1. NO! Guys will not even notice deited details. The imagination will fill in the blanks more effectively than simple words.
2. Yes and no. A simple website that loads fast is much better than one that is dramatic yet loads slow. Guys are impatient and not terribly attentive to detail. Give it to me fast... with lingerie and I'm going to pay attention.... If it takes to long or does not feed the imagination enough, I'm outta there...
Example of a good one: http://suzannessexshow.com/indexnew.htm
Used to be an example of a bad one but she's improved performance and it rocks now.
A bad one (Sorry Sonya!) is http://www.sonyaxox.com
Very professional look. Dynamite looking woman who gives fantastic service... But her website take for ever to load unless you have DSL or better hook up.
I LOVE and cherish my reviews (and appreciate the kind gentlemen who took the time to write them). The following is just my opinion,...I welcome debate.
My question is,...ARE EXPLICIT REVIEWS HURTING OUR BUSINESS?
1.Explicit Reviews,...Evidence for LE?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this business “illegal”? What’s to keep LE from using this as “evidence” against us? There it is…”blow by blow” for the entire world to see. Apparently some States need a warrant to knock on a girls door,...leaves a lot less "probable cause" for LE when they can see "the juicy details" right there on the Internet.
In addition it doesn’t leave much to the imagination. The hobbyist's give great reviews to the ladies, but then show them a great deal of disrespect by broadcasting explicit reviews on the internet for all the world to see. My goodness!, some of the things I read are positively pornographic. The hobbyist's go on and on about EVERYTHING the provider does, Euphemisms would go a long way in showing the girls the respect they deserve and cutting down on the “evidence” for LE to use against us.
2.YYMV
Your mileage may vary. While I do my best to give great service to every gentleman I see, what I do with one client I may not do with another. It all depends on the chemistry between two people. My service is all-inclusive and I do not provide “cookie cutter” service…I give each individual gentleman what HE wants (within reason).
A gentleman may read a review and expect the same service (good or lousy) and that’s not fair. These ladies are human and have their own good and bad days. You may have caught a girl on a bad day (Her car broke down or whatever) and her heart may not be in her work that day. Or you may have caught her on a good day when she is giving exceptional service, then turns around and gives everyone else lousy service, and you complain on the boards that “her reviews aren’t accurate” or "she's over rated".
While these reviews are great and useful tools (for the hobbyist and the provider) please dont treat these reviews as if they were the GOSPEL. I would like to see these boards used in a more Intelligent (scratch the overly explicit reviews) and Fair (give every girl a chance and judge for yourself) manner. Just an observation…
I agree with you in some respects, A one time review will not tell you a thing about a girl, things may vary, is the guy a slob, or is he an escorts dream?? Did her car break down, or did she just have a fight with a friend?? Most escorts can mask these events, and give great service.. I try to be the escorts dream and do my best so we both can have some fun. I look for girls with consistently good reviews. You don't need the explicid parts for that, a guy just wants to know what a girl offers..You look good kid, it's a shame you don't live near me, I would definitely call you, I'll bet you cuttle nicely...
Well thats my two cents.. Have a great day everyone, and for gods sake drive carefully..
1. Explicit Reviews:
What happens between close doors is between two consenting adults and can’t be punished by law in any way or form. Reviewing ones meeting is like telling your buddy or your coworker that you met this chick and you fucked the living hell out of her. What makes it illegal is if this was done for money and if they can prove if these donations were used in exchange for SEX or not IMO.
Taken the above into account, I as a customer want to know as much as possible and what to expect prior to going into a meeting. Reviews, for me are essential in determining if I will be going the next step or not in pursuing a meeting. W/O several good reviews and/or vague reviews I would not waste my time and risk of getting a poor meeting as good as I will treat the provider.
2. YMMV:
I totally agree 100% with you on this point but to add to your valid theory I’d say that a person who meets one provider for 1 hour should not expect the same for someone that meets her for multiple for the simple fact that in a multiple hour meeting you are not rushing things, giving both the time to know each other more thus creating a chemistry & bonding process. Also, it depends on how men treat the women, (i.e., providing a BFE and/or being Gentleman)and vice versa. Some Men think that Women should serve us only and we shouldn’t since we are paying for it and you’re not paying us to return the favor that, IMHO deteriorates a meeting if any of the two parties go into a meeting with this mentality. The more you give to your partner the more they should give back to you.
Happy Holidays,
The Good Doctor
PS. My theory of YMMV is based on actual facts were some guys have asked me why I got more mileage out of one in particular than them and after exchaging notes I came up with that conclusion/theory. Again, this my PERSONAL opinion based on my experiences and is not a given statement.
-- Modified on 12/11/2001 7:48:36 AM
Explicit reviews:
They are not admissible in court, for trial or for indictment, as they are hearsay evidence and not deemed reliable. However, that does not mean that they cannot be used to harm the ladies in terms of bringing law enforcement to bear on them. They ARE used by LE in many jurisdictions (OC and SD, for example) in determining whom to target for stings. They may also be used to get search warrants. It is NOT clear, however, if explicit reviews provide any MORE usefulness to LE in this regard than a significant number of rave reviews which do not include any explicit details. It is possible that they could be, if enough detail about the session is provided to allow LE to devise a script and determine a point when to bust in on a session. But in general, a bunch of different folks saying that they had a great, completely satisfying session with a lady provides most or all of the information LE could realistically use against them. Really, the most dangerous EXPLICIT info in a review is the contact information. Because LE really only needs to know WHO to go after and HOW to reach them. The WHAT that happens as described in a review is inadmissable, and LE will need their own evidence of that, and they will occassionally make it up if they have to.
YMMV:
Most of the better providers will of course tailor their sessions to the gentleman's desires, and their own enthusiasm is certainly a function of how much they regard their services as hard work, or a fun job that they love doing. The guy has an awful lot to do with that - it's just common sense. But, certainly, there are many ladies that will NOT offer specific services except in very unusual circumstances. Many guys see providers specifically to obtain these services if their SO will not provide them (Greek, BBBJ, Dom, Fetish, etc.) Since we genrally cannot ASK these questions directly when booking an appointment, finding reviews that answer the questions directly is an invaluable service. But there is a difference between seeing in a review that somone offerred DFK or BBBJ, and assuming that one will recieve this treatment themself in a session. Most ladies who DO provide these, do so on at least a somewhat selective basis - assuming reasonable personal hygiene on the part of the client, or the much trickier case; some degree of attractiveness of the client that allows the lady to lose herself in the act a bit. So, these reviews provide a guideline that such a service might well be available in favorable circumstances, but they are NOT a guarantee that the service is available. The worst part of this is, the guys who read that a service IS provided, and then go in and demand it, are exactly the type of guy that the lady would most likely decline to offer such a service for. There is no question that by treating the lady respectfully and making the session enjoyable for her, this enables the guy to recieve the most out of what is potentially going to be offerred. However, it is certainly useful to know when a provider has a set of rules that she just won't vary from.
The short answer is, EXPLICIT REVIEWS ARE better for business, and they are probably not any more harmful in terms of LE interaction than are vague reviews that still make it clear that laws were broken. In reality, the MOST difficulty with explicit reviews probably stems from the fact that they make it much harder (and possibly even dangerous) for the ladies to deny specific services to certain clients, probably for entirely legitimate reasons.
Sweetsable,
I share your concerns on these issues also. The posters above me have responded well to your concerns about LE. I know Louisiana law is different than most other states, but in the other 49, the reviews are considered hearsay evidence and not permissible in court. There is no way to authenticate their validity. Guys can brag and say anything they want. We've also seen that some of the reviews are bogus, concocted from previously posted reviews by guys trying to scam a free VIP membership. Sometimes they are written with malicious intent, as well. With all these posibilities for fiction, they simply can't be used in court, even if some vice cop may try to wave them in your face to intimidate you, should you ever get busted.
While these issues may make them inadmissable in court, I do believe the reviews themselves can assist LE in terms of putting you on their "radar screen" and making it easy to contact you. But if you're already advertising, you've already crossed that line, so the reviews aren't going to make that much difference. I do worry, however, that reading the reviews makes it easier for LE to disguise themselves by already knowing the details of how you run your business. It makes it easier for them to desensitize you with a series of emails and phone calls that appear more legitimate than they otherwise might be-so never let your guard down.
On a personal level, I don't post reviews (except a rip-off alert) because I feel the juicy details are a violation of an intimacy I enjoyed with a woman, and since the results are so personal (YMMV), I don't like to imply to someone else the same things would happen again. I wouldn't mind posting a more cleverly written review that was less explicit, but those seem to get rejected so it's not worth the bother. Since even my "mileage" varies with the same woman from session to session, I don't like to make blanket statements about what she will or won't do. Also, as has been previously stated, the chemistry and comfort level between you and your client define what will happen, not a review.
Just don't let your guard down with anybody, until you've confirmed they are legitimate. I'm not an expert at the best screening techniques, but I would always assume the worst until you have proof to the contrary. Best of luck to you.
-- Modified on 12/11/2001 11:50:34 AM
i'm in agreement with some of what everyone says here. i have attempted to submit reviews that include clever phrases and less explicit tone. they never get posted, and i can't even get a response as to why, when i try to use the review response form it always gives some sort of java scripting error. i'd like to think that my experience would be even a bit helpful to most.
i've visited canada, spain, miami, orlando, tampa, new orleans, dallas, houston, atlanta, LA, and san fran in the past 2 years...
do we have further posting or info sharing options i'm not aware of? interested minds would like to know...
2 NEW QUESTIONS:
QUESTION #1:
I "edited" the Juicy Details OUT of my reviews on my site (forget LE, I did it out of modesty! It is explicit and quite frankly I am a little embarrassed by the juicy details. I know that this is the nature of the business, but My Goodness!)
QUESTION: Do you think that's going to "hurt" me? I provide links to the sites so that if anyone wants to see the "Unedited" version they can. Like one of you said,...
"The short answer is, EXPLICIT REVIEWS ARE better for business, and they are probably not any more harmful in terms of LE interaction than are vague reviews that still make it clear that laws were broken. In reality, the MOST difficulty with explicit reviews probably stems from the fact that they make it much harder (and possibly even dangerous) for the ladies to deny specific services to certain clients, probably for entirely legitimate reasons."
I guess what I'm REALLY asking is: I'm "shy" about the juicy details, will guys hold it against me if I "edit" them on my site?
QUESTION #2:
Do guys really care about how "Professional" a website looks?
This business is expensive. By the time you add up the costs of “professional photographs, professional websites and all that goes with that) you are looking at THOUSANDS of dollars to get started in this business. Some of us had to start from the very beginning, with homemade photos and websites – and some people hold it against us.
Just because photographs and websites aren’t “professional” doesn’t mean the provider isn’t either. “Ya gotta start somewhere”, and not everyone can start at the top. . It’s hard to rise to the top in any business, and this business is no exception. How do you guys determine if a girl is worth seeing if her site is "homemade"?
Sable
1. I can't imagine anyone minding that you've choosen to take excerpts of your reviews in lieu posting the entire review- this should be fine.
2. "Homemade" is good! "Homemade" tells us something more about you! And snapshots taken by friends are more the norm than the exception. Most guys (I think) are not expecting photos taken by a glamour photographer (although that's nice too) but are just wanting to know that the photo REALLY is you........Glamour photos could actually be more of a problem for someone just starting out since.........you guessed it........a lot times they're fakes!
Since the "juicy details" are only available to VIP members on TER (not the general public), I thinks it's absolutely appropriate that you edit them out for use on your site. If your site had a members area (it' didn't see one) then you might share the juicy details. Other than that, I think you're doing the right thing.
As for photographs, I think most guys just want to ensure the basics regarding your stats- body type, general appearance, weight etc. Even if the face is obscurred on a lady's picture, I can still usually tell all I need to know from a nice bikini or lingerie shot.
As to how to get better photos (if you feel you need them), there are a lot of skilled amateurs that can equal, or are just a notch below, a full time professional in terms of the quality of their work. A lot of these guys pay for glamour models as part of their hobby, and might do your pictures for free, or maybe just for the cost of materials. I'm sure some of them can be found on TER.
If you can't find any volunteers, you can also offer to trade services. Just make sure the guy is actually a photographer first! We've seen that sort of post on the LA Board occasionally, usually by girls starting out, but also by established escorts just trying to upgrade. I've taken glamour photos for escort friends before, so I'm sure you can find someone in your area.
1. I don't see a problem of you editing your reviews on your site at all. If someone wants to see a more graphical and detailed review then they can see them at the links you provide. Some providers only post links of their reviews so they do not look like they are faked or self post. By providing a link, these posted reviews will become more credible than if you didn't.
2. I can care less on a website since we know that the majority are done by third parties and as for photos I personally prefer a homemade photo since a professional photo could be retouched 100% causing a wrong impression. If you are gorgeous, have the curves and looks it will show in a homemade and even more in a professional photo. So if you have the medium it would be nice to show them both.
The Good Doctor
1. NO! Guys will not even notice deited details. The imagination will fill in the blanks more effectively than simple words.
2. Yes and no. A simple website that loads fast is much better than one that is dramatic yet loads slow. Guys are impatient and not terribly attentive to detail. Give it to me fast... with lingerie and I'm going to pay attention.... If it takes to long or does not feed the imagination enough, I'm outta there...
Example of a good one: http://suzannessexshow.com/indexnew.htm
Used to be an example of a bad one but she's improved performance and it rocks now.
A bad one (Sorry Sonya!) is http://www.sonyaxox.com
Very professional look. Dynamite looking woman who gives fantastic service... But her website take for ever to load unless you have DSL or better hook up.
There is nothing worse than opening a web page and suddenly the sounds blare out when you are trying to be discreet!!
Hate to break your heart, but Sonya's website is even slow with DSL. It is slick though once you get past the blaring noise.
This is a question that has been discussed a few times on the LA board before. Personally, I would like the STAFF to allow less explicit reviews in the juicy details section. Just enough to let members know about the experience in the session without necessarily going into explicit details. I don't think that they are bad for biz, except when someone provides something special for a client that may not ordinarily be on the menu of services and that is revealed as it may cause expectations to rise for others. If that's the case, and you know that they might post a review, I think most would honor a request not to include those details in a review.
I don't think that anyone holds it against someone for a "less than professionally done" site. As long it is tasteful, provides useful and truthful information, and has attractive photographs I see nothing wrong with a "homemade" website. It's always nice to say "...I made this site myself..." if that's the case.
JMHO
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