A provider I visited on the West Coast recently mentioned that one of her clients wanted her to do bareback, and insisted that "many" providers would do so, particularly if the price was right.  I've never heard of such a thing and wouldn't do it, but I'm curious.  Am I in the dark or out of the loop?  Does this go on w/ long term ATFs?  Is it under the radar?  Or am I right -- it's way too risky a game to be playing?

it happens more often than people will admit.  I have and heard certain guys did it with certain providers, but given the attitude of the board people would not say so here, guys on SF red book seem more honest about this.  forget about "asking" providers if this service is available.

Yes, it does go on.  Yes, it's mostly an under the radar thing, yes, it's way too risky a game to be playing.

Just like everything else in life, anything is available for the right price.

I've been asked..I sometimes wonder if its a test..for "clients" to see if you are that type..and when you say no you wont they try even harder to get you to.because I think they figure "oh she said no,so you must not do it with anyone" more reason for me to get her to" I ask surprised  "your kidding right" they say "no" then I always lie..and say oh sorry I am not on the pill..because I feel when you tell them no, they take it as a insult like you think they have something.. if they ask me to do bareback then chances are they have asked another provider who may have said yes, and if she said yes to him she has said yes to others thats how STD's obviously get spread.. then the client always  say's "I just got tested.".yeah right..and I suppose you have never done this before..and your not marriedit blows my mind that educated people think its ok to ever do it without a condom

I suspect much of it is BS, much boastfulness or ego-tripping, and much of it a test.

I have NEVER known of ANY Provider to offer BAREBACK SEX for free, for a FEE or anything else, other than with their PERSONAL LIFE relationships, of course.

Again, I suspect most of this to be flat out BS, and testing.
I HAVE had clients ask if they could just quickly 'put it in - just once' and then they'll put a condom on. The look on my face pretty much answered that one real quick, and he didn't dare say another word because I suspect he knew his clothes would've been handed to him while shown the door.

Any provider who does this with even ONE client, owes it to her other clients to put this on her website, IMO.
So, the other clients can see the REAL price he's paying..

It is scarey how many times this comes up...
If we could count on providers and hobbyists to get tested often it would not be as big an issue.  Don't take that as I  condone the practice of BBFS... I do not.
How many girls REALLY get tested regularly... at the cost of at least $285 or so for full screening?
Now reflect on how many can't seem to keep their cellphone paid, their webhost paid, etc etc etc.

Regular Testing?

Ya Right! And Michael Jackson is innocent!

It is incredible that this topic seems to be the fixation of so many individuals these days.

Look, if you want Bareback, get a significant other, get tested, and fuck your brains out.

If you know a provider that does Bareback, for her sake, keep it to yourself (but first backchannel me with the name so I can put her on my "do not call" list).

Finally, most of the providers here are intelligent, beautiful women that aren't going to risk their health or the health of their clients for the sake of a few dollars on any one particular night.

Get a grip folks, I think this one should be banned by Staff in the future.

Just my opinion and I could be wrong.  If you agree with me, please reply with your agreement.

Thanks,
Loarthan

I don't get this thread... how many other threads are talking about bbbj???  Are you making a distinction between bb and bbbj?

I would think the last thing you would want to do is ban discussion on a problem.  The only way to pass information is to talk about it.  If you ban the subject, people who never participated or read the discussion will not have an opportunity to hear why people shouldn't go bareback.

If you yourself use a condom, I am not sure what the risk is of being with a provider who has been with someone who did not use a condom but I must admit I became sexually active in the late 60's, early 70's so my viewpoint is obviously different from someone who became active post HIV.

So I say discuss away, keep talking about it if you want the practise to stop.  If you want it to continue, try hiding and pretending it doesn't exist.

My opinion humble or not

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The problem with doing it with someone who allows BB when you use a condom is very simple. Condoms fail! They are not 100% Haven't you ever had one break? It's happened to me a number of times. Even if it doesn't break there could be a defect that is not noticable.

If you are going to worr about condoms breaking then you need to think about abstinence, not something anyone on this board would contemplate. LOL

Of course the only true "safe sex" is with Rosey and her five sisters. It's all about reducing the risk. My first experience with a provder I got gonnerhea, and I used a condom. This was before AIDS, If AIDS was around back then it probably would have scared me out of the "hobby".

I'd like to know..

well I dont know what providers you know..but I for one have never had a cell shut off or any other service turned off for non payment..and in almost every state you can get free testing...my gyno does a clamidia HIV and gon test every 6 months..and does a throat culture for clamidia and  any other std that can be passed...and it is not exspensive... your seeing or dealing with the wrong people..in every aspect of life,you get what you pay for..want a bargain go to a flea market... and on the Jacko comment...the jury is still out....

Remember, some GF's make their BF's wear protection, even after being together a while. Human nature can swing both ways.

I get tested EVERY six months, on the dot. I have it scheduled in Outlook, just as I do any appt.

BTW, I have had six month regular testing EVEN when I was three years celibate.

I haven't missed in 14 years..(and I've only been a Provider less than 2 years).

I made the mistake of ASSuming everyone did this..

PS. I currently have Cobra as health insurance and pay only $15 co-pay, but for all other times I use Planned Parenthood and pay them the biggest donation affordable.

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What should be banned?  This topic?  Obviously, it comes up for a reason.  If stupid for some, then it reiterates for others the importance of being safe!

I'm not so sure.  

As a comparative newbie, even I've been offered bareback.  No upcharge.  We just clicked and she was comfortable.  I was horrified, and probably showed it.  Declined, but probably not as elegantly as I would have liked.

It's scary.  Real scary.  

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I recently saw a girl and she asked me first "would I like to use a condom?" Naturally I said Yes, then again I did indulge in DATY. :o(

I recall having the same 'conversation' with Crown7..
I simply don't KNOW of any..nor have I ever heard of (meaning of someone I am familiar with) anyone offering or accepting..

Ya, Why Worry About BBFS w/out Condoms, Client or Providers, If DATY Or BBBJ Is Something Either Is Willing To Perform?  (other than the preg issue)

I don't know. It was over 20 years ago, I might have gotten a bbbj, but can't remember for sure. What I do remember very clearly is the incredible pain when I peed. Pissing razor blades is not an exaggeration of how it feels

Personally I have been offered BBFS by two providers without requesting it since TER has been around and I have mentioned this in reviews.  Since I have never been confused with Rudolph Valentino, Big Dicked Ron Jeremy or any other male sex gods I assume that if a lady offered this to me on a first or second date then she offers it to most of her clients.  I passed on the experience and never saw either lady again.

In addition I have heard well known and respected hobbyists talk in the chat rooms about this and other practices more unsafe than BBFS that they have engaged in with some ladies who are generally considered to be high class and expensive ladies.  I suspect that part of this is BS but personally decided to avoid the ladies they discussed and any of the other ladies that these hobbyists have seen.

One of the posters on this thread essentially stated that none of the providers that she knows would offer BBFS to anyone.  I don't know her provider friends but doubt that in most cases a provider would admit to another provider that she was having BBFS with clients.

But if I did give one of their names, you'd know who she was.

and, I was horrified by it. I was so surprised I freaked out. I definitely didn't handle it as well as I should have.

And, not I woun't give her name.

It has happened to me, and luckily I didn't flip out like it sounds others have...  In my case she didn't ask or offer, she just started maneuvering into CG without it, and at the last possible second when there was no doubt about her intentions, I threw out the "uh, aren't we forgetting something?"

Her response wan't "silly me, I almost forgot" but rather was, "ok, we can do it that way if you prefer" and she donned a condom.  There was no dount it was not a test but the real deal.

If you're nbot interested in a particular topic, go read something else.

anal prevents pregnancy

I have heard..through the grapevine by a client that has affiliation to  NBA that thats why alot of pro"s prefom anal..no paternity suits..too bad you have to worry about STD's I guess that dont think long term about anything except$..but in my personal life (if I had one) and if I had a SO..i would just prefer to do anal and not worry about it...personally I think its easier..feels better and wont ever get pregnant..and no I am not stupid enough to think its safer..this is a tounge and cheek comment  in reference to PHxAriz said

"I recently saw a girl and she asked me first would I like to use a condom?"

Are you sure that the alternative had you said "no" was BBFS?

I've heard this same question quite a few times, but each time it was clearly in the context of "is it time to don the condom and move on to FS," not "the condom is optional for FS."

How many guys have heard a provider say something like "YOU'RE SPECIAL so we can go bareback if you like, but I ONLY do that with you..."

Think about that someday when you are giving oral attention to a provider (also "bareback") late in the day, especially when she has had a busy day and several appointments before you???????????

Re: anal prevents pregnancy

I seen yours in pictures on your website.  I almost never get to LV but if you ever came to Atlanta I would see you in a (elevated) heartbeat.  I LOVE the photo with the beads OMG!  Maybe I could get a signed copy someday???

So do you think that providers get pissed at her client when he declines DATY and ask for a BBBJ or BBBJTC?