on 9/16/2001 9:01:50 AM

Faye Desiree8276 reads

It's the old argument: is the lack of attraction due to biology?  Mother Nature can't breed that way.... Or becuz of sociolgical conditioning?  But then the Greeks.. the Romans! So willing to leave the fertile female fields to go exploring with the boyz!  Hmmmmm.... Fantasy Faye

is it so hard to believe ,Faye and linkmeister, that a man just may not be attracted to another man and has no desire to do so what so ever.. why does it have to be homophobia or just because you are unwilling to touch a man it has nothing to do with repressed feelings.. I don't like to eat seafood ( real seafood) is it because i secretly love seafood and am afraid to admit it.. I have tried seafood I just dont like the taste .. SO just because a guy doesn'  want to have sex with another guy doesn't make him a homophobe or gay.  It just makes him a hetereosexual guy.

Good answer.  While I find female homosexuality to be mildly erotic, male homosexuality is a total gross-out to me.  I don't hate Gay people or think they don't have a right to do what they do, I just don't want to join in.  Does my unwillingness to give it a try mean I'm homophobic?  Some people would probably say "yes."  I don't care.  I'm not into labels.  

I've noticed that some Gay activists and their straight Liberal apologists are fond of saying that most people are really Gay (or have secret Gay tendencies) and just won't admit it.  They especially like to say that about those people who they brand as "homophobes," which is often just anyone who doesn't buy their complete line of BS and dares to disagree publicly.  By their logic, I guess everyone who hates Osama Bin Laden is really a closet Arab terrorist.

Faye Desiree5870 reads

And we eat.  It's easy to see how you can simply like some foods and not others... taste buds dictate.  But as far as sex goes: we're conditioned pretty early (media, mommies and daddies) about what's ok to link up.  It's not just a simple matter of taste.  Had you been raised on an island, away from the media, where everyone was doin' everyone... how do you know you wouldn't find the next smooth skinned or hairy guy a turn-on?  Hmmmm... we'll never know the answer to that now, will we!  xo Faye

Mathesar6705 reads

My dictionary defines homophobia as "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals."  It is possible to not be physically attracted to other men but not care in the least what others are doing (as long as they aren't doing it in the street and frightening the horses, as someone -- I've forgotten who -- put it).

A long time ago I read a very interesting book about swinging.  I don't remember the author's name.  What I do remember was that he was an anthropology major and for his thesis got permission to study the swinging subculture.  One of the most interesting things that he found by observation (and that swingers never talked about) was that homosexual contact was almost universal among the women. (I think it usually occured after the men were exhausted and had ajourned to the kitchen to drink beer and talk about sports.)

I know at least two escorts who have told me that their favorite sexual fantasy is a three-way with two guys (and themself in the middle).  A porn film director (Henri Pachard) once said that you can only fantasize about what you haven't done.  Perhaps these very sexual women fantasize about this situation because they don't often get a chance to do it in real life.

Certainly my own experience is that guys recoil from the kind of situations that would involve getting naked in front of another guy even if there is a woman in the middle.

I've only ever been in this kind of three-way once (back in the mid 1970's).  The woman was a friend of my girfriend (who had been in a swinging relationship before her divorece).  The other guy was a good friend of mine who I trusted completely.  We had been through a number of adventures in the "human potentials" movement together.  Also, he was foreign born -- not a product of American culture.  Personally, I prefer a three-way with two ladies.  However, if the way this woman got off on the experience of having two guys at once is typical, perhaps we guys should be willing to broaden our horizons and try this kind of thing more often.

Faye Desiree6936 reads

I'll probably be partaking of one this coming week!  Once, last year, I had two sandwiches (MFM - me being the peanut buttah, of course!) back to back (well, the configuration may have been a bit different :-), and another client after that (what was he, the cherry?).  Loved it!  xox Faye

God Bless women like you.....I'm a bi guy who prefers women but enjoys being with a guy every so often.  Don't have any interest in a LTR with a guy or romantic feelings towards guys but a little fun once in a while-maybe a MFM as you mentioned, as long as condoms are used-can be a lot of fun.  I too believe we are "sexual beings".

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