...and how on earth do these guys think they know it happened? It is entirely possible that these providers actually to have orgasms. Many providers (and hobbyists!) are sex addicts, so sure, it can happen routinely if these girls live for it. But most of the guys who routinely mention "she had 3 O's during DATY..." Please.   Ego!  And do you really think these girls don't have your ego's number? I think most O's are faked just to move things along. Why shouldn't they fake? But if you need to believe you're so gifted, dream on. By the way, if bringing her to orgasm is so important to you...if you CARE that much...why are you with a provider?

C'mon, admit it - you get turned on even MORE when she's having an O, yes?  Add to that the idea that YOU put her in that state... yeah, Ego stuff, but nothing wrong with that!  Don't it feel good?
; )

Giving is a way to receive, and receiving is a gift to the giver.

I can't speak for others, but I don't fake.  It is much more beneficial to the man, and to women (including myself) to help him figure out how I tick, and make our experience real.  

My time is MUCH more gratifying, and I enjoy the experience this way... couldn't hack it if I had to fake.  : P
I'd become a bitter, bitter woman.

and their fake orgasms are a sign to the mother ship that you are so distracted that they transport a little microchip into the nape of your neck, which if you remove, you will develop cancer.

If you mistrust everyone, all things will be lies.  As Harry Mudd once said, "Now listen very carefully, Norman...I am lying!"

"How can you be lying when if you are lying and you say you are lying, then you are telling the truth..."

Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers...that smell bad.

I don't brag about giving the girls O's but if they have one then I mention it. And Yea I do feel good about giving her one too, I don't feel gifted but I do feel blessed to be in the company of such beautiful women. I think if I'm going to have an O then she should too. It makes sense right? Or Have I been living in Bizzaro World all these years??

There are involuntary physical reactions that happen when a women has an orgasm, they cannot be faked.  There are several clues that I get.  If a woman fakes then I normally want to end the session as fast as possible because I do not enjoy the company of phonies.  Why is a women having an orgasm important to me?  As I have matured, I have become very aware of how the woman is experiencing the engagement and work to fulfill her needs.  It goes deeper than who is paying.  I use my sessions with providers for other things beside pure sex.  I love to have conversations with intelligent women about issues that I would not dare to discuss even with my siblings, so I get some free psychotherapy out of my sessions.  This is one reason why my sense of a woman's intellect when I am setting an appointment with her is very important to me.

I think its kind of hard for a girl to fake it. I can usually tell if they have or haven't.

I have had less than a 50% success rate with my providers, but I never assume that a woman can reach orgasm with a man the first time she has sex with him.  Some women are that lucky (and you know who you are , but most I have known  aren't, so I don't make it a "goal" as much as a "possibility" by doing what I do best and responding to what they seem to like best out of it.  

I have had several providers not have an orgasm with me, so if it was a conspiracy to fake them just to satisfy "the male ego" (one of my least favorite terms), they missed their cues. :P  However, there hasn't been a session I have had that I felt both I and the lady did not enjoy the experience, orgasm or not, and there have been several that I was 100% certain that the woman was as sexually satisfied as I was.  

Ultimtely, though, orgasm is only one part of the experience, for both myself and the lady, and there have been times in my life that I reached orgasm with a woman that were nowhere near as enjoyable as the times I have spent with our lovely providers.  There have been a couple of times I enjoyed the woman's orgasm(s) so much, I would have been fine passing up my own...but they wouldn't have any of that.  Sigh.

As the lovely Erin O'Bryn said, "Love, not fear".  Amen.


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I can usually tell too -  when they are squirting all over your face.

The reason why an orgasm is so tantalizing is that it unpredictable, mystical, and suprising. Watching a woman orgasm is celebrating the feminine aspect of the mystical divine. Being a woman, when I orgasm, I feel close to God. I feel very powerful, free, and loved all at the same time. It completely freaks me out when I read about women that never have had an orgasm till later  in their life.

Sure, there are times I love a raunchy good roll in the hay, but sometimes it is so good, its unearthly, and I wish it would never stop. You know what I am talking about. I am happy that there are more popular culture books out there such as the that are touching this concept. Most major religions have a love of the feminine aspect in their worship: the chalice, the rose, water, etc. The woman brings life. Also the orgasm is a physical contraction that assists the sperm to make its way up the vaginal tract. This convulsory, climatic event assists life to be created.  

As far as more than one big "O", well  I am very grateful to be multi orgasmic. Damn, I need more batteries again.

It's amazing how often I read opinions from people that match my own so closely.
MSD, you are right on the money about the female orgasam.
As I have gotten older, and I must admit I am "older", I have found that while I do enjoy the intimacy of the sex itself, i really feel that my partners satisfaction is far more important to me than my own. I mean, really we all know that we guys can "get the job done" as needed,
I am more than happy to admit that there have been times when, as things progressed, through no fault on her part, anziety, nervousness, tension caused a "failure on my part, however the session was saved by allowing my partner to completely enjoy the session via oral administrations on my part.
We both parted happy and neither felt neglected.

Just an observation from a older guy who loves the ladies.

Music to my ears!

Cheers!

I would like for most women to have multiple orgasms every day, whether I'm doing it or not.  Even for women who really don't deserve it, it might just improve their dispositions.  Why wouldn't I want this for a woman I've chosen to be with?  Who I like?  Whose company I enjoy?

It's not ego, not all ego anyway.  In human neuro-psychology there's a such thing as sympathetic pleasure.  You could take pleasure in seeing somebody else's pleasure. Pornography exploits this; think about it.  Is there any point to a pornstar faking orgasms? Why? For her audience's egos?  Sympathetic sensation is  much better documented about pain, but sympathetic pleasure is every bit as real, and is very much a factor in sex, where it tends to create a feedback, a really powerful vibe.  Any experienced woman with any sensitivity at all knows this, hence the pornstar faking her orgasms for men who are not administering them.

Now I always ask the woman before sex, how orgasmic are you?  I expect her to answer truthfully so I don't waste my time if it's not going to happen. But if she doesn't, it's better that she make a good show from there to help me along. I know I'm not going to take a provider to any new vistas.  When you watch a stage magician, are you really any less impressed that he's not really doing what you're seeing him do?  Illusion can be a very important thing in sex.

From reading many of the reviews, it looks as though some providers are clearly multiply orgasmic.  I do hope it's the case, but if not, I admire those who can keep up the illusion so consistently.

As for why I would see a provider if I really CARE, fact is, I will *only* see providers from this point on and it has nothing to do with how much I care.  The "free" dating/relationship/marriage scene just sucks now.  The expectation behind it is monogamy, which I regard as a socially accepted sexual perversion.  I have about a dozen other reasons for seeing providers, and none of them have to do, one way or another, with caring.

/zin

Then I look forward to eating pussy to get her off.  I, like you love women to much to give them up until I do not have a choice and that will only happen once I am in a pine box with the ultimate woody on.

I thought, I'd been a bit too out there with my recent Tantra 101 post... and being so new, I was a bit hesitant to even touch on the mystical connections here.

"when I orgasm, I feel close to God"
Yes, yes, yes!
When you orgasm you are strongly running our most primal source of life energy, the stuff of creation, you are a goddess on the physical plane.

Thank you again,
I admired you before, but now I think... I may be in love.  
How about a rauncy good roll in the hay sometime?
; )

It's not just ego baby.  There's biochemistry:  More lubrication and a greater intensity of feeling that the provider will likely want to reciprocate; there's emotion:  if you can do this, you're that much closer to a provider feeling comfortable and open with you; there's selfishness:  if you pull this off, chances are you're going to get an even better ride for your donation; and then there's more selfishness:  I find it visually appealing when a woman's chest reddens, her nipples harden like erasers and her nether regions perform the tenting that goes along with an O.

The inside of the vaginal walls contract and relax spasmodically making the canal wider than usual.  If you have a clinician's eye view you can see it; if you are otherwise, um, occupied, you should be able to feel it. Of course, a woman with well trained muscles can squeeze you there so you might want to look for all the other signs as well if you want to be sure.

As long as its not radioactive...

What am I saying?...ZAPPPPP!

No wonder why my tongue and lips glow in the dark.

Cheers!

Sillwee Wabbit...lol...

Although I'm licking my lips thinking of the possibilities...lol
SATISFACTION indeed!

BTW...

SHARON OSBOURNE believes MICK JAGGER is very deserving of his knighthood from Britain's QUEEN ELIZABETH II - because she's "fascinated" by his lips and testicles.


although speaking of radioactive...
the rest of Mick's face of late looks like it suffered a nuclear meltdown....

Cheers!

What's up DOC?


The above post posted twice so I modified it as such...

That's all folks!

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I like it when they reach out and grab the headboard and rip it off the wall.

You show such a rocking enthusiam for your work/play, I am curious, and I'm thinking of asking this as a survey question to independent providers (if its not in  archives I haven't found). Did you enjoy your first experience of sex?  Was it a revelation early on for you, or was it more gradual?

but your right...Who needs Mick and Elmer's lips?

VonRyan's got the whole package!
Cheers!

Ain't that right, Elmer?

"My name is Elmer J. Fudd.  Millionare.  I own a mansion and a yacht."

Let's no forget the little sweat behind the knees?  Tasty- often repsonds well to licks...

And he hunts poor, little bunny rabbits. With a gun! A big gun. Rich, white, anti-animal rights, gun lover. Blech. And it doesn't matter that he never got the better of the bunny (excluding in one opera when he had a spear and a magic helmet). He did, however, often shoot the same duck.


Cheers!

I wish more of these thoughtful points of view were regularly expressed in reviews. I get "DATY, Mish, blah blah" and I rarely hear about what sort of more sophisticated communication takes place. Thanks.