If you attempt to fuck me without a condom, I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK if you are SNIPPED

let me play devil's advocate here..  

The fact is I DO NOT ALLOW IT.

And no one has “tricked” me into bbfs that sounds so silly.

Like why would anyone show up without asking anything first???

People are going to ask, you can simply say no. Why go on such a rant in public about this? TBH, it sounds like you're trying to get ahead of something by proactively complaining about it.....repeatedly.

I'm confused by your first statement that "why would anyone show up without asking anything first???"
It is a cardinal rule in this game that asking about specific sex acts before the meeting is verboten and grounds for the girl to end the date before it begins.
That's why this site is important, because it lets clients read reviews that describe said specific acts and to PM reviewers about their actual experience. This latter is especially relevant to BBFS because most reviewers won't even write about it. Just wanted to clarify.
Love your pictures.

Like inicky noted, the generally suggested and promoted approach, at least here, has been NOT to mention any specific sex related statements in initial communications. The reviews and profile, and the ad site, should provide the prospective  client with sufficient information to know if making an appointment is merited.  

Sorry I misread your post.. Never mind.. My bad.

I bet the majority of men who are on these boards would not ask for BBFS, unless it was with a provider they have been seeing and trust.  

I just looked at your Slixa ad and you have multiple or different rates (for different sessions): it looks like $700/hr for your GFE experience and $1,000/hr for your exclusive BBFS VIP experience.

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Excellent point. When you have a significant up-charge (1k per hour) and call it "exclusive VIP" , it's kind of hard to fault a guy willing to pay that kind of cash for assuming it will be, ya know, exclusive. Maybe you could share with all of us what 1k get a guy that the 700 doesn't?

I just checked her Slixa ad and there is no mention of BBFS.

If one looks at her personal website, particularly her "expectations" page, they'd CLEARLY see that she doesn't allow BBFS and what the 2 rate levels are for, GFE and PSE.

I also noticed on your personal website that you have a standard rate listed for GFE and a higher rate for PSE, which in this business USUALLY means BBFS.  If PSE means something else to you than it does to the rest of the P4P industry then you should hardly be surprised if guys show up EXPECTING BBFS if they are willing to pay the higher rate.  All of your "I NEVER do it"  claims ring a little hollow when its advertised on your own website.  It just makes all of your hyperbole look like this is just another threAD from a relatively new provider that doesn't know that much about the business she's in.  That's going to lead guys to ask, "If she's THAT new, how is the service?"  You should either change the wording on your website or else give a complete description on your site of exactly what you are selling for the higher rate if its NOT BBFS.  Maybe you want to visit some of the self-help pages on TER, including their glossary of commonly used terminology and acronyms.  I wish you luck in your business, but IMO, the contradictions are making you look a little BSC to the membership here.

. . . yet you put it as a reply to WTFsGoingOnAroundHere's answer.

BBFS. There are some people (like you) who think they’re synonymous, but there’s other definitions of PSE that don’t include BBFS, or state that BBFS MAY be included.  So advertising as PSE on a web site doesn’t mean the provider is clearly advertising for BBFS also, as you said above.  

As a client I can't stand these idiots.  
We have this amazing community for adults to have fun in and these idiots try to ruin it with BBFS.

then I agree… PSE with that upcharge means BBFS.  LOL back at ya.

In the entire P4P world who actually prefers sex with a condom? Seriously. I barely notice the new, extra thin rubbers and in my peculiar case it helps me last a little longer (I can go a solid 5 minutes most days!).  I must be crazy. Or maybe my dick is. But it has never, not once crossed my mind to have unprotected P4P sex. And same in 99% of civvie encounters. The only times I've gone unsheathed is when the lady explicitly asked for it. And when I did, I didn't slap my forehead and say "Holy shit! This is what I've been missing!"  

While I wouldn't say I prefer sex with a condom, I certainly don't mind and it doesn't bother me in the least.

I'm  in the same boat as far as the aging and sometimes not finishing.  It happens and there are other ways to get off.  As far as no condom in P4P, I would rather not finish than risk catching something bad because of the provider doing BBFS.

on the West Coast, there has been a gradual shift in the meaning of PSE over the past 3-4 years where its being used synonymously with BBFS.  Its a politer way to say BBFS, unless, or course, you prefer raw-dog?  It makes it easier to know what the service difference is between GFE and PSE.  Can you cite any specific activity in what YOU think PSE is than in GFE, or does she just moan louder?  

As a long time hobbyist, I have seen all manner of code words or coded language.  In all honesty if I see a provider is charging 700 for GFE with an upcharge of 1,000 for exclusive PSE/VIP, I would automatically think  BBFS.  On another note, what could 1,000 get me that 700 can't?  MSOG? Extra kissing? Rimming? A Full body massage? CIM with GFE but CIM swalling with PSE? Snowballing? An outfit request? A cold bottle of water?  

Where exactly does it say bbfs for 1k? Because I don’t see it and don’t imply it.

I’m ranting because enough people pissed me off to rant about it. I’m not pressed for anyone trying get bareback intercourse. AND if potential clients follow my booking protocol they are SAFE to discuss anything. I’m as frustrated having to use stupid acronyms as y’all are. Just tell me what you want and if I suspect you’re someone shady or it’s your attention that I don’t want, you’re not seen, period.

Do any of you, clients and providers, do P2P camel/stripper slide? Are you covered for that? I might have missed it, but I didn't see that it was addressed in the thread!

Does spending 1k an hour entitle a potential client to stick his raw duck inside a hooker’s pussy?

Some “pimped out” girls come out on top.

Agreed! There isn’t anything wrong with it inherently... just don’t do it with me!  

Happy wrappy indeed! I’m on your team.

After screening, I encourage people to tell me what they expect for 700/1000 an hour so we are on the same page.

Your questions are helpful. Let me ask you this —

Maybe we all need a Backpage menu revival to make things simpler.

At least *some* people understand why I have this up. 🥰

Eom

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My first impression was the extra $300 was for Greek.
I never thought it was for BBFS but I just would not think of BBFS in the P4P world period.

(Using my alias so you won't have me whacked. )

I shall, and likewise.

you tell someone to check a resource, you should try checking it yourself first. It’s obvious you didn’t do that here.  The resources you mentioned to support your position don’t in fact support it. And one of them (see link above) cites several activities that are generally considered PSE vs GFE… abd BBFS isn’t one of them.

Many moons ago here on this board CDL you bragged about getting BBFS from your K-girls and "girlfriends" that were of f the clock.

For example, there have been mongers who think GFE means BBFS because when you have a real GF she lets you do that.
Bottom line: there's LOTS of confusion over terms in this world so you need to do your homework re how that applies to a given provider.

I agree 100%, this woman is likely BSC anyway.

I just read a review today where the hobbyist matter-of-factly said he went bareback.  Whatever happened to the thought process that condoms were the way to be reasonably assured of not getting STD's, but especially AIDs?

Was this just a hot take from you? PSE usually means BBFS? On what planet? Been doing this for over 10 years and never heard that. PSE, to everyone I know, MAY mean louder, more boisterous and rougher fucking with tons of dirty talk, MAY mean CIM, MAY mean swallow, MAY mean anal. I stress the word "may" for each provider, and client for that matter, is different and will define things differently. I have also watched a lot of porn and though most times it is BB, many times condoms are used.

I am happy to see others stating their boundaries. It creates a respectful relationship between client and provider, even if the so called client actually is a “potential client” as would be the provider a “potential.” We all are grown ups and I keep believing that everyone is entitled to their reasoning, realities, opinions and comfort zones. And expressing needs helps me respect others space and time.

Thank you TennGambler. That is very sweet of you to say of me

That is a true happy ending lol

Excellent question. My eyes are glued to this one!!!

I dunno!! Maybe some people are addicted to taking risks.

It’s so rewarding — woof woof.

I'd be too damn spooked to EVER consider BBFS in this world---(Too much risk on multiple fronts!!)

If some of the lurking daredevils bared it all on Craigslist personals and never caught a thing! Lmfao

Nobody is forcing you to take creampies!  I only will engage in uncovered sex if I have a clean STD report to provide.  Believe me that I am tested more than the highest paid porn stars in the United States and am very careful.  It is a different game and both parties need to take the safety measures.  That said, are you not concerned about potentially getting vaginal cancers from John’s going down on you spreading HPV with their mouth’s even if they fuck you covered?  

So by your logic, any monger with a gf or wife shouldn’t be spending money on a hooker because they can get it (cum inside them) free from their SO? Hmmmm makes sense assuming mongers are paying for the sex; you seem to miss the point they we are actually paying for you to leave after, no the actual sex.

I didn't see an answer for the difference in the service from $700 to $1000.

Just had a fun time with my ATF.  She took what I gave her like a good girl. She didn't wash up which surprised me. I drove her back to her place. She had a big smile on her face all the way home. 😁😁😁

That is never true . It don’t happen in the heat of the moment .
It’s rape is what it is. Come try it with me and see what happens.

This string of posts is interesting... I certainly do a lot of homework before ever making a date with a provider and I also try to determine what her limits are and are not before ever even attempting to text or email. I've never had a provider explicitly say they were into bbfs - and as a few others have mentioned, I learned early on when i started playing in the hobby back in 2015, unless her ad provided good etiquette on her do's and don'ts, you really won't know what you're in for until you meet her face to face. Perhaps I've always been a gentlemen, but I've never pushed for or ever had bbfs until about a year ago when it did happen as a result of the heat of the moment.

and maybe change the PSE rate to read, "Trip to the Greek Isles."  Then there is absolutely no confusion about what you are selling for the upcharge.

I think the addition was Greek

been in the P4P game for more than a year is surprised by your anecdote.  BBFS is always YMMV unless they are specifically advertising it.  The vast majority of girls want to be able to size you up in person before its mentioned.  While there have been instances where it is, as you say, "heat of the moment," IMO the majority of the times its "offered" are a calculated business decision to try to create a regular customer if they think you have the financial depth to see them often.  Its a decision they will make after a little casual chit chat and/or email exchanges containing qualifying questions about you, before the sex even starts.  Making it SEEM like a spontaneous decision while engaged in foreplay heightens the feeling for the customer that they are someone "special."  I'm sure you are surprised to hear this because its somewhat contradictory of your fantasy.  

coeur-de-lion - perhaps you're correct... or at least partially correct.