the Providers and the Hobbyists? Though it is entertaining to read and comment on such things as Providers wanting to review clients, Hobbyists upset about NCNS, Providers upset about NCNS, How reviews are written and scored. I have to ask some of you established posters, Who is winning this long drawn out tug-o-war?
Since Providers have all the pussy and half the money (and just about all of mine, lol), I will place my chips on the Providers and say they are winning the power struggle on these boards. Would love to hear some insight from the heavy-hitters.Guys have the money, (and dicks,) we have pussy,
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We're all here bc the other side has something we want.
Oh. And half the guys & ladies are hilarious. That's why I read this shit
I am glad you at least acknowledge that we are more than just money. Maybe no more than dicks with money, but I guess we'll just have to be content with that.
And people, and get along with men, (on casual terms,) way better than women. I have a lot of fun.
Only time I don't like being w you guys is if/when you talk me down or squash my dreams with your words.
So far we're good lol.
If they're lucky, we're not the fattest, baldest, and grossest thing they've ever seen.
In which case if they're professionals, they can still convince us they're enjoying themselves.
It's a service like anything else...if you think otherwise, you're fooling yourself.
As long as we stay within the normal bounds of civility, we are entitled to good service.
Yes, I need another cup of coffee! So pardon my bluntness.
If the OP is asking if it's a buyers or sellers market right now, that answer is region specific.
In the northeast, it seems like a buyers market.
Happy new year!!
Thank you for your answer Mr.AnotherDonJohn. I just posted another thread pointing out how no one on this thread is hiding behind an alias.....and here you go shooting my balloon out of the sky. It's all good though DonJuan or whoever you are.
I do agree with you mostly, but I also hope that the Providers do enjoy something more than just the money. I get burned out real fast working a job that is only about the money. Job satisfaction, in what ever form is important to me anyways.
Sure but...
It's the same kind if attrition for them as one of us in a ho hum job.
They do it because they can make a lot more money with the skills they have.
Some don't do it forever and start another phase in their life.
Some of those return for the money.
Others can stay in this job for a really long time, finding some sort of comfort zone.
You get burned out if a job is just about the money. The core of the job is, but if you hate it to death, and it is ALL about the money, no bueno. Maybe these ladies do actually like fucking you guys.
Lol. Nice of you to say. There's no doubt most providers love sex.
But they probably wouldn't be choosing to have it with us without the $.
I love the IRONMAN movies and suspend my disbelief qhile im watching them but I don't actually believe they're real.
Same thing here.
One of the realist comments I overheard from a provider calling her booker/ friend/ another provider is: she got lucky- the johns were young and not bad looking. God, does she still need to cum with her vibrator...
Would you choose to go to a job you genuinely like for no pay? Doubt it.
That's the exorbitant pay coupled with the non traditional work skills (hot m, good in bed, don't need a degree) allows providers to live with more than than ordinarily would if the pay were piddly.
Everything's relative. And I'm not THE wonder boy, but I am A wonder boy of sorts. Lol
I did not miss the point. If I had to take a job I did not like (and I have had to in my lifetime), because there is nothing else, then I would because yes I need the money to survive. I would be just doing it for the money then. Perhaps I should have stated in my above post that I have been fortunate enough that I have a job that is not just about the money, and yes I am thankful for it.
If you feel that I am still missing the point, then so be it, I guess I missed the point then. You will have to excuse me now as I am all out of argumentative fire. Maybe one day we can pick this up again, or not.
You'll get the hang of this alias stuff eventually!
I mean, not to put people's business out there, but I know girls that would absolutely fuck you for free. I've watched them drag men in from bringing their bags up because they made a nice comment, terrible hair and 40 year old bellman be damned. There are some shared clients that we ladies will text about out of the blue about just because we miss them. I also know girls who absolutely hate sex. Across the board though, it's always been obviously, the money, but that they also have fun. Even if its just sometimes. And the fun part is what actually keeps you here long term instead of being just another flash in the pan, I think.
My background is that I actually started doing this because its my fantasy. For real, this is the first thing I can remember being turned on thinking about. I started working, everything was wonderful, and then I got work horsed by an agency. They took my fantasy and distorted it into this grotesque mockery of my dream job, to the point where I had to take some serious time off. I considered quitting for good. It was all about the money, and that's all I had to show for a year of my life completely and utterly lost.
But, I have amazing regulars who I have fun with. Real, legitimate fun. Beyond the money, where else is a busy girl going to find that? Where else can I find a dude who will really, truly, honestly and happily be my weekend boyfriend? Where am I going to find someone who wants the exact same thing I do without a lot of time wasted and drama? My clients have a world of wisdom and experience to share, and I'm sure other girls experience the same thing. They are funny. They are kind. Why would I not be happy to make them happy too? And why would I look at this so negatively and singularly, instead of as simply a more awesome version of speed dating? You figure out if you like them, and if you'd like to keep them around. If not, then at least you still both left happy.
My point is, that yes. At the first email, we are meeting you for the money. But after that, it's because we like you. We can kick you out any time, we can not see you again, so why is it that the men are the ones on here telling each other, and telling us, that the only reason we do this is for the money and we are only ever just faking it? The majority really are not that bad, especially once you get out of a certain price range. Just because we don't enjoy every minute with every person, doesn't mean that there's not a girl out there that does enjoy time with you. I get that it's funny to joke about, and I will crack em every once in a while too, but the dismissive tone it comes with so often here does kind of make me sad. I would hate to think anyone left me feeling like I was only there for one reason, because I liked them all for at least something besides that.
Unless your balls are stinky. Theeeennn you can probably wave it off so nonchalantly as the money.
I think you covered the nuances of a common scenario.
I was glossing it obviously.
Thanks for taking the time and effort to articulate it.
I learned something.
People debate the meaning of Gfe- this is it.
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And Charlotte you articulated exactly what I HOPE the ladies I see think about the time they spend with me (not the stinky balls part obviously lol). So, well said and thank you!!
While I don't fuck for free on the side, even hotties my age if I have the chance… Ok, I just may, lol, I thoroughly enjoy it.
Seriously, I never was able to get off until I started doing this. Like ever. It's a huge turn on for some reason. And Charlie, this has been my fantasy since I was nineteen, but never actually did it until I was 31. (This month, like in a few days is my one-year anniversary for getting paid as a call-girl.)
Girls don't agree with me on this, but a lot of these guys know how to eat pussy too, LOL. But lately I've gotten the phrase, "I like it when I feel like a woman enjoys my body." And I am dumb-founded because I have no idea how the hell to prove that I do enjoy it. If I don't, you'll know.
"Baby, if I don't feel it I ain't fakin' no-no" (Rihanna)
I do fake enjoyment sometimes because life happens and you have to focus harder to get into it.
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My background is that I actually started doing this because its my fantasy. For real, this is the first thing I can remember being turned on thinking about. I started working, everything was wonderful, and then I got work horsed by an agency. They took my fantasy and distorted it into this grotesque mockery of my dream job, to the point where I had to take some serious time off. I considered quitting for good. It was all about the money, and that's all I had to show for a year of my life completely and utterly lost.
But, I have amazing regulars who I have fun with. Real, legitimate fun. Beyond the money, where else is a busy girl going to find that? Where else can I find a dude who will really, truly, honestly and happily be my weekend boyfriend? Where am I going to find someone who wants the exact same thing I do without a lot of time wasted and drama? My clients have a world of wisdom and experience to share, and I'm sure other girls experience the same thing. They are funny. They are kind. Why would I not be happy to make them happy too? And why would I look at this so negatively and singularly, instead of as simply a more awesome version of speed dating? You figure out if you like them, and if you'd like to keep them around. If not, then at least you still both left happy.
My point is, that yes. At the first email, we are meeting you for the money. But after that, it's because we like you. We can kick you out any time, we can not see you again, so why is it that the men are the ones on here telling each other, and telling us, that the only reason we do this is for the money and we are only ever just faking it? The majority really are not that bad, especially once you get out of a certain price range. Just because we don't enjoy every minute with every person, doesn't mean that there's not a girl out there that does enjoy time with you. I get that it's funny to joke about, and I will crack em every once in a while too, but the dismissive tone it comes with so often here does kind of make me sad. I would hate to think anyone left me feeling like I was only there for one reason, because I liked them all for at least something besides that.
Unless your balls are stinky. Theeeennn you can probably wave it off so nonchalantly as the money.
Pussy rules .
If you don't agree , perhaps it's time to explore your sexuality .
If exploring doesn't give you a definitive answer , check your testosterone dipstick level
Since Providers have all the pussy and half the money (and just about all of mine, lol), I will place my chips on the Providers and say they are winning the power struggle on these boards.
Would love to hear some insight from the heavy-hitters.
So, my dipstick is fine Jimmy.
Subjegation lol. Be in a position of power where THEY(chicks)desire to have what you have. Then toy with them until YOU simply get to choose between the lot of them.
I don't "tug-o-war". Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck. Show some damn backbone. Don't crawl up their asses like most of these guys do. Why the fuck do I care what hooktards think of me. Their fucking hookers for christs sake lol
Regardless of what goes on, on these boards, most all of us can make "that" call and get laid TODAY despite what Hotplants thinks of them lol
Hasta
Schedule the date, pay the rate, have a nice day!
Keep pretending like you have a reason to be here, other than to make hateful comments about women though!
See guys. Some of you prove that you are assholes. This winner is a perfect example. We give the rest of you the benefit of the doubt though.
.from someone not busy lol. And a lot of hookers prove to be nothing other than entitled princesses
You can try to subjegate me but that would agetate me greatly. I would have to decline to conjegate afterwards.
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someone answering in kind LOL someone stop me!!
My spelling usually comes from a bottle
I was under the impression that if the seller (escort) has what the buyer(hobbyist) wants adn the other factors etc are what the buyer can deal with, and if the escort agrees to see the buyer, then it is a mutual admiration society.
I just don't see the struggle unless of course, there is another agenda, meaning that the hobbyist wants push a boundary, haggle etc and the escort wants to lower service, bait and switch etc.
If it is all above board, there should be no struggle. Hobbyist contact a lady he can afford, escort charges what she feels her services (not her person) is worth
Lots of girls are out there and available. I do my homework, make my choice, leave my money and have my fun. Let's not over-complicate it.
I think you're mistaking what goes on on this board with what's happening between johns and hookers in the big world outside TER. In that world, most people have never heard of this place.
Recently got back from Costa Rica, where it's legal. Down there you negotiate up front with a girl.
"How much for an hour?"
"$150."
"No, it's gotta be $100."
"OK."
"What about BJ?"
"Covered."
"No, it's gotta be BBBJ."
"OK, $100 and BBBJ. Where's your room?"
No power struggle. Just a quick negotiation. If they don't agree, I say, "Sorry. Bye," and turn my attention to another hottie.
I am aware there is far less animosity off this board than on.
but maybe it is more fun that way.
In any csse, the outcome is pretty much preordained.
In case you're not sure, here's a song that explains it:
I can see where you're coming from. But that's board stuff. Most of us girls/dudes...we just see each other, (hopefully) don't experience any NCNS or disappointment, go home either a little richer (or poorer) and a lot happier.
But I think that this site gives guys a ton more power. We HAVE to give you a good experience or face loss of business or repercussions.
On the other hand...guys don't necessarily have to be pleasant, decent, or fair. A guy can put a malicious review up and completely wreck a girl's business (I know a lot of you say that one outlier won't matter...but that's you guys...the average client really doesn't know any better). A guy can have unrealistic expectations (maybe he's disappointed that the girl won't suck his ED-ridden dick for 3 hours past his time is up, or fuck him BB, or marry him, and will leave a bad review - one of the former happened to me once w/an agency, all of the former have happened to girls I know). Guys threaten girls and coerce them for OTC and unsafe acts...knowing that she can't afford a bad review. I had that happen to me once w/an agency...I just took my chances and told him to leave. Luckily he did not leave the review he threatened, but had he done so, I would have suffered.
Anyway, I can honestly say that I've never been unfair to a client, in terms of services offered etc. But I've had a lot of guys be unfair and indecorous...and worse...to me.
Had a client I've known for a while majorly rip me off yesterday (HNY to me, lol). Worst feeling ever...he'll be fine (he's well-established here) but I will never get my compensation or my time back.
Wow, I am really ignorant of how this hobby stuff works. I am sorry to hear that the reality is what it is then. I believe that I get along with most of the providers I have met, and am really surprised at some of the ugly things that you ladies have to deal with.
I'm sorry you had a bad day yest- I did too.
Both sides have these dramas...
I agree there's no power struggle per se.
Providers face a marketing challenge and hobbyists always want more than they're getting.
The guys I mentioned in the first part of my post…they really were just complete assholes. There ARE guys like that out there, and once they’re in the door….we just have to please them.
About the grey areas…I’d like to think that I extend people the benefit of the doubt, and don’t bash anybody unfairly. I think that it’s precisely because I try to be so accommodating that when my lines are crossed…it’s a big deal to me, very disappointing and disheartening. I can be trusting to a fault...but I'd prefer to stay that way (so long as I'm not naive), than to be suspicious and closed to people.
You’re right when you say that ‘hobbyists want more’…it can be very true. But not all hobbyists are like that.
To me, this idea is ridiculous. I see it, you're not making things up, but to me it makes no sense.
Why would I want to argue with customers? Why would you want to argue with potential lady friends? I don't know, but it seems that some on ye olde Internet are hell bent on turning the worlds possibly simplest situation into an all out nightmare. Sure, discussions can get spirited, and we can disagree even vehemently, but I don't think this is what is meant by a reference to a power struggle between provider and hobbyist on this board. Reviews, race, pictures, rants... those are the things that come up and seem to create such a staunch line between the two different sides of this industry.
To me, it seems like the bottom line is distrust. Everyone's a bad guy first, ask questions later. We are all just angry hookers and you are all smelly misogynists. We can't seem to believe that anyone, on either side, could possibly be happy with their situation. No hooker can be mad at one guy, one John couldn't see 5 girls that he really thought deserved 10s. The site is what it is, and as people, we are what we are and are not. It ain't a bad deal, really.
I can't say anything in regards to how the gentlemen feel about it, but I do know that there are certain things that girls often get ragged on about that, well, just don't make sense to me. We get dismissed, a lot. This more than anything confuses me because while we may be coming from a very different place, we do still have valuable incite. And, I want to be clear that this is certainly not to blame hobbyists in particular, but I truly believe that this continued disrespect and stigma within our own community is why we have not progressed further as a group, and I think that we have become a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Do you really expect most girls to be able to read some of the stuff posted here, and not hate men? Do you really expect other people to peak in and get a different impression than they already have?
We are normal people, for the most part. We just need to stop treating each other like everyone else is the bad apple.
Just a little bit of skirmish here and there.. Just a difference in opinion, or ways to do things. Perhaps a difference is value system or perspective based on cultural differences or differences in upbringing.
Yes, it was a terrible way to word this thread. It was an attempt to be humorous about some of the arguments I have read here, but apparently it back fired by my misuse of the English language. What a way to start the new year, huh? Well, for me tomorrow is a new day, and I will be looking forward to it.
With Providers struggling to make Money and the amount of Providers on the Market, I'd say the Power is in favor of Hobbyists. The Girls I'm seeing are finding this Business not quite as Profitable as in years past. Sure there was a Time when the Providers could pick and choose their Clients. But these days these Girls will pretty much take any Client that Calls them for a Session.
Some of the heated discussions on here are about when a hooker refuses a hobbyist. I am pretty darn sure the ladies still pick and choose and screen their prospective clients. Or there would be no butt hurt guys shaking their heads at being refused by a "hooker".
Some money is just not green enough for some ladies, no matter the economy
as I inadvertently stunk the place up with my attempt at humor. It really was a bad idea to post this thread, but what is done is done, and all I am able to do now is say sorry about that. I will keep my opinions to a minimum from now on. It feels good to have owned up to it anyways. Good day all.
Xo even though I think you're mad at me for some reason.
If you haven't noticed, jumping on thin ice with both feet is my specialty. I hope you get a laugh at my expense, as I surely deserve that. It is a good day, cheers Ms. Courtney.
Piss ppl off a lot. It's kind of fun every now and then lol
Has the potential to stir up the shit. Don't worry about the fact some got but hurt. Someone will always be but hurt because they love drama and being buthurt.
calls the shots. Emotion may cloud the decision making and/or briefly cause a different outcome, however, the end is always the same.
As always, this is just my $.02
I've never seen it that way. Sorry, I must be missing something. When it comes to who I spend my money on I read the reviews section and go from there. The BS flying around the boards is entertaining but seldom plays into my buying decision. Most of the regular female posters here are either out of my area or out of my price range.