In order to meet the mangina requirements.

but without the chase scene.  Something would just be missing.

I do, however, enjoy long dates with gals with a lot of social interaction, talk, dining, etc.  But little mrfisher doesn't want to be left out of it totally.

By the way, Woody Allen wrote a short story just about this very thing.  It's a hoot too:

In rethinking the kinds of dates I offer, I started wondering about strictly platonic dates. Does anyone ever wish ladies offered a strictly platonic date? Ya know, like dinner and sight seeing, but without the private time. There are a lot of ladies who will offer such a thing when queried, but the rates and time blocks aren't readily available on their sites and then there's the awkward money negotiation which is never fun. Also, it would give a chance to meet a lady and find out if you click with out the complete financial commitment or hurt feelings if there isn't chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not talking about using this as a form of screening for myself. More like the opposite. A gent can book a strictly platonic date (for a nominal donation) and see if he clicks with the lady. If so, another date can be made for a more traditional companion evening in the future. Call me crazy, but the build up sounds hott to me

Just wondering if anyone else is intrigued by this concept?

Curiously Yours,

Veronica Sweets

..A sucker is born every minute...

I am sure such a deal will definitely appeal to one of those suckers. For me..Sorry. If I am spending a dime on a lady, its going to be towards her donation to get sucked and fucked.

M & Gs are there just to achieve what you describe, and I have used them successfully in the past to pre-screen the ladies.

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Though they had dinners with me .
 I hope they don't get any ideas  .  
Now I'm asking myself , would I ask a civvy on a date if she charged a few hundred , plus free dinner and show with no guarantees  .  Nope
 As for providers ,  her reviews usually tell me if we will click or not .    

Posted By: VeronicaSweets

In rethinking the kinds of dates I offer, I started wondering about strictly platonic dates. Does anyone ever wish ladies offered a strictly platonic date? Ya know, like dinner and sight seeing, but without the private time. There are a lot of ladies who will offer such a thing when queried, but the rates and time blocks aren't readily available on their sites and then there's the awkward money negotiation which is never fun. Also, it would give a chance to meet a lady and find out if you click with out the complete financial commitment or hurt feelings if there isn't chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not talking about using this as a form of screening for myself. More like the opposite. A gent can book a strictly platonic date (for a nominal donation) and see if he clicks with the lady. If so, another date can be made for a more traditional companion evening in the future. Call me crazy, but the build up sounds hott to me

Just wondering if anyone else is intrigued by this concept?

Curiously Yours,

Veronica Sweets

With me sometimes it's not about sex.So I would like just go out and do something,I have myATF don't see anyone but her .I would not mind paying her.This only way I would do platonic date

and at the risk of my buddies Curly, CCPA, Beenstrokin and some others calling me mangina, I am 'slightly' intigued by an offering like that. However for me, it would have to be at a substantial discount and it would have to include at least a little private time, but it doesn't have to include fking. I am ok with no fking, but I would desire the dinner/sightseeing conversation time, in addition to private time that would at a minimum include dfk, cuddling, massage, and daty, and maybe a mutual bath/shower. I have done overnights with a lady whose rates were 400/hr and 1000/overnight, and I have done dinner dates with ladies who had rate structures like 400/1 hour, 800/4 hour dinner date. But I won't do an extended date with a lady who has a rate like 400/1hour, 4000/10 hours. I do enjoy the non sex time, and hanging out and getting to know the lady and having a "connection" (sorry CCPA) and I don't mind paying a lady for "time and companionship" but I won't pay full rates for such activities.


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i am sure those arrangements do exist..but i doubt if any of these horndogs on TER are looking for platonic love..

But I will buy Starbucks !!!. I don't mind meeting ladies for just conversation, but no point in paying hefty fee to hear the woman blabber about her 10,000 shoes and lipsticks and how her ex-bf had body odor. I got plenty of friends who provide that service - free of cost.

Dude...You say you don't want fucking, but want everything else...LMAO... Nice spin. Sounds like a good deal for you..

How much discount will get you going? What percentage?

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... a shot and see how it goes.

Post it on your website and other advertising avenues and see how many takers you get.

I'd recommend that you give it a 6 month trial run. If it doesn't work out, you really have not lost anything in terms of investing a lot of your time or money.

However, if you do succeed, that will help increase your revenue and clientele base.

Serpius

Posted By: VeronicaSweets

In rethinking the kinds of dates I offer, I started wondering about strictly platonic dates. Does anyone ever wish ladies offered a strictly platonic date? Ya know, like dinner and sight seeing, but without the private time. There are a lot of ladies who will offer such a thing when queried, but the rates and time blocks aren't readily available on their sites and then there's the awkward money negotiation which is never fun. Also, it would give a chance to meet a lady and find out if you click with out the complete financial commitment or hurt feelings if there isn't chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not talking about using this as a form of screening for myself. More like the opposite. A gent can book a strictly platonic date (for a nominal donation) and see if he clicks with the lady. If so, another date can be made for a more traditional companion evening in the future. Call me crazy, but the build up sounds hott to me

Just wondering if anyone else is intrigued by this concept?

Curiously Yours,

Veronica Sweets

I didn't say I don't "want" fucking! I said I am "ok" without it. But I want other forms of "intimacy." As for the discounts, I don't really have percentges but I look at the numbers and then decide if they seem to make sense to me. I gave examples in my earlier post. For example the 400/hr vs 800/4 hour dinner date basically amounts to roughly two hours indoor and two hours public, so it pretty much works out to a two hour session, with dinner OTC. I'll do that date in a heartbeat, but for the lady that advertises 400/hr and 1600/4 hour dinner date, I ain't doing the dinner thing. I'd rather book 4 one hour dates, or 2 two hour dates. And for the record, on the long dates I have had, I never had to listen to conversations about shoes, lipstick or body odor. LMAO

But they are off the clock. I can't imagine spending money on an escort for any other reason than to have sex. I guess there are guys out there who would...

But only because some of our mutual friends tell me that you really are a sweetheart  

And please keep the business chat to a minimum...I don't want to feel like you're just going out with me to pick my brain!

The only gal that I recall advertising this type of date was Lauren Summerhill.  But she's dropped that from her site now.  

I wouldn't have an interest in that type of date...but I do quite often spend hours out and about with the gals.  But that's just me    And I'm not interested in paying a gal to go out and about...unless she wants to spend it with me OTC.  If not...I've got a large network of pals to spend my time with.

And to use that as a mini screening...again not interested.  I'll be happy to PM/email/call my buds who have seen her/you.  That will tell me all I need to know if I have any further interest.

But some guys may indeed have a need or interest.  And from what the gals tell me...it's not all that uncommon.

And OK...you're crazy.  But you asked me to call you that.  Otherwise the word is you're smart, funny, hot and not bad BCD either  LOL

Posted By: VeronicaSweets

In rethinking the kinds of dates I offer, I started wondering about strictly platonic dates. Does anyone ever wish ladies offered a strictly platonic date? Ya know, like dinner and sight seeing, but without the private time. There are a lot of ladies who will offer such a thing when queried, but the rates and time blocks aren't readily available on their sites and then there's the awkward money negotiation which is never fun. Also, it would give a chance to meet a lady and find out if you click with out the complete financial commitment or hurt feelings if there isn't chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not talking about using this as a form of screening for myself. More like the opposite. A gent can book a strictly platonic date (for a nominal donation) and see if he clicks with the lady. If so, another date can be made for a more traditional companion evening in the future. Call me crazy, but the build up sounds hott to me

Just wondering if anyone else is intrigued by this concept?

Curiously Yours,

Veronica Sweets

I'm guessing there's more of a need for this type of date over there. BTW, any chance of you ever returning to the Grand Canyon State?

Veronica, i'm surprised that you're not familiar with the 'sugar bowl'.   The SD/SB scene almost always begins with a platonic first date.  And a few Sugar Babes I've met have mentioned strictly platonic arrangements.  My standard reply:  "I'm not that guy, but I hope you find him."   SBs usually laugh at that, then start backpedaling furiously so I don't lose interest.  It's a chess match & my Knight just took her Queen.  Most SBs are quite willing to fuck for money.  But they're always looking for a Queen-takes-Pawn platonic arrangement.  

There are plenty of SD/SB websites out there, and a few providers on this board are already there.  Good luck.  --z

Hi Veronica,

have to pay for platonic times!! When I meet a lady on TER It's for fun times behind closed doors!! The last few times I've had a two hour session w/ a lady! I bring dessert & we talk & laugh for about forty-five minutes, then the  really fun stuff begins!! Good luck w/your endeavor!!

Posted By: VeronicaSweets

In rethinking the kinds of dates I offer, I started wondering about strictly platonic dates. Does anyone ever wish ladies offered a strictly platonic date? Ya know, like dinner and sight seeing, but without the private time. There are a lot of ladies who will offer such a thing when queried, but the rates and time blocks aren't readily available on their sites and then there's the awkward money negotiation which is never fun. Also, it would give a chance to meet a lady and find out if you click with out the complete financial commitment or hurt feelings if there isn't chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not talking about using this as a form of screening for myself. More like the opposite. A gent can book a strictly platonic date (for a nominal donation) and see if he clicks with the lady. If so, another date can be made for a more traditional companion evening in the future. Call me crazy, but the build up sounds hott to me

Just wondering if anyone else is intrigued by this concept?

Curiously Yours,

Veronica Sweets

Hi QS,

Yes, I find that to be true as well!!

Posted By: quadseasonal

Though they had dinners with me .
 I hope they don't get any ideas  .  
Now I'm asking myself , would I ask a civvy on a date if she charged a few hundred , plus free dinner and show with no guarantees  .  Nope
 As for providers ,  her reviews usually tell me if we will click or not .    

Posted By: VeronicaSweets

In rethinking the kinds of dates I offer, I started wondering about strictly platonic dates. Does anyone ever wish ladies offered a strictly platonic date? Ya know, like dinner and sight seeing, but without the private time. There are a lot of ladies who will offer such a thing when queried, but the rates and time blocks aren't readily available on their sites and then there's the awkward money negotiation which is never fun. Also, it would give a chance to meet a lady and find out if you click with out the complete financial commitment or hurt feelings if there isn't chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not talking about using this as a form of screening for myself. More like the opposite. A gent can book a strictly platonic date (for a nominal donation) and see if he clicks with the lady. If so, another date can be made for a more traditional companion evening in the future. Call me crazy, but the build up sounds hott to me

Just wondering if anyone else is intrigued by this concept?

Curiously Yours,

Veronica Sweets

Unless I misread what VS is looking to promote.

The 4 hour "platonic" date isn't a SD/sb deal.  It's a 4 hour (for what Lauren Summerhill was promoting at $ 250) dinner and chat.  Still not cheap overall to just take a hottie out for dinner...but it would work for someone who is really just looking for a hot "date".

Your SD/sb are looking for something grander than that...on a monthly stipend.  Quite different than the guy who is just lonely for a night...no family..friends..and is looking for some paid companionship.

And there is a market for that.  Will it turn into SD/sb?  Maybe...maybe not.  Depends on the guy(s) interest in working the game.  And if he has NO interest in that...something like this provides him a different alternative.  Not too dissimilar to a guy who just wants a quickie HJ..AMP is great.  He doesn't need anything more to fulfill HIS needs.

From what I've seen in this P4P world...anything and everything goes.

the World Series when the Cubbies finally make it.

Ahh..you've got them fooled  

Posted By: CubbieFan2

Hi Veronica,

have to pay for platonic times!! When I meet a lady on TER It's for fun times behind closed doors!! The last few times I've had a two hour session w/ a lady! I bring dessert & we talk & laugh for about forty-five minutes, then the  really fun stuff begins!! Good luck w/your endeavor!!

Posted By: VeronicaSweets

In rethinking the kinds of dates I offer, I started wondering about strictly platonic dates. Does anyone ever wish ladies offered a strictly platonic date? Ya know, like dinner and sight seeing, but without the private time. There are a lot of ladies who will offer such a thing when queried, but the rates and time blocks aren't readily available on their sites and then there's the awkward money negotiation which is never fun. Also, it would give a chance to meet a lady and find out if you click with out the complete financial commitment or hurt feelings if there isn't chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not talking about using this as a form of screening for myself. More like the opposite. A gent can book a strictly platonic date (for a nominal donation) and see if he clicks with the lady. If so, another date can be made for a more traditional companion evening in the future. Call me crazy, but the build up sounds hott to me

Just wondering if anyone else is intrigued by this concept?

Curiously Yours,

Veronica Sweets

J/K...

I have done an OTC dinner date before. No sex, but also no cash. (Of course I did pay for dinner...)

Don;t know if I would do it again or not.

Hi Z,

When I meet a lady for the first time I talk to her about the upcoming session in regards to what I can & can't do!! If she's OK w/ that then it's checkmate & the fun begins!!

The idea isn't bad.  The question is...what do you expect to get as compensation?

If the investment is minimal and there is the option of being able to extend the date into some intimate time, then I think for the right price guys would take that option.  Two hours over dinner and seeing if there is a connection...that definitely could work with the right arrangement.

Unless maybe the idea was to meet her for just an hour and then decide what to do.

I can't imagine dropping $200 on a girl before deciding whether you wanted to get more intimate.  To me, that price is just too high.

I think meeting a girl for $100 to see whether she's right for you is about the limit for me.  I don't mind walking away $100 poorer having explored the option, but anything more than that, and I would not be interested at all.

Hi CS,

.. session than paying an extra $100 to see if we're compatible!! I can only recall one time where the lady didn't thrill me!! The loud, fake O's were a turn off!!  I couldn't wait to get out of there!! As stated before If you do your homework you would have a fairly good idea If y6ou will connect w the lady!!

What you're describing is escorting in its simplest form. I have no idea if TER guys would hire an escort for a dinner date and not want FS at the end of the evening so maybe what you're thinking is the date starts out platonic at a nominal fee and if he desires to go further, then the full rate would apply? I also think you're opening yourself up to a lot of haggling over platonic time fees because most hobbyists don't put any value on a date without sex. If they wanted a civvie date, they could get it for free on a civvie dating site and maybe even get lucky at the end of the night to boot - still for free This isn't an SD/SB proposition either because he's paying for your time per date and/or per hour rather than a monthly fixed amount of support.

IMO, offer it on your site, see if you get any takers, and figure out if the haggling is worth the time and effort. There's nothing to lose in offering this and even if it doesn't work out in the long run, you'll probably end up with a few more regulars.

Is there a concert or show that you would love to see? Post on your local board. Guys may not want to pay a girl for a date, but he might not mind an expensive date. A lady in a nearby town posted how ,much she wanted to attend a concert; I got two tickets and contacted her. I took her to dinner and the concert ($900 for both of us) on the understanding that we would have a two hour date after IF we both wanted to. After the concert, she asked me if I was interested in the two hours and I said yes. She said that she was glad and that she really wanted to spend BCD time with me as well. But, she said she loved the concert so much and that she was having such a great time, that she wanted to treat me to dessert and drinks first and off we went. The two hour session was my best ever and I think she might agree.......there's a reason civies go out before they have fun in bed.

Makes sense .. if you have a guy very tired from work and want to cuddle more than a pillow after dinner.

Another female who hobbies with her male partner advised me to meet with providers for coffee to make sure there is a connection first.  She said they pay a fraction of the hourly rate.  

Might be a way to expand that part of your business.

I've seen a few providers who offer strictly platonic dates.
Shopping, food, business functions, etc.

I have yet to try it for the purpose of the build up.
Sounds like it could fun.

who I thought really clicked. I suggested meeting for lunch and she said $1200. Which snapped me back to reality in a millisecond. Haven't seen her since. : )

Yes, it's called a meet and greet date. I offer one on my website for $100 for 30 minutes. It's just a short date, and many ladies offer them. If you want to do it, try it!

Posted By: VeronicaSweets

In rethinking the kinds of dates I offer, I started wondering about strictly platonic dates. Does anyone ever wish ladies offered a strictly platonic date? Ya know, like dinner and sight seeing, but without the private time. There are a lot of ladies who will offer such a thing when queried, but the rates and time blocks aren't readily available on their sites and then there's the awkward money negotiation which is never fun. Also, it would give a chance to meet a lady and find out if you click with out the complete financial commitment or hurt feelings if there isn't chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not talking about using this as a form of screening for myself. More like the opposite. A gent can book a strictly platonic date (for a nominal donation) and see if he clicks with the lady. If so, another date can be made for a more traditional companion evening in the future. Call me crazy, but the build up sounds hott to me

Just wondering if anyone else is intrigued by this concept?

Curiously Yours,

Veronica Sweets

Hi,

You'll have to google the story for I don't think TER would allow the story!

The do reside on TER, however, they are not very vocal about their likes (because they will be called a "mangina"). Perhaps half the usual donation for a strictly platonic date could palatable, or you could just see a lady that has a meet and greet.

Posted By: perfectstorm

and at the risk of my buddies Curly, CCPA, Beenstrokin and some others calling me mangina, I am 'slightly' intigued by an offering like that. However for me, it would have to be at a substantial discount and it would have to include at least a little private time, but it doesn't have to include fking. I am ok with no fking, but I would desire the dinner/sightseeing conversation time, in addition to private time that would at a minimum include dfk, cuddling, massage, and daty, and maybe a mutual bath/shower. I have done overnights with a lady whose rates were 400/hr and 1000/overnight, and I have done dinner dates with ladies who had rate structures like 400/1 hour, 800/4 hour dinner date. But I won't do an extended date with a lady who has a rate like 400/1hour, 4000/10 hours. I do enjoy the non sex time, and hanging out and getting to know the lady and having a "connection" (sorry CCPA) and I don't mind paying a lady for "time and companionship" but I won't pay full rates for such activities.


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While there are quite a few platonic SD/SB relationships, the majority are not platonic. SO I agree, what she is proposing is not really an sugar type of deal. It could, perhaps be her "first date" compatibility thing that all pot sugar couples do, but I digress.

I also agree that variety is the spice of life. It's great to read a post where you are just chill with everyone being able to choose what they want, even if it isn't what you want. Because it's true, in the P4P world, anything *does* go.

I'll wear it this time

My mangina card is buried deep in my wallet in a secret pocket, but every once in a while I will break it out and wear it on my sleeve

So consider the context.

I know very few men who are going to pay for more than one of those without wanting sex eventually, or never seeing the woman again. Most guys on review boards are not looking for a mistress and if they are, they feel ripped off when the sex time does not equal to the money they pay out. Most providers offer meet and greet options for first timers, couples, etc. to see if there is a connection. Some providers even offer such things as a way to screen, which is really stupid because you can be busted just for showing up to dinner.

not for money. Just because we liked hanging out together having a good time. Been to shows, concerts and what not in some cases, initiated by providers needing an escort to go to function, etc.

It is all about how you treat each other, real or fake. Most human beings like real and can smell a fake 1,000 miles away.

If you are looking to offer this as service, it may work with a few but not many. By some, I mean, those who cannot get up enough courage to talk to a pretty lady.

If I am interested in seeing someone, I read the reviews, read the web sites, and look at photos, etc. This will tell me whether we will click or not. I have met several fantastic looking ladies in M&G’s, friends, yes but, I know we would never click.

Suppose, there is such a thing called Chemistry!

To have fun on platonic or non-platonic dates, one must have chemistry. If not, it is going to one expensive bad date, I would stay away. It is like paying to buy a miserable time.

One has to be socially awkward. I can find as many platonic dates I want and have many platonic friends so, why would I pay for an escort?

I definitely am in the camp of guys who like to get to know the ladies, become something that seems like friends, and enjoy spending time together. But I first pay to see a lady because I find her sexy and want to fuck her, to be blunt, not because I find her interesting as a person. Yes, I do choose ladies like you who I think will be interesting, offer something for the mind as well as body, but I cannot be sure that is true until we meet. So I start out by meeting sexy ladies for some private time, around which we get to know each other, sort of.

If I find a lady interesting, then I may desire to spend more time with her, interact in ways beyond the normal 1-2 hour private time. It has happened, though even when I think the lady and I share some interests, get along well, can find some mutual ground, that transition can be tricky.

BTW, Lauren and I had discussed a date along the lines of what you describe quite a while ago, and it might have happened if she had been local. But it turned out to be a logistical challenge to manage to be in the same place at the same time. These days, I would not choose to go that way, so I guess my approach has evolved.

The shorter answer is yes, there is some demand for it. But in order to make it happen, you probably need to engage in more lengthy, pre-date interaction to convince the gentleman that such a purely social meeting would offer more than eye candy on his arm while out on the town. At least that seemed to be how Lauren approached it. Is that worth the effort for you? Probably depends on how many of those guys then proceed to become regular clients.

zig

Yes, I realized I was opening up a can of worms on this one and I really appreciate all the candid responses  I've seen girls offer "coffee" dates to see if there is chemistry and I've heard that there are select gents who take them up on that option. And that's really what it's all about- offering more options for those who may want them. The 'normal' way of doing things is still available for those who prefer more traditional arrangements. However, I guess I should have stated up front that I am not the type of 'suck and fuck' companion some gents seek and my pricing structure already alludes to that. I seek encounters where we can connect in more than just the physical sense and there's no shortage of gents who seek out this type of encounter (at least not that I have found).

Most girls who offer these M&G dates are in the $$$ minimum range and it gives a gent a chance to meet for $$ instead to make sure $$$ is worth for the two of them. I agree with all those who said that they would prefer a traditional date at $$ rates over a platonic first date. It would make no sense to offer a platonic date when the traditional date isn't seen as financially taxing.

I'm going to keep thinking all of this over and truly appreciate the opinions of everyone on here!

Happy New Year,

Veronica Sweets

the only way I'd pay for time w/o FS is if it was a sort of travel companion arrangement.

the advantage there is we would "know the rules" which is not the same as meeting a civvie stranger for the same arrangement.

paying her.

I'll have you know that tomorrow I am going on a really hot date with three hot college gals.

Well...my daughter and her two friends.  But my daughter is paying for the tickets as well.

Does that count?

And I'm not fat...just middle aged