TER General Board

And now for the wind up. May I please have another.
ThePeopleRule 2142 reads
posted
1 / 29

Out of the mouth of a New Orleans law enforcement official.

Another gem from an agency director in NO:
"stripping leads young women to become victims of sex trafficking."

Click on link below and click on stories embedded in that link.

Comments and experiences welcome, especially from current and former strippers.

JakeFromStateFarm 66 reads
posted
2 / 29

Selling is trafficking.  So I guess even if you have not been coerced and are working only for yourself, if you sell your body you are sex trafficking.  Trouble is, at that point the definition becomes useless in discriminating between what should be a crime and what should not.

NoGreenBorderedEnvelope 60 reads
posted
3 / 29

The Feds define human trafficking thus:

"Human trafficking is modern-day slavery and involves the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act. ... Human trafficking is a hidden crime as victims rarely come forward to seek help because of language barriers, fear of the traffickers, and/or fear of law enforcement"

The key here is that selling doesn't have to involve use of force, fraud, or coercion.  Trafficking does--always.

DT_lover 188 Reviews 60 reads
posted
4 / 29

They were all tourists traps with no locals hanging out.  I should have noticed that and stayed away.

One place had a nice looking girl standing on stage.  I figured she would start dancing once a guy came in an d bought a drink.  No such luck.  Not only that, I gave the bartender a 50 and got change back for a 10.  When I complained she called a manager who immediately "counted the register" contents and said it was exact.

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MiMi See my TER Reviews 78 reads
posted
5 / 29

I stripped for a year or so before transitioning into escorting.  I have always been completely independent, and there is no way that anything I have done could be considered sex trafficking.  That said, I can see how it would be possible for predators to "shop" at strip clubs for women who might be vulnerable to exploitation.  

Tippecanoe 75 reads
posted
6 / 29

Did you ever see this happen or experience being 'recruited' by a pimp?  Just curious.

Posted By: MiMi
Re: As with most things, this is not an either/or issue.
I stripped for a year or so before transitioning into escorting.  I have always been completely independent, and there is no way that anything I have done could be considered sex trafficking.  That said, I can see how it would be possible for predators to "shop" at strip clubs for women who might be vulnerable to exploitation.  

dicerbo 42 Reviews 64 reads
posted
7 / 29

This is a frequently used tactic by the hypocritical "family values" politicians. They try to legislate morality by tying 'immoral' acts to much worse but only loosely-related acts, i.e. sex work and human trafficking, or marijuana use facilitating cartel wars, etc.

If sex acts can be performed for free legally between two consenting adults, any legal argument against monetizing those acts is bullshit

souls_harbor 48 reads
posted
8 / 29

If you think sexuality is solely constrained by right wingers you haven't visited college campuses these days.

MiMi See my TER Reviews 91 reads
posted
9 / 29

I did see plenty of girls saying yes when they wanted to say no - usually due to a drug problem.  And I did see the occasional predator who got off on the power of exploiting desperation.  I also saw plenty of girls exploiting the drunkenness and/or naivete of male patrons.  The sex industry offers unique opportunities to exploit human vulnerabilities all the way around.  Fortunately, it is possible to avoid the ugliness and to maximize the joy - a fact I can happily vouch for!  

mrfisher 111 Reviews 24 reads
posted
10 / 29

that seeks to cure the problem by killing the means of survival.

 
In any case, it's not even strictly true.   I've seen many a gal who had a lucrative day job and chose escorting because they enjoyed it.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 55 reads
posted
11 / 29

Single scenario where a woman CHOOSES sex work is being forced, coerced, or defrauded. Maybe the OP can explain how he gets to this conclusion, but I doubt it.

scb19 10 Reviews 59 reads
posted
12 / 29

where the men are men and so are the women.

dicerbo 42 Reviews 55 reads
posted
13 / 29

Posted By: souls_harbor
If you think sexuality is solely constrained by right wingers you haven't visited college campuses these days.
If you're referring to the current conversations on college campuses surrounding the topic of consent, I see that as liberating, not constraining. Consent is pretty damn important

ThePeopleRule 57 reads
posted
14 / 29

Lion-butt:  you demonstrate for all who read here your inability to read.  

I am surprised the Trump Administration has not yet called you to help out.

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 62 reads
posted
15 / 29

This was not the OP's opinion. Pleas read the text of the message before replying to the subject line.

Allstar 9 Reviews 51 reads
posted
16 / 29

When I came out of high school, one of my friends was a stripper in Milwaukee. I spent a lot of time at that place, because she was such a good friend. All the girls would come sit with my friend and I when it was slow. An observation I made is it takes a certain type of woman to be a good stripper. All the “nice girls” had a hard time taking a guys money and ended up quitting, because they were not making money. They would sit with these guys who told them sad stories, they tried to connect with them, to empathize, and then they never got sexy and danced...they never took the guys money! LOL. The girls who could smile, be sexy and work the room cleaned up.

Same scenario with Hooters waitresses. Another friend I knew in my 30’s was dating a young liberal feminist college student. She felt the clothing the women were wearing was sexist and oppressive to women. Yet the beautiful girls who looked amazing in the outfit, and were totally confident and comfortable, cleaned up on tips just smiling and schmoozing the guys getting drunk watching football. I think women  who are the most uncomfortable exploiting their sexuality to get what they want, are more likely to believe it isn’t possible to separate feelings from their sexuality and that women are being forced, or someone, or something is to blame.  

Some fathers of daughters believe women (their little girls) couldn’t possibly be so comfortable with their sexuality, that they can separate feelings from the physical act of sex, or use their body to make money, think she must be being forced, or someone, or something is to blame. In my opinion, It’s simply a diffence in world views and a clear understanding, or even lack of acceptance of others who are that comfortable with and willing to use their bodies to make money. These people they don’t understand must be saved so to speak.

souls_harbor 58 reads
posted
17 / 29

Snowflakes, safe spaces ... etc.  Social Justice Warriors don't have "conversations"  they are either lecturing or reporting you for thought crimes.

Anyhow there is no groundswell of support for sex workers in liberal circles.  The only place you find consistent support for the freedom of sex workers is in the libertarian camps.  This consistency has held for the last 50 years.  

ThePeopleRule 63 reads
posted
18 / 29

Thank you to the Delegate from Hawaii for offering a verifying observation to Lion-Butt's failure to read.

Apparently he has no response; he has been noticeably absent for many hours.

I seldom post on any Board (he's a carpetbagger in San Diego) since he has been around.

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 81 reads
posted
19 / 29

I have never been a stripper.... way too much work for less money than I make now.  Not to mention I would have a REALLY hard time following the "no touching" rules at most clubs.  

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 79 reads
posted
20 / 29

I just got back from a week long trip with a client to New Orleans!  We hit every club in the French quarter and had a blast.  You might want to go closer to Mardi Gras..... or go with a sexy lady on your arm.   ;)

impposter 49 Reviews 44 reads
posted
21 / 29

Posted By: Smartie
Re: Feminist persoective
Da feminist theory, any form of commercial sex is coercive cuz of financial pressure on women (homeless or broke if no stripping or hooking). Sometim they take it far.
"Gee, I need $X per week to meet expenses. I can earn that working 60 hours per week (20 at Walmart; 20 at Mickey D; 20 cleaning bathrooms at the Fancy Schmancy Hotel) OR I can do that working 1 hour per month on my back at the Fancy Schmancy Hotel. Which shall I choose?"  
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"I would like to have $X per week to spend on houses, boats, cars, jewelry, parties, etc.. To be paid that much, I choose to become CEO of a Fortune 500 Company." That simple CHOICE is beyond the achievable reach of most women AND men.

PhoenixxNOLA See my TER Reviews 62 reads
posted
23 / 29

Don't forget the unbearable smell of Bourbon Street...

JasmineisaRiot See my TER Reviews 86 reads
posted
24 / 29

Mass hysteria about trafficking has existed since forever. Ohmygod the homosexuals, they'll catch your kids and traffic them and turn them gay! The strippers and the sugar babies and the cutesey backpage emojis! Sex trafficking!  

This hysteria is promoted by one and all, conservatives and liberals, and it is laughable at this point because nobody really wants to to parse out the nuance and the details. Because if they do, if they try to have a conversation about decriminalization like sex worker activists have been advocating for DECADES, they're going to be painted as morally bankrupt predators as well. Can't do that for your political campaigns now can you!  

And as for L.E, they were incentivized to ensure the "war of drugs" kept going and they are incentivized to keep "trafficking busts" going. Again, and again, and again, do they arrest people trying to keep a roof over their heads or trying to patronize service providers. Trafficking rings turn out to be people just working with each other due to friendships and a means of looking out for each other.  

If they truly wanted to fight against trafficking, they would pour money into social services. Not cops who give people criminal records and bar them further from getting civvie jobs or safe housing. Oh and they'd also go after big Cali farms where they actually use undocumented migrant labor and keep people in horrible conditions.  

Sex work is easy money? Ha! Try being a cop busting freaking strip clubs.

GaGambler 38 reads
posted
25 / 29

So many that I coined a term for them, BSU.  

 
There are a lot of men who are so used to taking orders from the women in their lives they have simply lost the ability to stand up for themselves even when in a hooker/john dynamic.

 
I disagree with the people who think all the anti prostitution rhetoric is coming from the right as many here seem to believe. I think "soccer moms" are a much bigger enemy of legalized prostitution that the religious right. The typical preacher might give lips service about prostitution being a sin, but who knows, he probably fucks hookers too. But the soccer moms??? Without the "power of the pussy" how could they possibly control their men and anything that takes away the "power of the pussy" takes away their power, so they are vehemently against it.

Charliemurphey 1 Reviews 25 reads
posted
26 / 29

So true, gotta keep them chained  , how else they going to continue to wind  up and kick them in the nuts.

impposter 49 Reviews 38 reads
posted
27 / 29

Posted By: GaGambler
The typical preacher might give lips service about prostitution being a sin, but who knows, he probably fucks hookers too.
The ones who are too moral to steal from the collection plate to pay for hookers often get theirs for free just by "comforting" the flock: stressed wives, confused daughters, ... even sons!

RiverStark See my TER Reviews 23 reads
posted
28 / 29

while I wouldn't disagree that radical feminism can have issue with that assumption, its not representative of feminist ideology at all. Its actually quite the opposite for the majority of 3rd wave feminists.

impposter 49 Reviews 52 reads
posted
29 / 29

What's the take on Camille Paglia these days?  She used to say stuff like, A woman's body is the temple at which men pray. And they bring offerings (bills in the garter; envelopes on the dresser) to the goddesses.  Etc..  ... It is a power trip to be a stripper or other SW.  And you should go for it, if you so desire.

By ignoring the productive tension at the heart of male-female relations, Paglia argues, feminism becomes shallow, censorious, and ineffectual. She was particularly incensed by the anti-pornography crusade of Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon. “Pornography,” she argued in a 1992 article in Playboy, “is a pagan arena of beauty, vitality, and brutality, of the archaic vigor of nature. It should break every rule, offend all morality.”
(How badly have I messed up Paglia's opinions?)

-- Modified on 2/8/2018 8:37:00 PM

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