With the stock market in free fall, and the hacking of sites right and left, does this maybe portend a reduction of rates overall

Market forces will take over here, there will be less demand (i.e. less johns) which of course means lower rates.

Did prices drop then?  If not, why would they drop now?  You may have noticed the Dow was up more than 600 points today.  Will rates rise again?  It's all so confusing.

If anyone would remember that far back it would be you, well you and a certain person who likes to shit into dead mouths of course. I think he goes back to 1904, doesn't he?

My dad wasn't even born then.  As for Mr. Dead-Mouth-Shitter, he's so cranky he must have been born in '98. 1898.  In fact, I think he was with T.R. at San Juan Hill.

Less new clients in any venture or market means falling prices unless supply goes down with it.

It was and has always been there.  Just because some hackers did some stuff it hasn't changed the risk component.

But this is just a part time gig for me. Less clients calling just means maybe now I'll have time to meet them all!

It certainly hasn't gotten higher on the hooker side of the equation, it's the johns that are shitting their pants right now. So I agree if the supply/demand dynamic is going to change, it's going to be more hookers chasing less johns putting "downward" pressure on pricing, not upward.

I guess the gals at risk are those that only have one source of income.

slashed my rates in half*!  

What I should have said is that now that this whole business SEEMS riskier to the new and uninitiated, I don't plan on lowering my rates.

Just to clarify: after the crash did lot of previously $500/hr. girls drop their rate to $400?  Or $350?  And what about the gals who were already at $300-$400?

I think just as rates and minimums crept up is what we may see in reverse.

He ain't no Spring Chicken either.

...regarding rates in '08 but the agency I used in '09 had reduced their hourly rate by $25. Their rates had been $300 for some of their providers and $325 for others. They went to $275 & $300. When ladies left the replacements were $275. Eventually all their providers were $275.

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which really has nothing to do with the world of hookers and johns.  So let's not mix apples and oranges just because some guys are now more afraid about the security of their information.  A hack (or illegal release of info by a disgruntled insider, as is suspected) of a big, public site is, at best, peripheral to sites like this or P411.
Anyway, as you know, I don't have to worry if my personal info is leaked.
Also, the recent market melt down is more likely to affect guys' spending habits and gals' rates than recent leak.

I had too many clients and just had to raise my rates.  I'm pretty sure we are recession proof

I did very well during the 2008 dip and beyond so I see no reason to mess with what works.

And have a great web presence and possibly great reviews (I am not VIP). No need to panic and drop rates just to get the cheap bastards whp want the buffet style go around. You don't need that. Leave that to the ladies who will believe the crap they are fed.

China does what China does and the fear factor over here went off the charts...Dow drops and everyone panics.  

To give blanket advice like that is absurd. Each case/girl needs to be evaluated/evaluate separately. Some don't "need" ANY of the money they get from hooking. Some need every dollar to make it monthly.

The laws of supply and demand are true for "markets" in general, not for any one individual. There is always anecdotal evidence that may differ with the market at large.

1) The market crash means more mongers are poorer than they were.
2) The Big Leak has mongers fearing they'll be outed.
Result = Less Mongering = lower prices. It's just common sense.   You don't have to like it.  But denying it s just dumb.

And I'm not sorry to say either. If anything, and increase in risk would necessitate an increase in rates, but that's just the opinion of someone who is admittedly not an economist.

It's whether or not the phone rings.  

I first found out about mongering in the late 80's. A guy told me about an agency. It was nothing like the way people describe Nevada whorehouses. There were no acronyms. It was just called "having sex." There were a few girls who did not want to kiss. Cost was 150-200. It was all outcall. Then in late 1991 a certain basketball player told everybody a bullshit story about how he got Aids from "accommodating" 1,000 women. Then the girls started insisting on these polyurethane tubes. I stopped mongering.

Do I expect ALL hookers to take notice..of course not..just like any advice or experience..take it or leave it. Never have I ever bowed to the "shit I have to drop my rates or business will tank" regardless of what else has happened.  

It's always nice to get such positive feedback from people who actually know what they're talking about lol.  And congrats on having the stamina and good sense to make it through the last recession unscathed! Rock on, H+T.

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...For the completely unsolicited business advice from a complete stranger who knows virtually nothing about me or my situation and has (assumedly) never worked as an escort, himself.

Ladies, ignore your fellow professional providers and listen to him!  Years of experience in the industry are nothing compared to the sage advice of a guy who reads the WSJ and occasionally hires escorts lol.  It's not like it's in his best interest to get on here and scare providers into lowering their rates or anything..

Raise your prices or lower them, I don't really care, the actions of a single hooker in a different state than me won't affect me one iota, BUT you were the one claiming that "higher risk" would lead to higher prices and that assessment is just plain WRONG, as so many of us have pointed out to you.

What I said, in response to the original question of whether or not the recent issues with the stock market and the AM hack would cause rates to lower, was "Nope! Especially now that the risk is a little higher".  

the rest of my point/s stands.

I started in the mid '80s in NY.  The prices were about the same but all sex was covered.  And you can't be serious about "all internet until maybe 2010?"  This site was started around 2000 and was quite large when I joined in 2010.  There were also several others, none of which can be mentioned here.  This game was "all internet" (at least in this country) for years before that.  Unless you mean SWs.
Where ya been

Sorry, but you've lost me again.  Self serving means having concern for one's own interests ABOVE the interests of others.  

Self serving is not necessarily a bad thing. but it is what it is, and Jack's post is most definitely self serving. Holding firm in a falling rate environment and trying to make the case for doing so is most definitely "self serving" Just like if I were to advocate that all oil producers should hold firm at $100 bbl, that would be not only self serving, but futile.  You don't need to be so sensitive about it, you don't see H+T get bent out of shape about this, she will almost certainly agree that holding firm on her rates is "self serving" and she'll own it.

but hey, I make up for my chronological age by being VERY VERY immature.

"Jack" hasn't been here for "years" the first post by "Jack Dunphy" was in 2014. So how could you have been watching him here for years???

Or if lie is too strong, what do you misstate it so inaccurately?

Where did I tell anyone to cut rates?

That's not what your OP was implying with your one size fits all dumbass advice HT.

The terminology being thrown around here is making me realize I'm in the wrong place. I'm not interested in people who use or think in crass terms such As "hookers" and "johns" and frankly the vulgarity of the reviews is just over the line of civility. Good luck with the "hookers" and the "johns" if that's the way you think of yourself I'm not interested in knowing you on any level.  

First of all, I'm not ADVOCATING anything.  Nowhere in any of my comments have I advised, suggested, or encouraged any other providers to keep their rates the same.  I've spoken only about what I plan to do with MY rates in MY situation. I know you really want to prove your point here, but can't you at least try to do that without blatantly making things up?  

in your case I'll go along with chicken.

What I should have thanked you for was the unsolicited lesson on the free market... from a complete stranger who knows virtually nothing about me or my situation and has (assumedly) never worked as an escort, himself.

...why is your handle Poundtrish. Seems a contradiction to me.

None of us plan on changing our behavior simply to suit you, so.....

I said what I said to those who maybe in my position..only a hooker knows if her business will weather the storm from her experience or not. Some hookers think the sky is falling if a trick mentions she might lose business.  

As long as enough consumers perceive the cost of a service or product to have value equal to price the price will remain stable. In my uneducated opinion prices will remain stable in this market until there is a general recovery or a general downturn. Some will settle for less income before reducing rates. Some will retire and some will reduce rates and work more. But if you are looking for a general 25% reduction based on a few days of stock and commodities action, don't hold your breath.

Bent out of shape no and I hardly feel Ava's post as "bent out of shape". We are saying much the same thing, in fact she is saying a little better than me. I am rushed and need to get off this board...lol

Ok, lets simplify it. You said:

I LOVE hookers, whatever you call them.  And I don't mind being a John or a Trick.  So, yeah, you're probably right.  If mere words bother you that much, well, don't let the door hit you in the ass, yadda, yadda, yadda...
Not only that, she seems to be in flat mode because my post didn't use either word.

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I think she is in dumb mode

You might have a point.  

I am not going to deny it for SOME tricks and for some hookers.  

Let me ask...  

I'll bet the answer is "yes," not that the high-handed HomelyHen would know.

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That's the only way he could have been following him for "years"

The truth is the playing field always changes.  For every provider that leaves the hobby their's another just starting out.  The rates here are mostly ridiculous.  Tech money has caused this and the Stock Market won't affect this is in the short run.  They're still many fine ladies that have what I consider normal rates (3)   If  fellow hobbyist refrain from seeing those ladies that are charging 5 plus then and only then will the market change here.  If you ever travel outside the area you'll certainly notice much more friendly/reasonable dating situations.